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Should the government to abolish religion in country to defend from terrorism?
Nowadays many terroristic acts are connected with religion, mainly with Islam, and extremists prefer to organize their bases, "strongholds" in mosques. Knowing that religion has very big influence on people, they "put" Islamism ideology in people heads. Extremists used by non-fixed mind of children and create new supporters. But, as people think, religion has no link with extremism and religion is just intrument of extremists. Proceeding these opinions, what can we say? Is religion is bad or not? and main question: Should the government to abolish religion in country to defend from terrorism? In my opinion, we should limit religion, because it starts to get more and more power in government.
We have no power to fight against cunning of extremists and we just have to forbid religion to defend from problems as civil war in Syria, Algeria, Mali
You keep saying limit, then you say abolish. Make up your mind.
As for limiting it, how would you limit it? Would you prevent worship outside of the home or something?
The example you keep using is that if we limit, or abolish it, that people will stop fighting over it.
That is almost synonymous with Gang activity.
Gangs are illegal, if you're in one, or found to be participating in or with one, you will be arrested, yet that hasn't stopped gang activity.
In regards to making religion illegal after once not being messed with, they will simply strike back harder in response to their worship being banned. Like the gang Ms13 did in El Salvador.
To add to what another debater had said, they are an example of extremists that have nothing to do with religion.
We should abolish religion as tool of extremists to getting power. If we do it, we will can prevent it. Nowadays Islamists tried to come to Parliament of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. In Uzbekistan, there is nervous situation yet. Countries tried to fix situation and to limit religious organizations, but it did not make sense. Because of that, the governments should to abolish religion. If we abolish religion:
1) People will stop conflict because of religion.
2) Extremists will lose their main tool of getting recruits.
3) The government will get opportunity to destroy illegal religious sects.
Gangs are illegal, they still have arguments based off of their gang disputes.
2) Extremists will lose their main tool of getting recruits.
You, in another argument, even agreed that extremists are not solely of religion. Thus the preventing of religion won't actually fix any problem of extremists, it will just lead them to a new outlet.
3) The government will get opportunity to destroy illegal religious sects.
The government already has the ability to do that. If a religion is doing things that are constitutionally illegal, such as killing, sacrificing anything living, even something as simple as smoking weed, the government can shut it down. So banning religion won't have any affect on the sects that are already illegal.
Think about this in regards to making something illegal, that has always been socially acceptable.
All of the people that would be made as social pariahs because they decide to follow their religion underground.
All of the people who choose not to follow this rule, and would feel that their constitutional rights are being suppressed and would retaliate.
All of the people who use religion as a means to quitting bad habits like drinking, smoking, etc.
Also, how can you even ban religion? It's an idea, that people will always have thoughts about. You can't very well ban their thoughts. Will it be illegal to worship in public, will it be illegal to say god fearing phrases like "God help me" or "God give me strength"?
So long as people have their ideas they will always be able to exact their extremism out of their thoughts.
If we see the root of these problems so we will see that religion was not the main thing which rule these people. The main root of evil is their ruler which want to have more power. But not religion. Religion is a a way of helping people to be confident and believe in miracle.
If religion fanatics intervene in govern affairs, they cannot be seemed victims. It means attack. This action means that, religion want to control the government.
Terrorists are very clever people, because they could to force some territory of country. I do not think that they are stupid. Stupid people cannot be terrorist, because it demands some brains))
The US blamed Islam in terrorism, but main terrorism in Asia and Africa. How Islamists can defend from US, if they attack Asian and African countries? About Christians: they form their sects, create secret religious organizations and with their actions, they get more recruits than Islamists. Christian sects are very weakly connected with Christianism, but they rely on it. These sects are strongly linked with criminal and terrorism. In Russian, there are very many christian sects and they create conflicts between religious people. Because of that, now, Russian Government started to arrest religious offender, but it does not bring help.
By making it illegal you will put most of it's worshipers into illegality which in most of cases will result into cancelling visa or refugee status (deportation) for most middle eastern immigrants.
They refuse to work or learn English so who will actually miss them?
