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Religion - tool of terrorism Religion must not be forbidden
Debate Score:316
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Ended:03/18/13
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Should the government to abolish religion in country to defend from terrorism?

Nowadays many terroristic acts are connected with religion, mainly with Islam, and extremists prefer to organize their bases, "strongholds" in mosques. Knowing that religion has very big influence on people, they "put" Islamism ideology in people heads. Extremists used by non-fixed mind of children and create new supporters. But, as people think, religion has no link with extremism and religion is just intrument of extremists. Proceeding these opinions, what can we say? Is religion is bad or not? and main question: Should the government to abolish religion in country to defend from terrorism? In my opinion, we should limit religion, because it starts to get more and more power in government.

Religion - tool of terrorism

Side Score: 144
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Religion must not be forbidden

Side Score: 172
Winning Side!
6 points

We have no power to fight against cunning of extremists and we just have to forbid religion to defend from problems as civil war in Syria, Algeria, Mali

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
6 points

If we limit religion, it will help us to destroy terrorists and decrease their supporters' number.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
5 points

You keep saying limit, then you say abolish. Make up your mind.

As for limiting it, how would you limit it? Would you prevent worship outside of the home or something?

The example you keep using is that if we limit, or abolish it, that people will stop fighting over it.

That is almost synonymous with Gang activity.

Gangs are illegal, if you're in one, or found to be participating in or with one, you will be arrested, yet that hasn't stopped gang activity.

In regards to making religion illegal after once not being messed with, they will simply strike back harder in response to their worship being banned. Like the gang Ms13 did in El Salvador.

To add to what another debater had said, they are an example of extremists that have nothing to do with religion.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
4 points

We should abolish religion as tool of extremists to getting power. If we do it, we will can prevent it. Nowadays Islamists tried to come to Parliament of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan. In Uzbekistan, there is nervous situation yet. Countries tried to fix situation and to limit religious organizations, but it did not make sense. Because of that, the governments should to abolish religion. If we abolish religion:

1) People will stop conflict because of religion.

2) Extremists will lose their main tool of getting recruits.

3) The government will get opportunity to destroy illegal religious sects.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
6 points

World holds two classes of men - intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence." – Abu Ala Al-Maarri

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
6 points

Religion - it is just an method to rule the population of our earth and method to earn plenty of money from strong believers.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
5 points

Limit religion to make control better and decrease free place of action to extremists

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
5 points

Yeah! Nowadays people became crazy because of religion and they used it as tool of getting power

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
LordAmon(17) Disputed
1 point

If we see the root of these problems so we will see that religion was not the main thing which rule these people. The main root of evil is their ruler which want to have more power. But not religion. Religion is a a way of helping people to be confident and believe in miracle.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
3 points

If religion fanatics intervene in govern affairs, they cannot be seemed victims. It means attack. This action means that, religion want to control the government.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
1 point

Terrorists are victims of their ruler. They are uneducated people and they don't know a lot of political issues. They are only victims.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Zanaben(6) Disputed
2 points

Terrorists are very clever people, because they could to force some territory of country. I do not think that they are stupid. Stupid people cannot be terrorist, because it demands some brains))

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
2 points

The US blamed Islam in terrorism, but main terrorism in Asia and Africa. How Islamists can defend from US, if they attack Asian and African countries? About Christians: they form their sects, create secret religious organizations and with their actions, they get more recruits than Islamists. Christian sects are very weakly connected with Christianism, but they rely on it. These sects are strongly linked with criminal and terrorism. In Russian, there are very many christian sects and they create conflicts between religious people. Because of that, now, Russian Government started to arrest religious offender, but it does not bring help.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
LordAmon(17) Disputed
1 point

Guys. Religion is not a main evil if stupid fanatics making terroristic acts

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Zanaben(6) Disputed
2 points

Problem IN USING OF religion. I said THAT terrorists USE religion. I did not describe bad sides of religion.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Zanaben(6) Disputed
2 points

How they can be victims? Do you know how many people they kill every day? They became strange and cruel. They are crazy people.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
1 point

In the case of Islam, yes. .

