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First of all the notion of illegalizing transgenderness is nonsense jargon, people are transgendered, dress them up in the clothing meant for their biological sex, but they will still be transgendered. Unless you disagree with the actual scientists who studies them, who's confirmed that they are indeed transgendered, and the opposite sex mentally. Even if you do, basically you are saying that we should force a national dress code on the country, that we should demand the american people (or wherever you are from) to make sure we dress by specific social customs. I know I don't want my country telling me how to dress, and I'm not even transgendered.
"scientists who studies them, who's confirmed that they are indeed transgendered, and the opposite sex mentally."
No. They are sick mentality. There are some stupid thought people grow up with from childhood. If they never mentioned it in their childhood to anyone to be corrected........they grow up realise they are now matured and its time for an adventure.
They have been swimming in a pool of studity for so long..........
What about you who has never been satisfied with drinking from a sea of stupidity.........
I know normal people would not be satisfied drinking from a pool of stupidity ... you truly are an idiot you don't even know what you're saying anymore you nasty brute
No , again you're the one who supports rapists making YOU the liar now you've been caught You're as usual to cowardly to apologise .
Do we really need to post a list of your daily lies yet again ?
Again I'm not judging as it's in your nature as you've admitted before that your people enjoy robbing white people or do ou now wish to deny that also ?
I meant to say neurology but it doesn't matter. The fact gender dysphoria is real documented thing that happens, we might not fully understand it, but it definitely does happen. "Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity" That was in the article you sent me, and while it establishes to make the point that transgendered people's brains were not exactly like the brains of the opposite biological sex that doesn't mean that gender dysphoria isn't a real thing, or that people are making up their gender dysphoria in there head.
I do not think that they should be legal because a person is their gender whether they want to be or not. Your gender does not depend on your feelings, it depends on your hormones.
I do not think that they should be legal because a person is their gender whether they want to be or not.
So you want to make it illegal to cross dress, you literally want to force a national dress code on people, just so people don't dress by the social norms of the other biological sex? Why? What does that accomplish other than deprive people of happiness?
Feelings do not determine gender. I am not saying that a certain sex should have a dress code, I am saying that the way you want things to be does not determine gender.
Because it doesn't make them happy, just perpetuates their misery and meaninglessness, much as giving heroin to an addict doesn't make them happy, just keeps them miserable.
The altruistic thing to do of course is to rectify the psychological dysfunctions, rather than mutilate genitalia and lie to them and help them pretend to be something they're not, and is biologically impossible, as sex is determined by biology and chromosomes.
And of course, not all 'social norms' are created equal - some are more virtuous than others, as defined by natural law, not the 'opinions' of the ignorant.
Trans people have just as many rights as anyone else and have the right to wear whatever they want just like you do. Also maybe you should stick to one account "NowASaint".
It should be illegal because all it does is mainstream the delusion of a serious mental illness that needs to be addressed and cared for in a proper manner instead of just providing the option to change one's gender and subject them to more mental torment from society. They should be treated like a bipolar person or any other person experiencing a mental disorder.
I really don't have a problem with reservations. I don't presume to tell you how to live your life but I do have a problem with them having the sex of there body changed and then marrying someone without telling them.... You marry someone in good faith with the intention of having a family then they have to lie and say they are sterile ? Sorry its not right.
You marry someone in good faith with the intention of having a family then they have to lie and say they are sterile ? Sorry its not right.
You're implying that every single transgendered person is an amoral liar whom lie to their partners? I'm sorry, but that's absolutely ludicrous.
The majority of people marrying transgendered adults are perfectly aware of their condition. Just remember that you can generally tell when someone's transgender or not, so if you're marrying someone and haven't noticed that they're a little too testosteroney to be a woman then you're a bit of a moron.
Besides, why should it matter? Sex isn't the only way of reproducing/having children you mongrel. How do you think infertile people have children, or gay couples?
People act like they are transgender when they are really not. They just want to go into the different bathrooms. Some men do terrible things to women when they are alone, and a girl's bathroom is a perfect way to do that.
