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No leave them alone Yes arrest those shitheads!
Debate Score:106
Arguments:64
Total Votes:130
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Should sexting between teen couples be illegal?

In case you didn't know sexting means sending naked pictures of yourself to another person.

In America sexting between underage couples is illegal because that is considered child pornography.  

No leave them alone

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Yes arrest those shitheads!

Side Score: 49
7 points

blah,

what are you going to do?

Making it illegal won't stop it, it will just label a bunch of kids texting eachother as pedophiles for the rest of their life.

Is a 14 year old who gets a picture of his 14 year old girlfriend's boobies in a message a child pornographer?

Should they have to divulge that they are a "sexual predator" to every potential employer and never get a job?

Should flyers be handed out in every neighborhood they ever live in saying "this guy (insert their picture) is a convicted sex offender"?

Should they be victims of hate crimes against them by people who don't know why they were labeled a sex offender for the rest of their lives?

All because they had an effing girlfriend when they were 14?

Of course not. It would be dumb. Unfortunately the field of lower education attracts dumb people a lot of the time, and this is what some school administrators are turning it into.

Side: No that would be stupid!
1 point

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Side: No leave them alone
5 points

I honestly don't know why we're making sex and nudity so forbidden in the first place.

It's natural =\

Oh, wait. That's right. We try to avoid that.

Side: No that would be stupid!

Wait why are we hostiles then?

We agree on this

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Side: No leave them alone
1 point

I actually removed you as an enemy after I saw a couple of arguments you made awhile back.

Side: No leave them alone
1 point

You crack me up I gave you an upvote for this comment. So I have to type some more to get the 50 required.

Side: No leave them alone
2 points

Teens will be teens, and will be stupid. Sexual texting shouldn't be illegal, though perhaps showing around picture should be. Like, it would be okay to get a naked picture of your girlfriend, but not okay to forward it to your whole phonebook. Also, I think that someone over twenty-one shouldn't have a photo of someone under eighteen- like they aren't allowed to have sex with someone under eighteen. I think this would prevent it from becoming true child pornography.

Side: No that would be stupid!
2 points

I agree.

Why can we not use common sence? If a 40 year old man has pictures of a naked 16 year old then yes its illegal. If a 16 year old boy has pictures of a 16year old girl who he is dating then this does NOT even fall into the same catagory. I am not saying its right for a 16 year old to send naked pictures of herself to anyone. I am a mother of a 13 year old and I will make her life a living @#$& if I find out she did this.

Children need guidance from their parents about responsible behavior. They need to know what is exspected of them and how bad choices can bring big problems. And if they dont want to listen then we need to let them fail to help them learn to make better ones as they grow older. Its called consiquesnces.

Some people in our society wants to make a law for everything now. Our children wont have to think for themselves by the time they are adults because the governement will have it all layed out for them. We wont need morals or self choice because there will be only one way. There are places the governement does not belong. Rainsing children is the biggest one. They are more and more involved and our children grow more and more disrespectful and defiant.

Side: No that would be stupid!
kamranw(232) Disputed Banned
1 point

If you allow the distribution amongst friends, how do you stop it from getting into a 40 year old's hands? Stop it from the roots. No pictures taken or sent, no predators getting their hands on them.

Side: Yes arrest them!
korgello(1) Disputed
1 point

yes the government should not be involved in this, but fyi most parents are horrible, I am not yet an adult but my mother has a masters degree in special education, her father is a psychoanalyst who gives speeches around the world and has written many books. I myself became interested in the psychology behind child development and read several books on child rearing and the psychology of the developing child. It is SO VERY OBVIOUS how to raise children looking from a psychological stand point. I learned many many useful things from reading developmental psychology books, most of which can be applied to adults as well because most adults learn their coping skills and mannerisms from when they were children. For example, punishing children in any manner is ridiculous. This goes especially for spanking and the like, any form of physical punishment is HORRIBLE and you should be arrested for child abuse. the child will learn to fear the person dealing the punishment and avoid the behavior that was thought to deserve punishment. This does not correct the behavior and many cases when the punishment stops, the child reverts back to the old behavior. talking things out with your children so they understand solves everything. dont wait until someone else explains to them the fundamentals of the world! teach them yourself! by the way, you contradict your self in your argument. you say our children won't have to think for themselves, yet you later say they are becoming more disrespectful and defiant. how is that not thinking for themselves? you should teach your children to be defiant! then they will think for themselves! you should never demand respect for yourself because you are the mother, that is ridiculous, you should do things that cause them to respect you, never force them to "pretend" to respect you, then it is not real respect which in my opinion is not even worth anything. you should always show more respect to your children then they show you. and also dont you realize not everyone has parents? besides bad parenting skills, many parents dont even pay attention or show love to their children so you can not rely on parents for everything. but issues like this, consenting minors should be able to do what they want with each other as long as they both consent. of course if it is between a minor and an adult of a considerable age difference, say 3 years or more age difference then yes, i think the law should be able to govern what is right and wrong

Side: No leave them alone

This is silly. The purpose of outlawing child pornography was to keep children safe from those who would take advantage of them. When two tweens are sexting, are they taking advantage of each other? I think not.