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
5 points

Make Islam illegal, that totally won't give them something to rally around and piss them off even more.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Nox0(1393) Disputed
5 points

By making it illegal you will put most of it's worshipers into illegality which in most of cases will result into cancelling visa or refugee status (deportation) for most middle eastern immigrants.

They refuse to work or learn English so who will actually miss them?

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
4 points

Yeah , you are right ! If abolish Islam or other religion , the situation will be worse . The new extremists can be created . The more violence and rape can be revealed . So , people do not play with fire .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
LordAmon(17) Disputed
1 point

Why only Islam is the most danerous religion, What about chrisitan movements and sects, which are making more craziest things than arabian people. They are also danger of people in the world. Or what about people in the whole world which are not muslim, they are making crazy things, they are killing people in in honor of god. I think we need to abolish any sections but not abolish religion. Religion is part of our life, of our history.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Sitara(11088) Disputed
2 points

Islam in Arabic means submission to God, so by that defenition, anyone who claims a male god is a Muslim and must be persecuted by the government. That is complete bullshit.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Nox0(1393) Disputed
3 points

Try it in English.

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Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
5 points

One more thing , If abolish Islam or other religion , the situation will be worse . The new extremists can be created . The more violence and rape can be revealed . So , people do not play with fire .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
2 points

Extremists almost DO NOT RAPE anybody, but they can kill many people. What about new extremists: we should destroy these extremists, when new extremists appear - we will be prepared

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Querbert(206) Disputed Banned
6 points

They do extreme things. It's in the name! I think rape counts as an extreme act.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
MadiAskar(23) Disputed
4 points

You are welcome . DO this ! Destroy extremists , but no abolishment of religion .

Also , your knowledge about world is very weak . At first , improve your knowledge before giving arguments . Rapeness was in Afghanistan . Read a book Khaled Hosseini "the thousand splendid suns" . You can realize that muslims were suffering from Talibans and Mujahideens . Thanks

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Querbert(206) Banned
5 points

The people tryna ban religion right now I.e. those people

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Are extremists, look at the actions they take to ensure their side is winning, by voting up all their obviously ridiculous, groundless arguments, and downvoting all the comments that talk about any proof of how extremism does't directly relate to religion.

Smh

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
5 points

Sorry you can't respond, but I agree with you. I think they are in some kind of alliance to keep their side up for some reason. It's pretty funny actually since we don't get anything for downvoting, and we don't really get anyhting for winning.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Del1176(4964) Banned
4 points

RELIGION ISN'T EVIL, IT'S JUST IDIOTIC.

Some people use it in an evil way.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
4 points

It is not evil, but it is very often used by extremists to get power. We have no opportunity to fight against cunning extremists.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Del1176(4964) Disputed Banned
6 points

You cannot blame the idea for the way the people convey it.

Absolutely any outlook on life, even an atheist one, can be twisted to be a terrorist.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
MadiAskar(23) Disputed
3 points

Guy , please read my text very attentively . You are always saying the same things .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
4 points

Well, if you ask me, I think religion is extremely pernicious to the advancement of our species. That being said, abolishing religion is:

1. Unconstitutional

2. Impossible

3. Immoral

If people practice their religion peacefully, I won't have qualms against them.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
4 points

Peaceful actions are very calm and quiet. People who develop peaceful ideology of religion should be more energetic, it would be good. But, there are very few such people. Extremists act very actively and get need things. Because of that religion more harms than helps.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
MadiAskar(23) Disputed
4 points

I hope you have read my first comment (arguments) . I said that real dangerous are sects ... . I gave solutions ,examples , reasons and results . So that , do not be naive and ridiculous . Do not repeat your the same arguments which are destroyed . THANKS . Read the comments attentively several times .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
feelingtruth(2772) Disputed Banned
3 points

and who the hell gave you an upvote?

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
TheD(6) Clarified
2 points

How are you disputing my post? (Apparently, I need 50 characters to post, so please disregard what is in the parenheses.)

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
4 points

Evil is in the eye of the beholder.

Banning religion would be a form of terrorism and against the bill of rights.

