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Should the confederate flag be considered anti-American?

Is the confederate flag an anti-American symbol? 

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Side Score: 4
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Side Score: 13
2 points

Hello A:

Well, it WAS carried by an enemy.. You don't get much more anti American than that...

excon

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Well then Democrats are your enemy because they were carrying the Battle Flag !

Side: Yes
2 points

The Confederates wanted to take part of America and go their own way. That is TREASON. They lived under OUR Constitution, most had, I'm sure, pledged their allegiance to it at some time or other. They changed their mind, the Constitution DIDN'T change, the borders UNDER the Constitution didn't change! The raising of another flag, another Constitution, another President within those borders can be called NOTHING but traitorous. Anti-American! It should be kept as a reminder of a historical mistake IN MUSEUMS. It should NOT be allowed to wave in America's air.

Side: Yes
Axiomatic(3) Disputed
1 point

The founding fathers wanted to take part of what was currently Great Britain in 1776 and go their own way as well. By this logic, the USA is by nature a treasonous country, because it took part of another country and split away.

Side: No
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

Yeah, I agree, but, the UK simply laid claim to a land where people had FLED the UK. We planted a flag on the moon, doesn't mean we OWN it. We were HERE, we were making a country. The King just wanted the same land WE wanted. After all, the Italians, the Vikings, the French, the Spanish ALL wanted the new land, ...we HAD it. "Ownership" wasn't really decided yet, it was under dispute. We decided to make it OURS. Possession being 9/10ths of the law, as it were. The United States of America was a reality, an established country, when the Confederates tried to steal half of it, .... different situation.

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

AL i must say that anyone today that displays a Rebel Flag should be shot for Treason and the companies that manufacture any of those so Hated Flags that were carried by the Democrats be imprisoned for being traitorous.

Side: Yes
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

Well, that won't do any good because none of them were carried by Democrats. I agree with the rest of your statement. Democrats are the ones wanting to take down the Confederate statues ... why would they carry the flags?? The rest of the conservative world is glorifying the Confederacy, you know, "rednecksn'such". You see them on their pickups, their underwear ... when they're in the "pants-on-the-ground" mode, their T-shirts, etc. DEFINATELY NOT Democrats. Have you had your eyes checked lately? I had Lasik Surgery, made a hell of a difference!

Side: Yes
4 points

No, it's part of our heritage and should be respected as a relic of the misguided, but genuinely held mindset of our Southern kith and kin of a bygone, and long-gone era.

The Stars & Stripes is the proud flag of the United States of America but as an interrogated nation with a common purpose and shared values we should not object for reasons of sanctimonious political grandstanding, to the harmless fluttering of the confederate flag on appropriate occasions.

Side: No
2 points

You know Antrim i was thinking and that can get dangerous at times but since all those horrible statues that need to be removed the Left has forgotten to destroy The United Daughters of the Confederacy, also known as the UDC, is a hereditary association of Southern women established in 1894. Might you think the Loony Left has missed something. lol

Side: No
Antrim(1287) Clarified
3 points

Hi Outlaw, I just read up on the principles and well balanced aims of 'The United Daughters of the Confederacy' and was surprised to note that part of the content of their declaration contained some text with which I concur and almost included in my original post.

Many 10s of 1000s of brave young men from both sides of the civil war's bloody carnage lost their lives and their sacrifice should be remembered and honoured equally.

There is no place for a 'hierarchy of remembrance of the fallen nor the self destructive indulgence of driving divisions between sections of our nation for reasons of sanctimonious self gratification.

The loony left the world over bring nothing but strife and civil unrest with their self righteous, judgemental hate speeches of events of a bygone era.

At this time of so many external threats we need all the peoples our nation to unite and that recognise that our enemies lie beyond these borders.

The rabble rousing of the LOONY LEFT INSURGENTS is nothing less than ANTI AMERICAN, BACKSTABBING TREACHERY

God bless the Union, God bless the Confederacy and ''GOD BLESS AMERICA''.

Side: Yes
3 points

Why should it be it was a Battle Flag carried by the South in a time of war but as the history has been twisted by American Left the mind numbed minions of the Left view it as Hate. Wasn't it the Democrats in the South that were carrying the Battle Flag they are so opposed to now ?

Side: No
2 points

There is a big problem with using the word should in this context. Saying the Confederate flag should be considered to be anti-American is like saying the Jolly Roger should be interpreted as anti-American. They are both parts of our history, and they both spring from roots of independence and courage, tempered by a generous portion of ignobility in the American character.

There is nothing more American than mixing our virtues with our faults, moving on afterwards, learning to be better, and then redefining ourselves.

This brings up the fact that countries use flags as symbols because they are unspecific in their meanings. They mean the country, not a particular part of the country, not a particular event in the country's history, not a particular segment of the country's population. What national characteristics a flag symbolizes is mutable, and changes as the country changes. The same applies to the "Confederate" flag. In a sense, that makes this particular flag particularly American.

Actually, it was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. It did not originally represent the Confederate States of America. Then for a while it did (long after the war). Now, for a huge number of people it represents variously Southern pride (not necessarily White Southern pride), courage, rebelliousness, rural working class culture, racism, or any combination of the bunch, depending on who you are.

None of those things are actually anti-American, regardless of whether or not we are proud of them all.

I currently live in the South, I am from the American West, so I have no personal investment or deep-rooted feelings about this issue.

What I do have a personal investment in is people not insisting their own narrow interpretation of a vague symbol, and then putting each other in little boxes based on it.

Side: No
1 point

Ironically, the Confederate States represent the views of the founding fathers most accurately. The existence of modern America, effectively, was built on the notion of self-governance and the ability to live in a state that represented your concerns and values. By this, I'm referring to the, 'No Taxation Without Representation.' argument. The CSA embodied those values by rejecting an anti-slavery consensus in the North it did not agree with, and the rule of a leader it considered illegitimate. It's almost identical to the Thirteen Colonies and their war for independence in the 18th century. Moreover, the founding fathers were all known to keep slaves, and I'm fairly sure one of the founding fathers may have engaged in an affair with his slave. They clearly believed that Afro-Americans were subhuman, and probably wished the constitution to be interpreted in this light. Whilst I disagree with the core principles of the CSA, which were the continuation of slavery and discrimination against Black Americans, I can't help but see the parallels to the founding of America in their failed struggle for independence, and so I'd say, whether good or bad, the Confederates were not anti-american, but rather embodied the values that the nation had been founded on in the previous century.

Side: No