I cannot understand people who are against Islam when they do not know who are they and why they have strong belief . Why are you against when you do not have enough knowledge about them . Don't you think when you hurt Muslims saying bad about them , you are hurting cruel ones and wisest ones . Everywhere and always rude people have been existing since ancient times . Do you know that only 100 Muslim people from 20 million Muslim people are cruel . One Christian people said "I am very sorry for I was humiliating them . Now , I am Muslim ,cause I realized who are they and what their religion is ."
40% of young British Muslim men (mainly university students) want Sharia in the UK, they also do back killing for Islam and think that death penalty is OK for apostasy... these are educated but, between the completely illiterate Muslim majority those number will be much higher.
Do you know that only 100 Muslim people from 20 million Muslim people are cruel --- is completely bullshit in real word scenario are 60%+ cruel primitives.
You should also check Google for "Sweden’s Muslim rape wave" 96% of rapes done in Scandinavia has been done by Arab Muslim immigrants.
It's a fucked up religion, followers are illiterate freaks unable to build functional society.
You base all your islamaphobic views on a minority of Muslims that you shared a house with and your point that 40% of young Muslim men wanting Sharia law sounds like a "survey" that the Daily Mail did which is unreliable to say the least.
I have met many Muslims and the majority of them have been no different from any other law abiding person.
Nice try, research done by ICM for The Telegraph, I'm a foreign student in the UK, living in house share for couple of years with except one Polish guy only with fucks from Middle East and yes.. that research is very accurate.
survey done on 600 university students that claimed that they are Muslim, questioning has been done by random people for £6.75/h, different places different people... I don't think so that all of them made the results up...
Freaks I live with are smiling & easygoing dudes (outside the house)...but you cannot imagine how fucked up they are when nobody looks...
You may check it out for you own... just rent a room in some haji town... for a month ...just to check out how awesome they are when they get home :D
Yeah , you are right ! If abolish Islam or other religion , the situation will be worse . The new extremists can be created . The more violence and rape can be revealed . So , people do not play with fire .
"Yeah , you are right ! If abolish Islam or other religion , the situation will be worse . The new extremists can be created . The more violence and rape can be revealed . So , people do not play with fire ."
In other words lets give up democracy and freedom of speech in flavor of Islam or some other random psycho cult?
You are so weak-minded . Democracy will not exist if you forbid religion . Is it difficult to think ? In addition , democracy have never exist , men ! But , it is another topic .
policy of Islam is convert or die, also followed by banning schools, music and human rights. I don't want it around me or my children, nobody does. So what?
Again , it is . You are wrong .Why do you say it if you do not know what is Islam . Do not think so ! Because Muslims very kind and wise people . Their religion teaches to be kind and able to forgive . You are talking about rude ones . Who do unbearable things . Muslims do not think them as Muslims , because Islam do not teach us to do cruel things . Your and majority people's problem is lack of knowledge . What is more notable or what does mass-media show us ? Of course , they show us strange , hot events . They do not want to show usual things . Do you really think that mass-media will say about what kind things Muslims are doing ?
If abolish religion, extremists will lose source of supporters, place where they can recruit new people. New non-religion extremists cannot appear when religion extremists act. We will destroy these extremists and when new extremists start to create something, we will be finished to it.
Please read more , I am fed-up about your lack of knowledge . At first , find out who are religious extremists . Then , find information how they recruit new extremists .
Why only Islam is the most danerous religion, What about chrisitan movements and sects, which are making more craziest things than arabian people. They are also danger of people in the world. Or what about people in the whole world which are not muslim, they are making crazy things, they are killing people in in honor of god. I think we need to abolish any sections but not abolish religion. Religion is part of our life, of our history.
Islam in Arabic means submission to God, so by that defenition, anyone who claims a male god is a Muslim and must be persecuted by the government. That is complete bullshit.
That sounds racist. Arabic is a beautiful language and Arabs have made many contributions towards society as a whole. We are all one human race. Deal with it.
True Islam is not about Nazism. One of my best friends is a Muslim born and raised in Iraq and now a naturalized American citizen who voted libertarian. That is a Hell of a lot better than conservative fascism, or wishy washy centrism. It was that MUSLIM who taught me to trust God after 9/11, and if you make a terrorist joke, Ima go apeshit. One tolerant liberal Jew signing off.