I always thought that its ok for them to be what they want to be. However, what happens when some guy becomes a girl and them marries a man without telling him and them can't give him a family he thought he was going to get.... What happens to his rights ?
they should be illegal because there has been many rapes due to transgenders,and it is scientifically impossible to change chromosomes which define gender and if they bring up feelings,they don't care how woman feel uncomfortable in bathrooms with them so why should we care for them
If you succeed in declaring them illegal then what are going to do to them? Lock them up for it? Execute them? Subject them to brainwashing to realign them?
There is no point at all to making them illegal unless you've got some sort of dictatorial brutality you're going to unleash. If you don't plan on doing anything besides labeling them as wrong then just leave them alone to live their lives.
In other words you opt for the totalitarian brainwashing approach. Why don't you move to Iran, that's exactly what they do with trans-genders and homosexuals, that or they kill them.
You can't undo Aspergers or Down Syndrome with re-education, counseling, or drugs, yet you're acquainting undoing trans-gender issues with that. It would fail just the same.
I dont know if you know or care, but you are on the "No" side here.
Are you saying that gender dis-morphia is a disorder like Down Syndrome?
When a person has body integrity identity disorder, we don't want to allow them to remove whatever limb they feel so intensly needs to be removed. We try to cure them. Is gender dis-morphia so different that the desire to remove a leg calls for mental healthcare while the desire to remove ones genitalia requires acceptance and support?
Also, I will probably be banned withing a post or two so I may not get back to a response.
The top of this column when I look at it on my screen says "yes". And I appear to not be the only one who thought it was yes.
Regardless I stand by what I write.
And no, I am not saying trans-genders are the same as Down Syndrome, I'm saying not everything that differs from the general population is therefore a "mental disorder" deserving to be treated like a mental disorder.
When a person has body integrity identity disorder, we don't want to allow them to remove whatever limb they feel so intensely needs to be removed. We try to cure them.
Is gender dis-morphia so different that the desire to remove a leg calls for mental healthcare while the desire to remove ones genitalia requires acceptance and support?
OK, I had to surf around a little and read a little about it.
The example you're talking about is a subgroup of BIID, Apotemnophilia. It truly does appear to be a mental disorder though they need to know more about it. Anyway, it's a relevant analogy.
I'm just thinking out loud below. Don't take this as direct attack of your claim, I'm just thinking as I write.
First, I couldn't find any statistics on how prevalent Apotemnophilia is in the general population. I would be willing to bet it's far below how many are homosexual or transgender.
Second, the ability of someone not yet adult age to go through with lopping of a limb is negligible. The Apotemnophilia follow throughs all seem to be adults in the examples I'm finding. Quite frankly I'd still let an adult do what they want to themselves. But then again I also support euthanasia rights for the terminally ill.
Third, even if we were treating someone with Apotemnophilia as a mental disorder we still wouldn't a) insult them as immoral for having it, or b) expect it's a simple matter of re-education, or c) really even expect them to change. It seems to me treating it as a mental disorder means basically helping them learn to cope with being different. If all you mean is that then it's fairly harmless.
I posted as a relevant analogy and the way I approach these matters.
I expect that Apotemnophilia would seem like a much larger portion of the population if they had a very vocal advocacy organization.
The situations I have read about imply that the only solution to the mental anguish caused by Apotemnophilia is to follow through with the removal of the limb in question. I wouldn't take issue with a person choosing to do that any more than I would take issue with trans operations. However, I don't think that this acceptance of another persons right to do what they will with their body should necessitate acceptance of their choice as a normal, natural, or healthy one.
I would treat any disabled or ill person with the respect I extend to any human being. My consideration of trans-gender people as less than healthy should not be taken as offensive, any more than recognizing a person with downs syndrome as ill should be offensive. They aren't wrong or bad, but neither are they healthy. They can do what they want, but it is what it is.
Yet I remain concerned that to people less thoughtful or sophisticated as yourself the label of mental disorder would be exploited to bad ends. I'm just not comfortable with calling it that or prescribing treatment for it.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to attempt to find effective treatment to offer those who wish to be treated. Until something effective is found, acceptance may be the healthiest response to an unhealthy circumstance. With that, trans people need to be honest about their condition unless it is dangerous to do so.
