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Equity Equality
Debate Score:17
Arguments:25
Total Votes:18
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Should society’s goal be equity or equality?

Argue for whatever is your interpretation.

Equity

Side Score: 11
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Equality

Side Score: 6
2 points

Soxciety's goal should be to not destroy itself through war and and money grubbing and mindless stupidity.

Side: Equity
Dermot(5499) Disputed
1 point

Soxciety’s goal should be to not destroy itself through war and and money grubbing and mindless stupidity.

Well if this new Utopian society you envisage comes to fruition your genetic stupidity would rule you out from partaking in it’s no doubt numerous pleasures , maybe learning to spell might be a noble goal to start your new society off with ?

Side: Equality
2 points

All men are NOT created equal. Some are smarter than others - BUT most important is the great difference in MOTIVATION!!!!

So, we should always allow some to achieve more. But we also have a responsibility to meet MOST people s basic needs.

This is the GOOD part of National Socialist. The NS recognized competition and individual achievement. But medical care is better handled with group participation for example.

You have got to understand that the Judeao/Xtian brainwash is evil because it supports “unbridled capitalism “ and “debt cycles”. Communism stifles the over achiever and makes everyone the same. The sweet spot is in between.

It’s hard for people poisoned by Abrahamic philosophy but very easy for Pagans to grip. It’s the Duality of Nature. It’s evolutionary.

Side: Equity
2 points

Totally agree Slavedevice. People have no idea what the Nazi party really stood for. You summed up national socialism perfectly.

Side: Equity

There's philosophically no two things that are equal. It's a myth. It also denies science. When liberals use a term they mean the opposite.

When libs say antifascist, it's actually fascist.

When they say black lives matter, they shun non liberal blacks because blm actually means lib lives matter.

When they say social justice, they mean the majority group gets no justice.

And when they say equality, they mean more equal than non liberals.

It's an Orwellian groupthink cult based on hive mind and deception.

Side: Equity
1 point

Humans have goals , society serves as a means to those ends but the society itself does not seek to do anything

To me either way the main goal of a society should be , personal security, property security and job security

Side: Equity
Amarel(3619) Clarified
0 points

Your first paragraph seems to say that society has no goals while your second paragraph says those goals are forms of security.

Side: Equity
Dermot(5499) Clarified
1 point

My first paragraph is clear as in individuals have goals which is correct , my second paragraph is me playing along

Side: Equity
Amarel(3619) Clarified
0 points

Humans have goals , society serves as a means to those ends but the society itself does not seek to do anything

Yes humans do have goals, and no there is no entity called society that has its own independent goals. But as humans with goals, we occasionally work with others who share common goals. Also on occasion we get together in large groups of loose association because of the mutual benefit derived from a large number of humans with shared values and goals. Sometimes those large groups of people formalize their values and standardize acceptable responses to breaches of those values in what we now call government. Another way to put what I’ve described is society’s goals and means. Society is real, though there is no such entity as society. Groups of people have common values. Society has goals.

Side: Equity
Dermot(5499) Clarified
1 point

Yes humans do have goals, and no there is no entity called society that has its own independent goals

Yes

. But as humans with goals, we occasionally work with others who share common goals.

Yes

Also on occasion we get together in large groups of loose association because of the mutual benefit derived from a large number of humans with shared values and goals. Sometimes those large groups of people formalize their values and standardize acceptable responses to breaches of those values in what we now call government.

Yes

Another way to put what I’ve described is society’s goals and means.

I disagree , another way to put it is parts of ” society “ agree and disagree the dominant political party / group will “ dictate “ what their accepted goals and values are

Society is real,

Society as in diffferent groups with different agendas is real

though there is no such entity as society

. Groups of people have common values.

Yes common values and goals

Society has goals.

Groups of people within what’s termed society have goals , as in members of community

Side: Equity
1 point

Only when all are the police and government can sustainable anarchy and freedom be achieved.

Side: Equality
Amarel(3619) Clarified
0 points

Being the police and the government would take up so much time, leaving no time for anything else, and making my new found freedom as police/government a hollow victory. I would much rather outsource the job to those I trust in order to actually have the time to be free.

Side: Equity
Mingiwuwu(913) Disputed
1 point

Do you not trust yourself more than the others? In my system trust osnt required.

Side: Equality
0 points

Equality before the law is the only equality that matters.

The right likes to say that they seek equality of opportunity while the left seeks equality of outcomes (equity). The left then retorts that where there is enequity, it is due to unequal opportunity. Thus, where the right believed equal opportunity already exists, the left points to outcomes in order to further involve the government in seeking “opportunity”. Both are wrong. Both end up dealing in equity.

No one can have the same opportunities as anyone else since we all have unique genes and circumstances. It follows that no one can have equal outcomes as anyone else. Not only can we not have these things, but we do not actually want these things. We shouldn’t even aim for these things. All attempts to bring equality of opportunity or outcome creates tyranny and oppression. Actual success would be a bland world devoid of the diversities of life, devoid of values, devoid of meaning. This false goal is only accepted on the false maxim that the ends justify the means. Equality in the popular sense from the right and the left are both treacherous misconceptions.

Equality before the law is an appropriate and approximately achievable goal whose means are it’s ends and neither leads to tyranny, but rather promotes justice and public trust. Equality before the law is the only kind of equality that matters in society.

Side: Equality
Dermot(5499) Clarified
1 point

Equality before the law is an appropriate and approximately achievable goal

How is it achievable?

Side: Equity
Amarel(3619) Clarified
1 point

Approximately achievable. While opportunity and outcome are difficult to measure, treatment can be codified by law and policy in the form of due process. It cannot be fully achieved as it is a human system. While variation in treatment will occur between legal actors and within the same actor naturally, laws and standards can minimize the problem without oppressing anyone. In other words, we have laws to help insure judges (for example) treat people equally with regards to the law. This is not oppressive, but liberating. It is desirable. It isn’t perfect, but we can get much closer than other ideas of equality.

Side: Equity