Islam laws(ORIGINAL LAWS) are very similar to Nazism, are very cruel. For example, to pour 60 pails on, woman who betrayed her husband. Or cut hand, if people steal. Yes, it is practiced in China, but it is radical methods. I want to say that Islamic laws are more and more cruel.
You are wrong. Islam is no worse than Christianity. Christianity is the worst religion ever. They are hypocrites, and they have killed more than all of the religions combined.
Actually agree. Arabian culture is very beautiful and great. But guys we are avoiding the topic. We need to talk how to reject terroristic acts but not to reject religion or criticise arabian world and their language.
You do not want hear bad things about religion. You do not want to listen anyone. We just tried to show you that religious people are not guaranteed good people.
I actually can and do hear bad things about religion, Hell, I say that shit myself, pun intended. I just support the right of the people to choose their beliefs. I am very prochoice about many things.
One more thing , If abolish Islam or other religion , the situation will be worse . The new extremists can be created . The more violence and rape can be revealed . So , people do not play with fire .
Extremists almost DO NOT RAPE anybody, but they can kill many people. What about new extremists: we should destroy these extremists, when new extremists appear - we will be prepared
You are welcome . DO this ! Destroy extremists , but no abolishment of religion .
Also , your knowledge about world is very weak . At first , improve your knowledge before giving arguments . Rapeness was in Afghanistan . Read a book Khaled Hosseini "the thousand splendid suns" . You can realize that muslims were suffering from Talibans and Mujahideens . Thanks
The people tryna ban religion right now I.e. those people
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Are extremists, look at the actions they take to ensure their side is winning, by voting up all their obviously ridiculous, groundless arguments, and downvoting all the comments that talk about any proof of how extremism does't directly relate to religion.
Sorry you can't respond, but I agree with you. I think they are in some kind of alliance to keep their side up for some reason. It's pretty funny actually since we don't get anything for downvoting, and we don't really get anyhting for winning.
Peaceful actions are very calm and quiet. People who develop peaceful ideology of religion should be more energetic, it would be good. But, there are very few such people. Extremists act very actively and get need things. Because of that religion more harms than helps.
I hope you have read my first comment (arguments) . I said that real dangerous are sects ... . I gave solutions ,examples , reasons and results . So that , do not be naive and ridiculous . Do not repeat your the same arguments which are destroyed . THANKS . Read the comments attentively several times .
Banning religion would be a form of terrorism and against the bill of rights.
Outlawing religion would certainly not decrease extremist religious acts. People would most likely see the violation of their religious freedom as a reason to act out more, almost like protesting, yet some people would take it further.
It is the same. For example, in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and other middle Asian countries, Islam started to intervene in affairs of government. It can lead to become religious government type. If we limit religion and solve only some official agencies, we will notice better the extremism propagation.
For example, in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and other middle Asian countries, Islam started to intervene in affairs of government.
These are places where they have Islam as their main religion, and let it control their government. So in that case, they could not or would not want to abolish religion because that's how they choose to run their society. Which I also think is a bad idea from the get go.
It can lead to become religious government type.
Religion isn't like some gas that seeps into a room corrupting everything it touches. It's the ideas, of people. The government will be religious if the people in charge want it to be.
If we limit religion and solve only some official agencies, we will notice better the extremism propagation.
You don't get it. The extremism isn't springing from the religion. There are religious people who live perfectly complacent lives. It's stemming from the extremists. If religion was limited (by which I don't understand your meaning) extremists would take that as a reason to act, out of defiance of the new law.
If no religious people became extremists and the next generation came along into a world where there was no religion, the new generation of extremists would be extreme about something else.
To back up my thoughts there's the political extremists. The type of people that go and blow up abortion clinics to protest their right.
You also have naturally extreme people that just go and shoot up schools or use pipe bombs, like the kids who get bullied and turn into psychopaths.
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As for limiting it, how would that happen? I don't think I understand.
You said that Islam as main religion in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan should control people. You words are heard as fanatical idea. Religion started to intervene in govern affairs, not government in religion affairs. The government just defends from religion. Religious fanatics were first to "defend rights" and they "just were need" to attack civilians. What can you say about it?
You said that Islam as main religion in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan should control people
I did not. I said if the governments in those places want to be religious then they will be, thus they won't find a reason to ban religion.