It is possible to use such a label to bad ends. I think mostly because of the stigma still surrounding psychological ailments (not so present with physical ailments). It is something that would need to be guarded against. However, I don't think that thoughtful people should regulate their thoughtfulness based on potential responses of less thoughtful people.
Your question was what do we do with them, my answer is treat them as someone with a mental issue I do not mean treat them the same as every other mental disability[which you have not denied it is a mental disability]
Mental disorder-Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. [A]
Being trans effect's the following things mood,thinking and behavior in the way that is a disorder
Disorder-disrupt the systematic functioning or neat arrangement of.[B]
The things listed are effected by ruining the systematic functions and neat arrangement of the human anatomy and a genders specific tendencies in life.
What's next?? Should black people be legal, should dogs be legal, should women be legal? Of course, on that last one, otherwise we'd all have to be gay! Who wrote this idiocy? Must have been "GOD", because they are judging against " HIS creations "!
First of all, people should be free to express themselves however they wish, people should be free. Whether you think it's weird or uncomfortable comes 2nd if not last to that. We can't illegalize people for dressing a certain way, come on now.
Bringing me to my second point, people are who they are, and yes people are mentally the opposite sex sometimes. Trying to make them repress that is far more harmful than letting them be who they are, letting them be.
Yup. People are who they are. But seriously, who is going to go around pulling a gender check to make sure people are dressing the way they should or checking if they look the way they "should". And for that matter, who is to decide how anyone of a specific gender should dress and look?
Why is it anyone else's business what someone else does with their life? Why do you care? It doesn't affect you in any way.
Making being transgender illegal is absolutely ridiculous. Numerous studies have shown that transgender individuals have a huge suicide rate if they haven't been allowed to express themselves and be accepted for who they are.
"Why is it anyone else's business what someone else does with their life? Why do you care? It doesn't affect you in any way." Right so Hitler its okay sorry we forced you to suicide come back we dont care what each other do now adays
Being transgender doesn't result in mass genocide. It doesn't affect you, and it doesn't affect anyone else (unless you desperately want to be affected and offended, that is). The holocaust didn't affect me personally, no, but it affected and still does affect other people.
It's absolutely ludicrous to compare the two. It's not relatable in any way.
The comparison doesn't work because it's too extreme. You can't compare Hitler - a man who tried to wipe out an entire race, and threatened the entire stability of the world - with a transgender man/woman whose condition primarily affects themselves, perhaps one or two others.
My original point is that a person being transgender doesn't affect the original poster. This still stands. Their way of living and their freedom is not affected in the slightest by transgender people.
If I said "other people being transgender doesn't hurt you", would you accept that as a statement? If yes, you're being unreasonably anal, but at least you're not simply missing the point.
Yes, but if we reduce it to affecting you, then empathy isn't a valid argument.
Ideally, you'd have understood the flaw in your original claim.
f I said "other people being transgender doesn't hurt you",
That's, as I said, making things too arbitrary to bother presenting arguments. Unless you can explain why this line of reasoning is valid here and in limited cases, where the considerations of other cases would prove inefficient.
But, that statement isn't true for everyone in the case of Hitler. For the Jews Hitler did affect them. For transgenders you won't find a group of people who are affected. And just because his third statement has a certain meaning why does that mean you can entirely ignore his first question which makes your entire counter argument completely irrelevant?
But, that statement isn't true for everyone in the case of Hitler. For the Jews Hitler did affect them. For transgenders you won't find a group of people who are affected.
That's the flaw. 'You' aren't a part of any affected group.
And just because his third statement has a certain meaning why does that mean you can entirely ignore his first question which makes your entire counter argument completely irrelevant?
That's specifically what I answered. I'd recommend you read it again.
That's not what the question was asking and you should know that. All actions are classified with doing with your own life, so you should be trying to figure out what the question could be asking and not trying to eliminate what it is asking. Since your actions can control someone else's life the question is obviously implying that he is referring to actions that don't go on to affect someone else and only affect that person's life.
You of all people couldn't understand the question without the word "only"? Really? You are all about subtle and you need everything spelled it for you? Why is your only debate tactic complete dishonesty?
