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Debate Score:43
Arguments:23
Total Votes:47
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Should traffic lights and stop signs be eliminated?

YES

Side Score: 7
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NO

Side Score: 36

There are more efficient and safer (but more expensive) ways for roads to merge and cross each other. For example, bridges and/or tunnels at every intersection so that one road goes over, the other under. More lanes for merging. It'll take up more land area but I'm sure there are some crazy designs that minimizes the area, and if production capability allows for such a system to be built cheaply I'm all for it.

Side: yes
2 points

I've had that idea, I always wanted to be a city planner. I established this idea; a two-layer city. Bottom layer, commercial and traffic, top layer residential. The issue with weaving streets is that the length of a block would have to be enormous to provide adequate room for businesses and associated parking, because you cannot easily have driveways on progressively downward sloping roads; also it'd be terrible for gas mileage, and new manual transmission drivers. I would suggest an elaborate pattern of one way streets, but I'm still working on the idea.

Side: No

Since the traffic congestion is terrible due to bad government management of roads and highways, there should be consideration for reform for traffic lights and stop signs.

Side: yes

Have you ever stopped at traffic light or stop sign with nobody in sight, yet terrified that a officer is nearby, so you must waste your time for the sake of state control?

"Psychologists have long revealed the senselessness of such exaggerated regulation. About 70 percent of traffic signs are ignored by drivers." Traffic

Therefore, traffic lights and stop signs should be eliminated. Traffic violations are nothing more than to raise tax revenue to pay for the oversized budgets.

Traffic lights, stop signs, and other directional signs contribute to the heavy congestion plagued throughout cities in the United States; however, this is not the only reason for traffic congestion. It's close brother is government owned and managed roads and highways. It is time to take politics out of transportation and institute private roads and company owned highways. Private Roads

Traffic lights and stop signs are just another source of state control. The overabundance of directional signs is equivalent to treating drivers as small children.

Roads without lights or signs is a traffic model that will eliminate the vicious circle of control and give drivers more liberty and encourage them to take responsibility for driving. Traffic lights and stop signs are the cause of traffic problems.

"It may sound like chaos, but it's only the lesson drawn from one of the insights of traffic psychology: Drivers will force the accelerator down ruthlessly only in situations where everything has been fully regulated. Where the situation is unclear, they're forced to drive more carefully and cautiously." Traffic

Side: yes
scottb(4) Disputed
5 points

That doesn't argue for eliminating traffic control signals in general, only some of them, and you don't even give any notion as to what kinds of guidelines should be used to decide.

There's no doubt that some intersections need signals -- busy intersections where one side would never get through because of near continuous flow of traffic on the other, intersections with difficult vantage points making it unclear whether entering is safe, and so on.

Side: No
Akulakhan(2973) Disputed
4 points

"Have you ever stopped at traffic light or stop sign with nobody in sight, yet terrified that a officer is nearby, so you must waste your time for the sake of state control?"

• I'm not terrified by police. I am more than willing to abide to the code of our despotic and tyrannic traffic control systems, because I understand the precaution and value the purpose of said system.

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" 'Psychologists have long revealed the senselessness of such exaggerated regulation. About 70 percent of traffic signs are ignored by drivers.' Traffic

Therefore, traffic lights and stop signs should be eliminated. Traffic violations are nothing more than to raise tax revenue to pay for the oversized budgets."

• Just because drivers mostly ignore traffic signs doesn't mean that those traffic signs don't serve a purpose. I like to know that I can't turn left into oncoming traffic, or that my lane ends in 1000 feet, or what the hell street I'm on. People are fined for breaking these regulations because they potentially endanger others and themselves by doing so. If those fines go to pay off our debt to china, then so be it.

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"Traffic lights, stop signs, and other directional signs contribute to the heavy congestion plagued throughout cities in the United States; however, this is not the only reason for traffic congestion. It's close brother is government owned and managed roads and highways. It is time to take politics out of transportation and institute private roads and company owned highways. Private Roads"

• Are you claiming that the lack of traffic regulation would lessen congestion? Are you neglecting the purpose of these regulations wholesomely? Have you seen particular eastern traffic? And for the support of corporate and private roads, I as well disagree. I want to be able to get from point A to point B without taking only CostCo member streets or paying for a Burger King road pass.

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"Traffic lights and stop signs are just another source of state control"

• This is known to most everyone.

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"The overabundance of directional signs is equivalent to treating drivers as small children."

• Or rather, preventing the likes of small children from driving.

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--I really would rather not dissect the rest, being as it's just reiteration of applying extreme libertarianism to the most readily understood and reasonable regulations. Why do you so fervently oppose the idea of regulation?

Side: No
3 points

--I really would rather not dissect the rest, being as it's just reiteration of applying extreme libertarianism to the most readily understood and reasonable regulations. Why do you so fervently oppose the idea of regulation?

He opposes it because to admit that just one instance of government regulation of social affairs leads to improvement over its unregulated counterpart is to contradict his inflexible dogma of Free Market.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

Have you ever stopped at traffic light or stop sign with nobody in sight, yet terrified that a officer is nearby, so you must waste your time for the sake of state control?