As for America banning religion in those places just because they let it intervene in their government, why would we want to? Or better yet, what would give us the right.
You words are heard as fanatical idea.
What words?
Religion started to intervene in govern affairs, not government in religion affairs.
The government is comprised of the people native to that area. The religion didn't just come in. The religion was always of the people there, and they decided to let it play a part in their government rulings, so they would not want to ban it, because they chose to allow it.
Religious fanatics were first to "defend rights" and they "just were need" to attack civilians.What can you say about it?
You are absolutely right ! IF opponents want to obviate the extremists , please do it . But do not always link the extremists with religion . Breivik who killed children in Holland is not religious person . He is extremists. He is atheist like our opponents , therefore , especially we should abolish atheists . They become more and more crazy .
P.S. Please find out what is Islam and other religion is ,before disputing . People do mistakes , because they do not know what is right . Opponents do not even know what is Islam and how , when it was found . Also , opponents do not know why Muslims' belief more stronger then other people's beliefs .
Guy , you went to another topic . You want to abolish Islam , but your topic is about limitation religion . You cannot dispute properly . So , do not change topic .
Secondly , you began to say about limitation , but you was pro cancellation .
You said that I cannot dispute properly, but you give the same arguments: you repeat and repeat them. When I started to talk you about another information, you had blamed me
Your "fighters for freedom" were first to attack the government, they just want to get more power over countries. This situation about defense of rights can be looked from different sides: maybe the government is victim and religion want destroy rights of real government.
I am not fascist, I am nor against religion. I am against terrorism. If we abolish religion (for time), we will can destroy terrorists. After that, we will allow it. It is just way to fight against terrorists
You want to take away my right to freedom of religion. How can I not take that personally? I would defend to the death the right for you to believe as you wish. I deserve at least some passing respect for that.
I think, people can have belief, but they do not need use religion as instrument... To believe in religion, for you, is forming big organization of people? People can believe in God, in their houses. They do not must use religion as weapon, I think so.
Nobody forbid freedom of speech. Why do you go to another topic? Abolish religion for time does not mean destroying all rights of people. You just blame me, without understanding what I say.
Why all of you repeat your words about right of belief and you do not think our words? These mans think that terrorism will lose their guns and we will crash them!
Official religions like Islam , Buddha and Christianity are not evil . But sects and religion that was separated from official stream of religion are EVIL !!! We should ban them !
1) First of all , PlEASE keep an attention , the official religions teach only right and kind things like being wise and kind , to help weak people and etc .
1. We should not blame them for cruelty . Why do not you understand that religions like Islam , Buddha and Christianity teach only kind things . They just want to make people more kind and happy ,giving them hope and showing them what to do is right and what to do is not right .
2) Secondly , Sects and religions ,separated from main streams , are evil . These kind of religion should be convicted. Because crazy people or people who understood the defined religion in other way can create chaos , misunderstanding , violence and fanaticism .
1. FOR EXAMPLE , actually , we are talking about Muslim terrorists ! People of other religion do not know that real Muslims are not Muslims as terrorists , due to their absolutely cruel movements . Do You know that Muslim terrorists and extremists kill other Muslims for the sake of their purpose ? Why should we call them Muslims ? Their , terrorists' , way of thinking differs from real Muslims . THerefore we should not blame ISLAM AND MUSLIMS . WE only should ban the other streams .
2. ALSO , there is another thing . Rich people and developed countries can use religions like an excuse and justifications . The uprisings in SYRIA , LYBIA were not only made by religious extremists . The Muslim extremists were sponsored and financed by developed countries in order to intervene and grab the fossil fuels . They just suggest Muslim extremists a power and authority .
3) WE CAN solve the problem of bad and cruel stream of religions creating a law that allows to exist only main ,official religions like Islam , Buddha, Christianity . The law should be strict . FOR example , the country Kazakhstan and Singapore in ASIA control the religions by this way . A lot of diverse religious people live with balance without conflicts . Because , the government strive to control the religions . BUT , after all , the force from outside of the country tries to interfere .
LET"S ban bad and other not main flow of religions . Because they are reasons of violances .