Outlawing religion would certainly not decrease extremist religious acts. People would most likely see the violation of their religious freedom as a reason to act out more, almost like protesting, yet some people would take it further.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
4 points

It is the same. For example, in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and other middle Asian countries, Islam started to intervene in affairs of government. It can lead to become religious government type. If we limit religion and solve only some official agencies, we will notice better the extremism propagation.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Quocalimar(6470) Disputed
4 points

It is the same.

What does that mean?

For example, in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and other middle Asian countries, Islam started to intervene in affairs of government.

These are places where they have Islam as their main religion, and let it control their government. So in that case, they could not or would not want to abolish religion because that's how they choose to run their society. Which I also think is a bad idea from the get go.

It can lead to become religious government type.

Religion isn't like some gas that seeps into a room corrupting everything it touches. It's the ideas, of people. The government will be religious if the people in charge want it to be.

If we limit religion and solve only some official agencies, we will notice better the extremism propagation.

You don't get it. The extremism isn't springing from the religion. There are religious people who live perfectly complacent lives. It's stemming from the extremists. If religion was limited (by which I don't understand your meaning) extremists would take that as a reason to act, out of defiance of the new law.

If no religious people became extremists and the next generation came along into a world where there was no religion, the new generation of extremists would be extreme about something else.

To back up my thoughts there's the political extremists. The type of people that go and blow up abortion clinics to protest their right.

You also have naturally extreme people that just go and shoot up schools or use pipe bombs, like the kids who get bullied and turn into psychopaths.

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As for limiting it, how would that happen? I don't think I understand.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
MadiAskar(23) Disputed
4 points

Guy , you went to another topic . You want to abolish Islam , but your topic is about limitation religion . You cannot dispute properly . So , do not change topic .

Secondly , you began to say about limitation , but you was pro cancellation .

SO ,you changed your mind .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden

This would never work, practice of religion will still exist, it will be underground much like it was in the former Soviet Union.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
4 points

Taking freedoms to defend against terrorism? I've heard that one before. The answer is NO!

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
0 points

Your "fighters for freedom" were first to attack the government, they just want to get more power over countries. This situation about defense of rights can be looked from different sides: maybe the government is victim and religion want destroy rights of real government.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Querbert(206) Banned
4 points

Everyone on the smart side,(Religion must not be forbidden) did any of you notice this?

The people on the idiotic side are all new, in how little points they have?

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
4 points

People have the right to choose their beliefs .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
2 points

why you wrote the same in both sides? what about your words: belief should not link with politics, intervene in political affairs!

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
Sitara(11088) Disputed
1 point

People still have the right to choose their beliefs. No one has the right to dictate another person's beliefs.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
3 points

Official religions like Islam , Buddha and Christianity are not evil . But sects and religion that was separated from official stream of religion are EVIL !!! We should ban them !

1) First of all , PlEASE keep an attention , the official religions teach only right and kind things like being wise and kind , to help weak people and etc .

1. We should not blame them for cruelty . Why do not you understand that religions like Islam , Buddha and Christianity teach only kind things . They just want to make people more kind and happy ,giving them hope and showing them what to do is right and what to do is not right .

2) Secondly , Sects and religions ,separated from main streams , are evil . These kind of religion should be convicted. Because crazy people or people who understood the defined religion in other way can create chaos , misunderstanding , violence and fanaticism .

1. FOR EXAMPLE , actually , we are talking about Muslim terrorists ! People of other religion do not know that real Muslims are not Muslims as terrorists , due to their absolutely cruel movements . Do You know that Muslim terrorists and extremists kill other Muslims for the sake of their purpose ? Why should we call them Muslims ? Their , terrorists' , way of thinking differs from real Muslims . THerefore we should not blame ISLAM AND MUSLIMS . WE only should ban the other streams .

2. ALSO , there is another thing . Rich people and developed countries can use religions like an excuse and justifications . The uprisings in SYRIA , LYBIA were not only made by religious extremists . The Muslim extremists were sponsored and financed by developed countries in order to intervene and grab the fossil fuels . They just suggest Muslim extremists a power and authority .