"Psychologists have long revealed the senselessness of such exaggerated regulation. About 70 percent of traffic signs are ignored by drivers." Traffic

Therefore, traffic lights and stop signs should be eliminated. Traffic violations are nothing more than to raise tax revenue to pay for the oversized budgets.

It's a conspiracy! Everyone Panic.

Why don't you just come out of the closet and admit that you want no responsibility towards society. Just admit that you are a malignant narcissist.

Traffic lights, stop signs, and other directional signs contribute to the heavy congestion plagued throughout cities in the United States; however, this is not the only reason for traffic congestion. It's close brother is government owned and managed roads and highways. It is time to take politics out of transportation and institute private roads and company owned highways. Private Roads

Regulated highways give order to a system which is heavily populated and requires split-second, consistent decision making.

Traffic lights and stop signs are just another source of state control. The overabundance of directional signs is equivalent to treating drivers as small children.

A roadway of people who cannot communicate with each other requires coordination from a third party in order to achieve order.

Roads without lights or signs is a traffic model that will eliminate the vicious circle of control and give drivers more liberty and encourage them to take responsibility for driving. Traffic lights and stop signs are the cause of traffic problems.

Why don't you just check yourself into a state mental hospital? You're crazy and it would be for your own good.

Side: No
1 point

Why don't you just come out of the closet and admit that you want no responsibility towards society.

Projection of Guilt

Just admit that you are a malignant narcissist.

Name Calling

Regulated highways give order to a system which is heavily populated and requires split-second, consistent decision making.

Thought Control

A roadway of people who cannot communicate with each other requires coordination from a third party in order to achieve order.

Hysteria

Why don't you just check yourself into a state mental hospital?

Denial of Reality that roads without controls would be more safe.

I guess Congratulations are in order, and this is only in one response in one instance.

Side: yes
zombee(1024) Disputed
2 points

Oops.

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Side: No
1 point

I do it all the time. Such is the risk of using mobile devices.

Side: No
1 point

Seriously, who upvoted this? It was a double post.

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Side: No
zombee(1024) Disputed
2 points

"Psychologists have long revealed the senselessness of such exaggerated regulation. About 70 percent of traffic signs are ignored by drivers."

For one, why should the amount of people who obey a regulation should have an effect on whether or not that regulation is in place?

Also, signs vary immensely in their importace and the source does not address that. I see stop signs obeyed far more than 30% of the time, and a stop sign at a busy intersection has a much larger effect on traffic when they are obeyed or disobeyed than a 'No U-turn' sign on a deserted back road.

Finally, the source you pasted from wants to eliminate traffic lights in urban areas, but they cite only relatively small settlements as examples. Ipswitch is the only one with more than 100,000 people, and two only have several thousand. Of course a town with approximately 1000 people is going to handle the removal of traffic lights much better than a city of millions. I am curious if this has ever been tried on a larger scale, and if so, how it worked out.

Of course the opposite extreme is not ideal either. However, I do not trust other drivers very much, and I do not expect them to trust me. When operating something as dangerous as a car, regulations like these are safer for everyone.

Side: No
cuntyguy2(203) Disputed
1 point

Are you serious or do you just enjoy tripping on acid like me?

Traffic lights are evil. That's a new one.

Side: No
2 points

Traffic lights and stop signs, though mildly irritating to drivers at times, are necessary to maintain order on the roads and should not be eliminated. The number of current auto accidents is already incredibly high with these precautions. If these precautions are done away with, then it is very likely that drivers, even those with an intention to drive well and safely, will cause or be involved in even more incidents. This could be caused by simply not knowing the road well. If a driver does not know the road, then they may not be aware where an intersection before they are on top of it. Not having a traffic light or stop sign may have prevented the driver from being able to slow down and avoid rushing into an intersection.

In addition, one could also look at the economic side of the issue. Disposing of traffic lights and stop signs may decrease costs of maintenance for the government, and in turn the taxpayers. These savings would ultimately become moot. The wrongful death financial repercussions of the auto accidents caused by the lack of traffic lights and stop signs would now become the responsibility of the government, and taxpayers would end up footing the bill. Traffic lights and stop signs are crucial in maintaining both safe, functioning, modern environment.

Side: No
2 points

No they should not.

Reasoning 101: some government regulations are actually worth having.

Side: No
2 points

Yes it would be more effecient, but the streets would be more dangerous and would be out of control.Also deaths would be increased due to the elimination of traffic lights and stop signs.

Side: No
1 point

Yes, let's have roadside anarchy as people in busy cities and towns drive and stop inconsistently and unpredictably, cutting people off and making pedestrian life more difficult.

Side: No

Getting rid of traffic lights and stop signs won't cut back on accidents. Pedestrians and cyclists already face many dangers, and I don't see the point in increasing those dangers.

Side: No
1 point

i aint dying because someone aint gunna stop their car when im coming. ! pshhh

Side: No
1 point

We need stop signs and light to maintain order and safety on the roadways. without order on the streets we would all have car accidents on a daily basis!! we run the risk of totaling our vehicles beyond repair and even death!

Side: yes

Those elements are needed in order to prevent accidents. Also, pedestrians need to know when it is their turn to cross the street.

Side: NO