Besides, I think that minors (at a certain age) should be given more control over their bodies. For example, as an aspiring artist/photographer, I take a lot of nude/semi-nude self-portraits that I'm not allowed to show anyone because of my age. Bullshit.

Side: No that would be stupid!

Exactly the adults think they are "protecting" them by making it illegal for them to work in porn.

But what we need protection from is those religious assholes who want to put everybody in prison for their sexual views.

Side: No that would be stupid!
kamranw(232) Disputed Banned
1 point

Do you really think swearing proves your point? They ARE protecting them. A minor must live under different rules that an adult. They have a different maturity level and as someone already pointed out, they are still growing until 21. I would be very curious to see the age of most people arguing this is OK.

Side: Yes arrest them!
1 point

I know we disagree with the religion thing. I disagree with those religious assholes too even though I may be one myself I don't believe in making any laws against it only because it takes away from personal freedom and gives the man that much more control over you. Also glad to finally see that USA waking up and realizes pot is not all that bad and decriminalizing that. Not all believers are hardcore and want to clamp down. It's actually more the Mormons like Orrin Hatch Senator from Utah that guy says if he catches you with one roach he wants to lock you up and throw away the key. i mean that's not religion that's Stalin.

Side: No leave them alone
kamranw(232) Disputed Banned
1 point

It IS child pornography and it IS to protect them. How many people who are dating at 14, are dating a year later? So who is going to stop them from spreading those pics? What do you do when it ends up in the wrong hands?

Side: Yes arrest those shitheads!
1 point

Yeah good work! good job protecting the children by putting them in prison for the rest of their lives & having them labeled as sex offenders.

there are alot of teens who date for years.

Side: No leave them alone
2 points

Okay so would rather teens be out there having sex or sexting?? Sexting is jus anotha way of sex you will find that most teens that invole in sexting dont do anything with their bf/gf accept maybe kiss and feel so why make it illegal gona do it anyway..

Side: No leave them alone
1 point

I no right...... If there goin ta do it anyways.....

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Side: No leave them alone
1 point

Sexting is actually just written phonesex.

The sending of photos does not have to occur concurrently.

So, no, sexting itself should not be illegal. But child pornography is illegal.

Side: No that would be stupid!
1 point

The laws of child pornography were created to protect children from adult predators or children being used for profit because as we all know pornography is a very profitable business not to keep them from the natural want to see people there age that there attracted to naked and technology has allowed teens to meet people who don't live near and they can't really do anything with them this is why sexting has sprung up I mean at 16 they can legally have sex but they can send a picture of themselves naked consensually? I think it's absurd that they'd be labled as sex offenders and felons for it

while I think it's right when they send these private pictures to other people with out permission from the person it's off but in a consensual manner how is it wrong?

Side: No leave them alone

no because what if the teen is in a really good relation ship and they did not want to take it to far. wat about child preaditor goin ton their record that is not cool. i say let their parents handle it and if that cant be then they shold not be a parent.

Side: No leave them alone
1 point

It is there choice if they want to do it let them and nif something goes wrong its there fault and they don't need to cry about it........

Side: No leave them alone

Some states are changing laws to "lessen" the charges? What? Topless pics are NOT a crime, nudity is not the same as sex. Too many people wrongfully conflate the two and nude pics are completely legal at any age. Unfortunately even those that should know better wrongfully conflate the two and teens end up getting wrongfully charged with a crime (and sometimes convicted). The problem is the way the laws are written, it leaves too much open to individual interruption Don't believe me that nude pics at any age are legal? Look up Jock Sturges, David Hamilton, or many other famous nude photographers. You can buy their books legally because sexual images and nude images are two different things.

Also, even if it the pics are sexual, so what? Half of teens have sex before they graduate high school (and that is a conservative estimate). Many states have consent set at 16 years old but if you take a pic you can be charged with a crime, how can this possibly make sense to anyone? Criminalizing teens in order to "protect" them, isn't protecting them, it's harming them for life! Leave your moral argument about sex before marriage out of this, and teens shouldn't have sex out of this... Just as you had a right to decide that issue for yourself, so do they, not you. Yes, teens do need to be educated on disease and pregnancy (and in my opinion have free access to healthcare professionals, as well as condoms).