3) WE CAN solve the problem of bad and cruel stream of religions creating a law that allows to exist only main ,official religions like Islam , Buddha, Christianity . The law should be strict . FOR example , the country Kazakhstan and Singapore in ASIA control the religions by this way . A lot of diverse religious people live with balance without conflicts . Because , the government strive to control the religions . BUT , after all , the force from outside of the country tries to interfere .

LET"S ban bad and other not main flow of religions . Because they are reasons of violances .

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Smarlen(48) Disputed
2 points

Yes, but religions are divided on parts and we cannot define the main part of religion. They have many different ways. We cannot say that all of them is evil, but we should limit influence of religion to politics. How it can be connected with politics? I think religions have peaceful ideas and they have not idea that power must be of religion people.

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
MadiAskar(23) Disputed
4 points

1 point

We and government can differ and forbid the sects and other non-official streams of religions . HOW ?

1) First of all , why cannot we differ the sects from original religions ? It is easy. Actually , your argument is so silly . I think you are little young guy . So , it is not a problem . Government and we can differ using original literatures like KORAN , BIBLE . So , the original religions have their own literature which are well-known in the world for Muslim countries and scientists of religions . Do not worry scientists are proved as scientists , because being scientist of religion and other science is very responsible and valuable thing . So that , scientists are able to separate the main stream with another streams .

2) Secondly ,as I noted earlier , we should create laws like Kazakhstan , Singapore . According to their law , every worship in those countries should register and give reports of their works and activities . Especially , the worships are being checked very often by members of government . This way of control is real and works . According to the statistics ," 27 non-official streams of religions were closed and prohibited"(2011) .

3) Thirdly , every country should develop and make strong its boarder . Because the stream of sects are trying to interfere from the outside of the country . So Let's do it :)

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
MadiAskar(23) Disputed
2 points

We and government can differ and forbid the sects and other non-official streams of religions . HOW ?

1) First of all , why cannot we differ the sects from original religions ? It is easy. Actually , your argument is so silly . I think you are little young guy . So , it is not a problem . Government and we can differ using original literatures like KORAN , BIBLE . So , the original religions have their own literature which are well-known in the world for Muslim countries and scientists of religions . Do not worry scientists are proved as scientists , because being scientist of religion and other science is very responsible and valuable thing . So that , scientists are able to separate the main stream with another streams .

2) Secondly ,as I noted earlier , we should create laws like Kazakhstan , Singapore . According to their law , every worship in those countries should register and give reports of their works and activities . Especially , the worships are being checked very often by members of government . This way of control is real and works . According to the statistics ," 27 non-official streams of religions were closed and prohibited"(2011) .

3) Thirdly , every country should develop and make strong its boarder . Because the stream of sects are trying to interfere from the outside of the country . So Let's do it :)

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
1 point

Nowadays many terroristic acts are connected with religion, mainly with Islam, and extremists prefer to organize their bases, "strongholds" in mosques.

That's racist. That's assuming all terrorists are Islamic. It's also prejudice against religion, assuming that all terrorists fight for religion.

A lot of terrorists fight and hate America not because we are of a different religion but because we of a different economy. They hate our socialistic ways.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Zanaben(6) Disputed
1 point

Do you think that it is wrong? Do you think that terrorists cannot be Islamic? From your words it seems me that you are for terrorism. You defend them. You and your supporters mistake each other. You said that terrorists are people who hate our social ways and your supporter, Lord Amon, said that they are victims. How can it be?

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
1 point

to believe, or not to believe - it is right of person, it's up to you. if youre an atheist you can send believers on their ways and continue to be an atheist. but if youre a believer and your religion is forbidden in your country - it might call riots and insurgences. that's why religion shouldn't be forbidden in countries.

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Zanaben(6) Disputed
2 points

Maybe yes, but, the main question is cancel religion for some times when we will destroy terrorists.. After that we will allow religion

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism
1 point

Religion is a way to help people to believe in something but not to fight or make terracts

Side: Religion must not be forbidden
Zanaben(6) Disputed
2 points

But, nobody can impose their ideas for people. Religion started to intervene in govern affairs. As said people before me, religion does not connect with govern system

Side: Religion - tool of terrorism