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Yes, it's there country No, we know what's best
Debate Score:30
Arguments:14
Total Votes:40
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 Yes, it's there country (7)
 
 No, we know what's best (7)

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Should the next President let the Iraqi goverment decide when we need to leave by?

Whose choice?

Apparently the Iraqi government wants us to leave by 2011. Who knew? How do you think this should affect the next presidents decision making with regards to removing our troops from the country?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article5032531.ece

Yes, it's there country

Side Score: 15
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No, we know what's best

Side Score: 15
4 points

There have been many countries who have offered to go in and finish up. What we should do is hand it over. It should not be ours anymore - it should belong to the UN. This is just ridiculous - they don't want us there. Can you imagine?

We have to start healing, and representing the US as a world leader again. Not bullies.

Side: Yes, it's there country
4 points

I think America needs to get out of the mindset that it knows what is best for anyone because it doesn't (it barely knows what's best for America). Even if it did it obviously doesn't have the ability, competence, or desire to implement it. Now I'm not insulting the troops, for they don't make the policy decisions that place them in war, they just fight it. They are doing the best they can but are being led terribly for insincere reasons by a government and select group of elites who don't care about them or the country they invaded. Iraq is the property of Iraqi's not America. If they want us out we need to leave but that doesn't mean we can't work with them to leave in a stable way. They do need to understand though that if we leave we are not obligated aside from maybe morally to help if they can't sustain and improve security and an economic infrastructure. as long as we stay against their wishes we are nothing more than an occupying military power taking part in imperialistic actions and agendas.

Side: Yes, it's there country

Well put, all of you. And Ta, I'm also of the same mindset you are about America knowing what is best for anyone else.

Side: Yes, it's there country
3 points

The answer to this is not black-and-white, but I lean more on the "it's their country" side. If they do not know when they are ready, how can we ever? We need to work with them to ensure they feel stable enough socially, militarily, and politically to cope with their multitudinous problems.

Although it is the responsibility of the US President to determine when and where we send our troops (he IS the "Commander In Chief" after all), this is not entirely a military or political decision.

Side: Yes, it's there country
1 point

America needs to slowly pull our troops out of Iraq because it is not helping our own economy having all of those American citizens over there. however obamas plan to pull out will give our economy a final blow and knock us on our ass he has no idea how much it will cost and how much recourses that we DO NOT!!! have to pull all of them out in such a short period of time.

Side: Yes, it's there country
1 point

The Iraqis hav been able to control their own country for a while and the only reason our government can give us that we are staying in Iraq is either A. They will soon crumble into war or B. they need us there but if they want us gone and choose a date themselves we have no arguement.

Side: Yes, it's there country
3 points

I don't think that we know best for any other country. In fact, with all the things going on here at home, I'm not sure we know what is best for ourselves either. I don't think we should let the other country decide for us, but we do need to set a firm date by which they will be responsible for themselves. We do not have the time or the resources to keep the same level of presence there indefinitely. Leaving sooner rather than later would be better.

Side: No, we know what's best
2 points

You just called them a shit country. Do you even realize how you sound? and that you are part of the problem, not the solution.

Side: oink oink
2 points

I feel the U.S. should do what ever it can to wrap up this war soon. BUT the U.S. needs to make sure the Iraqi government is stable enough to sustain itself and is not influenced by radical groups. The next President, in my opinion should listen to the U.S. generals in Iraq and do what they say to do to achieve our goals. Once the goals in Iraq are achieved, then we can leave.

Side: No, we know what's best
2 points

We have been over there now for a while. I believe that if Bush thought that the Iraqi government could manage on there own then we would have already left. So I don't think Obama should let them decide when we leave because with out us they still would be a nation that was being oppressed by there dictator.

Side: No, we know what's best
1 point

no one nows best we're over their to protect all the people that are scared for their its just another police act just like veatnom ok people think they can do it their self let me ask you this if you have ever lost some body you loved and could do any thing to make your self better then to help sombode else well thats why were over their

Side: nobody noes what to do

I'm going to come down on this side because I know this must be a joint effort with the USA leading the way. We do know what's best for our troops and their stay of duty there but what we do not know is when the Iraqi government will be ready to take the reins of government into their hands with all factions in place and in order. I am certain we are, and have been for some time, spending an inordinate amount of time on their governments success but there comes a time when enough is really enough. They must try out their sea legs and ascertain if they are strong enough to withstand insurgents and al-Quaeda! Yes, it's their government but I don't think we want to be there into infinity either. I have not heard any projections from either side as to when they will actually be ready to take over. 2011 is not all that far away but 10 or 11 years is quite enough already!

Side: No, we know what's best
-1 points

yes, because listening to Foreign Dictators is exactly how we liberate the people of that country.

lets face it, Insurgency and al-Qaeda are still present forces in Iraq. The IPs can't handle them like we do, and we are actually the ones who train them to fight them. The new government is combined with fear and corruption (like all shit countries) and they want American presence gone as soon as possible. They fear us and they fear the Islamofacists. They want to give in to the Islamofacists and kick us out... basically, creating a mini Saddam in power. Not nearly as horrible as it was with Saddam, but basically a Mobocracy.

Side: No, we know what's best
patriot2008(74) Disputed
1 point

no one nows best we're over their to protect all the people that are scared for their its just another police act just like veatnom ok people think they can do it their self let me ask you this if you have ever lost some body you loved and could do any thing to make your self better then to help sombode else well thats why were over their

Side: Yes, it's there country