Also, the argument some make, that if the pics get out they embarrass the teens and leave them open for bullying is inherently illogical. It puts the power in the bullies hands and subjugates everyone else. The issue isn't solved by discouraging innate human sexuality, but rather empowering teens to make their own decisions and be proud of their bodies. The power to embarrass someone isn't in a picture, it's in the way society (and the individual) react to it.

Side: No leave them alone
-1 points

i think it's sick. But as sick as it may be it's still 1st ammendment rights. Last thing you want is government to make a law against it telling you can't take pictures of yourself naked it's your own right if you want to. Once they do that then what else you don't want to give big brother anymore control than you have to.

Side: No leave them alone
kamranw(232) Disputed Banned
3 points

Taking the pic is not the illegal part. It is passing it on to someone else that is illegal underage.

Side: Yes arrest those shitheads!
Denise360(10) Disputed
2 points

But in most teen relationships there is a age difference weather it be younger or older..

Side: No leave them alone
1 point

If both are teens and are close in age there is no crime. Yes if it somehow gets passed on to an adult that would be a problem and how and why an adult has it would be investigated to pursue criminal charges i agree but just for the argument sake the debate it purely only relating to teens so to the debate issue no laws should be made for sexting.

Side: Yes arrest those shitheads!
starbaby1996(65) Disputed
2 points

how is it sick doing sexting sex is a way of life. there will be nobody on earth if there wasnt sex

Side: No leave them alone
3 points

It technically is child pornography. If they need to see each other naked that badly, why the hell can't they just do it in person? It's a lot more fun that way anyway, or so I've heard. (still a virgin. :D)

Side: Yes that is child pornography!
1 point

Really! I mean, is it really all that difficult to be erotic in person?

Side: Yes arrest those shitheads!
1 point

Well if they were erotic in person that is still illegal because they are under the age of consent.

So either way they will go to prison & be labeled as sex offenders.

Side: No leave them alone
KatieMarie(288) Disputed
1 point

mayb there parents dont agree with their relationship, so they have to sneak around

Side: No leave them alone
MKIced(2511) Disputed
1 point

Well then their parents disagree with them! It's not that bad to wait for a year or two.

Side: Yes arrest those shitheads!
-1 points

Who cares if it is still child pornography?! but why should it be illegal? its their phones

What if they can't meet each other in person?

Side: No that would be stupid!
MKIced(2511) Disputed
2 points

I wish it could just be on their phones, but teenagers are stupid- I would know. I just graduated from high school. It becomes child porn as soon as anybody else looks at it, especially above 18. I had a friend who was sent a naked pic and he took out his phone in the lab and showed me! I mean, it was a nice picture and all, but I could see even better online. And if they can't meet each other in person then they should just wait. I know teenagers are horny as hell, but that's why God invented masturbation- and then the silly Christians (I'm a non-silly Christian) decided it was "wrong". ;)

Side: Yes that is child pornography!

Depending on the age it would be considered child pornograpy but I would hope that they would keep it right there instead of meeting. If they meet then we have the issue of child molestation on one end, if not both. I also know teens are horny but that doesn't make it right that they distribute photos of themselves to anyone. God only knows where those pictures might end up and in whose mailbox!

Side: Yes that is child pornography!
1 point

What if they are 14 or 16 & they can't meet each other in person?

Do they really deserve to be put in kid prison just for that?

They didn't intentionally do anything wrong.

Side: No that would be stupid!
2 points

If a 14 and 16 year old don't know it's wrong to send nude photographs to each other I'd really hate to meet their parents. They should have been taught that it's wrong because it is child pornography, even if it is two underaged people who think they're "in love." Do you think the excuse that they're innocent of any intentional wrong doing is going to fly when and if they're parents find out what they've done?

Side: Yes that is child pornography!
kamranw(232) Disputed Banned
1 point

They did intentionally do something wrong. They sent a nude pic underage! Also, nobody here wants to put them in prison.

Side: Yes arrest those shitheads!
kamranw(232) Banned
0 points

If they are sending pictures, it IS child pornography. Besides, how can you control those pictures from ending up in some freaks hands?

Side: Yes that is child pornography!
3 points

Who cares if it is technically child pornography?

It's their phone. Just leave them alone!

If it ends up in some freaks hands well anything can end up in their hands.

Just go after those freaks. Not the innocent children.

You are the same fascist so I'm not surprised you want every sinner to get arrested.

Side: No leave them alone
kamranw(232) Disputed Banned
1 point

"Just go after those freaks. Not the innocent children."

HAHAHA. So innocent people should have no accountability for their own actions? If THEY take the picture, and it ends up in some pedo's hands, this is in no way their fault? No wonder the youth today are so useless.

Secondly, if their just 'innocent children' as you call them, what business do they have taking such photos?

Side: Yes arrest them!