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Should there be a cause to every effect??

http://www.thenazareneway.com/cause_and_effect.htm
https://qz.com/316826/mathematicians-have-finally-figured-out-how-to-tell-correlation-from-causation/
Is it necessary that every effect should have a cause?? the idea of cause and effect can be found throughout human history, with many philosophers and mathematicians involved, and not to forget, the famous idealogy of "karma".
Could this mean we are an effect of an unknown cause?

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There is a cause for every effect. The decisions you make in life all have effects your choice is the cause. And even if you can't see the cause of something then maybe it IS the cause of some effect later on in your life

Side: yes

According to me, this theory sounds right only until we can determine the exact cause of an effect, if this could be explained, I believe it has the potential to be mankind's greatest achievement, revealing the secrets of this universe we reside in..

Side: yes

http://www.commonsensescience.org/pdf/articles/law ofcauseandeffectfosv7n3_causality.pdf

here is something more detailed, including the history of it..

Side: yes

In our reality every effect has a cause. There may be somewhere where reality is abstract, but this is not it, as far as we know.

Side: yes
1 point

Everythings has a causes. Dis be a Atheist try to creates sum new myth stuffs.

Side: yes
1 point

God created all things including us, plain and simple. God who is there, the eternal living God who is independent of all things created all things. Deny the simple obvious truth and you are left with never ending religious endeavors and philosophical meanderings trying to explain reality and whether you mask it in scientific terms or not, you will never know what you are talking about.

Side: yes
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This is a joke. Everything has a cause if you understand it or not. God caused all things to exist, God is the only being who was not caused. Leave God out of your attempts to understand reality and the kind of rambling nonsense of the OP and so many comments here is what you are left with and it will never end....leading only to death and never finding the truth.

Side: yes
1 point

Those OP links reference articles that are jokes. Why in the world do people actually find time to compose such self-flattering gibberish and pawn it off as intellectually entertaining reading? ........ ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth

Side: yes
1 point

Here's an example of the pseudo-intellectualism of one of the OP links........

"But the key insight is that random fluctuation in traffic will affect John’s commute time, whereas random fluctuation in John’s commute time won’t affect the traffic."

This is "the key insight"? This is supposed to be profound? Not only is it not profound, it's just plain stupid. Random fluctuation in John's commute time could cause a traffic accident and shut down the lines of travel for hours. What a joke, there is no end of these mush brains pretending to be intellectually superior by crafting complicated expressions of thought as they try to mask their own faulty reasoning........and then crowds of people who worship them like the author of this discussion are likely to pay the for their work...........

too funny........and really, pitiful

Side: yes

Calling it an effect would mean that it has a cause. That's circular.

But no, everything does not need, or even have, causes. The fabrics of reality, or reality as people call it, doesn't need a cause. It has been observed that many times in subatomic processes, effect comes before the cause.

And nothing has a single cause - it's always a sum of all possible causes.

Side: no
3 points

But no, everything does not need, or even have, causes. The fabrics of reality, or reality as people call it, doesn't need a cause

It had a cause called the big bang.

Side: yes
2 points

That just means that you've no idea about what I said. Therefore, the upvotes are obviously your alts.

Anyone who makes such comments ought to be banned, for otherwise it just degrades the quality of the debate. If someone cares about it, that is.

Side: no
3 points

It has been observed that many times in subatomic processes, effect comes before the cause

You are using a fill in the gaps fallacy and giving a theoretical answer as though it were a factual answer.

Side: yes
beastforever(555) Clarified
2 points

hey, jatin

"Reality is the state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined.Reality includes everything that is and has been, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. A still broader definition includes that which has existed, exists, or will exist."

what if what we call reality(what we think and perceive) isn't actual reality?

that way, we will never know what it actually is and hence can't find causes to it..

And nothing has a single cause - it's always a sum of all possible causes

This, I totally agree with. the title of the debate was just to present to everyone a vague idea of what it is.

It has been observed that many times in subatomic processes, effect comes before the cause.

quantum mechanics has been way different from newtonian mechanics, but we still use the latter, can't the cause and effect theory be something like that? even chance, which is considered to be an alternative to cause and effect, well opposing each other, fails in subatomic processes..

Side: yes
JatinNagpal(2678) Clarified
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what if what we call reality(what we think and perceive) isn't actual reality?

Then the actual reality itself will be uncaused.

This, I totally agree with. the title of the debate was just to present to everyone a vague idea of what it is.

Still, for those who might read it and not understand, it's the Feynman Sum over Histories.

can't the cause and effect theory be something like that?

It sort of is, and is applicable at every area of Newtonian Mechanics. But it breaks down at various levels.

Side: yes
1 point

in most cases there are causes to every effect ...that doesn't mean that every effect has a cause,....a typical exam0ple is just a simple scientific explanation of an ATOM...an atom is a small particle of matter that exists on its own...

nothing causes an atom to exist...its existence is an effect without cause

Side: no
2 points

nothing causes an atom to exist...its existence is an effect without cause

what if there is actually a cause, but humans just can't comprehend it?

we can't say that there is no cause just because we can't think of one.

nuclear forces and polarity of protons and electrons can be a cause to which, an atom exists as an effect, this is just my view..

Side: yes

Some confusion has arisen in the minds of persons considering this Principle, from the fact that they were unable to explain how one thing could cause another thing-that is, be the "creator" of the second thing. As a matter of fact, no "thing" ever causes or "creates" another "thing." Cause and Effect deals merely with "events." An "event" is that which comes, arrives or happens, as a result or consequent of some preceding event. No event "creates" another event, but is merely a preceding link in the great orderly chain of events flowing from the creative energy of THE ALL. There is a continuity between all events precedent, consequent and subsequent. There is a relation existing between everything that has gone before, and everything that follows. A stone is dislodged from a mountain side and crashes through a roof of a cottage in the valley below. At first sight we regard this as a chance effect, but when we examine the matter we find a great chain of causes behind it. In the first place there was the rain which softened the earth supporting the stone and which allowed it to fall; then back of that was the influence of the sun, other rains, etc., which gradually disintegrated the piece of rock from a larger piece; then there were the causes which led to the formation of the mountain, and its upheaval by convulsions of nature, and so on ad infinitum. Then we might follow up the causes behind the rain, etc. Then we might consider the existence of the roof. In short, we would soon find ourselves involved in a mesh of cause and effect, from which we would soon strive to extricate ourselves.

this was from an article i've given links to..

Side: yes
2 points

an atom is a small particle of matter that exists on its own

This is theoretical. Atoms are broken down into quarks and who knows what else.

This is a fill in the unknown gaps fallacy. Natin doesn't know where it came from, therefore it must not come from anything or anywhere.

Side: yes
1 point

If you label something "effect" then yes of course it must have a "cause". Its like saying a grandfather must have a grandson... well DUH!!

Side: no
beastforever(555) Clarified
2 points

not necessarily, when we are generalizing. I request you to to go through the three links. it is very important to look into because we have this idea opposing the classical idea of chance..

Side: yes
1 point

With questions on the nature of reality, it is t a question of ought, but is. So does every cause have an effect? On the level at which we function, it is reasonable to believe that every effect is caused. The world of quantum physics gets a little fuzzy. We either do not understand the causal relationship of certain phenomenon, or some effects are uncaused.

The question this brings to mind is:Does every cause have a singular effect; or can there be there multiple, mutually exclusive effects so that what is could have been otherwise.

Side: no