Yes, but religions are divided on parts and we cannot define the main part of religion. They have many different ways. We cannot say that all of them is evil, but we should limit influence of religion to politics. How it can be connected with politics? I think religions have peaceful ideas and they have not idea that power must be of religion people.
We and government can differ and forbid the sects and other non-official streams of religions . HOW ?
1) First of all , why cannot we differ the sects from original religions ? It is easy. Actually , your argument is so silly . I think you are little young guy . So , it is not a problem . Government and we can differ using original literatures like KORAN , BIBLE . So , the original religions have their own literature which are well-known in the world for Muslim countries and scientists of religions . Do not worry scientists are proved as scientists , because being scientist of religion and other science is very responsible and valuable thing . So that , scientists are able to separate the main stream with another streams .
2) Secondly ,as I noted earlier , we should create laws like Kazakhstan , Singapore . According to their law , every worship in those countries should register and give reports of their works and activities . Especially , the worships are being checked very often by members of government . This way of control is real and works . According to the statistics ," 27 non-official streams of religions were closed and prohibited"(2011) .
3) Thirdly , every country should develop and make strong its boarder . Because the stream of sects are trying to interfere from the outside of the country . So Let's do it :)
We and government can differ and forbid the sects and other non-official streams of religions . HOW ?
1) First of all , why cannot we differ the sects from original religions ? It is easy. Actually , your argument is so silly . I think you are little young guy . So , it is not a problem . Government and we can differ using original literatures like KORAN , BIBLE . So , the original religions have their own literature which are well-known in the world for Muslim countries and scientists of religions . Do not worry scientists are proved as scientists , because being scientist of religion and other science is very responsible and valuable thing . So that , scientists are able to separate the main stream with another streams .
2) Secondly ,as I noted earlier , we should create laws like Kazakhstan , Singapore . According to their law , every worship in those countries should register and give reports of their works and activities . Especially , the worships are being checked very often by members of government . This way of control is real and works . According to the statistics ," 27 non-official streams of religions were closed and prohibited"(2011) .
3) Thirdly , every country should develop and make strong its boarder . Because the stream of sects are trying to interfere from the outside of the country . So Let's do it :)
As people said, we CANNOT know everything, we cannot say that "this line of religion is main". It can be wrong. About second: it is good, but it is not enough. We should make more. The third: borders are not problem for extremists, because main weapon is saved in their heads. Extremists will move freely from one country to another and we cannot know their faces
OMG ! Develop and explain why we cannot define the true way . What you wrote are not arguments , MEN ! THey are so weak ! Develop them ! Why we should explain it to you ?
Secondly , I am very astonished . Why are you still saying that we cannot define the real book while Islam has Koran ? Do you know that all Islam countries and cultures have the same Koran because Koran is one . Also , Islam was defined and written by last prophet Muhammad , therefore we can know what is official . There is just a problem with extremists who want to change the way of Islam ! Also , some of them did not understand the literature properly .
How can you define true way? Why do choose one method and say that it is good? You do not give arguments. You just say that your answer is right. You just repeat and repeat that we are wrong. Your words seems me fanatical. You have no any arguments. Why you blame me that my arguments are weak, if you do not give other facts? You think that only you are right and you do not listen to any other people.
Nowadays many terroristic acts are connected with religion, mainly with Islam, and extremists prefer to organize their bases, "strongholds" in mosques.
That's racist. That's assuming all terrorists are Islamic. It's also prejudice against religion, assuming that all terrorists fight for religion.
A lot of terrorists fight and hate America not because we are of a different religion but because we of a different economy. They hate our socialistic ways.
Do you think that it is wrong? Do you think that terrorists cannot be Islamic? From your words it seems me that you are for terrorism. You defend them. You and your supporters mistake each other. You said that terrorists are people who hate our social ways and your supporter, Lord Amon, said that they are victims. How can it be?
to believe, or not to believe - it is right of person, it's up to you. if youre an atheist you can send believers on their ways and continue to be an atheist. but if youre a believer and your religion is forbidden in your country - it might call riots and insurgences. that's why religion shouldn't be forbidden in countries.
But, nobody can impose their ideas for people. Religion started to intervene in govern affairs. As said people before me, religion does not connect with govern system