Suggesting that the proper qualifier was obvious just proves that you are a lying sack of shit. It is obvious to me exactly what the guy meant. It is obvious to me that Hitler did not qualify under his first question.
You are a sick fuck you know that, right? You think you can go around murdering 6 million Jews and claim you were living your life. Sick fucks like you need to be locked up. I hope they catch you before you kill anyone.
Your missing what you said "Why is it anyone else's business what someone else does with their life?" meaning that why should anyone care what one does with their own life you never said anything about the choices they make with there life effecting other people you simply said why is it anyone's business what someone else does with there life. your logic is so pitiful the fact I have to break it down and explain it to you like a kid certainly means you should- in my stead- delete your account.
So you're trying to slide by on a technicality? Pathetic. Not everything needs to be spelled out to you in bold, size 90 font so that your pitiful mind can understand it.
you never said anything about the choices they make with there life effecting other people
Re-read my comment you illiterate moron. "It doesn't affect you in any way."
Furthermore, I clarified my statement to Jatin, which perhaps you should have read if your chromosome deprived brain couldn't decipher my initial comment.
I do not retract my statement, nor does my opinion on the aforementioned deletion of your account change.
You indeed did say it does not effect you in anyway but that is after a period a different statement not part of the same one. therefore all you said was that why should we care yadayada and it does not effect you. also drop the illogical insults lol just goes to show how easily flustered and weak minded you are. Just use logic and let it show you don't need to be the internet tough guy here and call me a illiterate moron when I am clearly literate.
call me a illiterate moron when I am clearly literate.
Well, maybe not completely illiterate, but you certainly have some very large issues with grammar and spelling. You don't seem to know the difference between 'your' and 'you're', for example.
But, I digress - it is irrelevant what my original comment said if I clarified later on. Your "argument" if you could call it one is based on me not being clear enough. Well, now that I have clarified, are you going to desist from being an insufferable twit?
And there you go with insults again showing how illogical you really are. And I am currently neutral on this, I was arguing your poorly stated opinionated argument.
Don't be so thin skinned. It is not illogical to call an idiot and idiot. Therefore, by calling you an idiot, I am not being illogical.
There is nothing wrong with my statement. It was you who chose to compare being transgender with Adolf Hitler. It was you who misunderstood the meaning.
"my original comment said if I clarified later on"- said by you
if you had to clarify your original argument then yes there was something wrong with your argument. And in a debate using insults in anyway proves nothing. Adds nothing to the debate or your point so it is indeed illogical even if I was an idiot.
Mental disorder-Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. [A]
Being trans effect's the following things mood,thinking and behavior in the way that is a disorder
Disorder-disrupt the systematic functioning or neat arrangement of.[B]
The things listed are effected by ruining the systematic functions and neat arrangement of the human anatomy and a genders specific tendencies in life.
This question is illogical. Should trans-genders be legal ? Do you mean should people be allowed to modify their bodies and declare what they are? The answer is Yes. People can say whatever they want. I can I am white evem though I am clearly a dark skinned man sitting in a AP comparitive class. The only thing wrong here is your tolerance and something about you makes you uncomfortable to be around trans-gender people. Call it what you want. I'm not saying you have to like it. I'm just reminding you that they are people and like any other person you must tlhave tolerance. Is it really Godly to bash and suppress another human being because it makes you uncomfortable when they say I'm a banana? If you really have time to worry about what the next guy or girl is calling their junk then maybe you need a second job if you have the first one that is. Enjoy life and protest against something that really matters. FREE EXPRESSION!
Something which is innate and cannot be changed over time or over counseling, or rather something which is biologically embedded within you is beyond the jurisdiction of justification. To put it precisely, they are the creations of Mother Nature and maybe She wanted them to be the way they are. To Her, all her equal, and in a world where one who indulges in female infanticide steers clear from the pinions of law, judging the trans-genders is beyond crap.
Sure. If a dude feels like a bitch and wants to dress up as one, be my guest; it's none of my business. If a girl feels like a swinging dick and wants to dress and act accordingly, so be it. But, they still need to use the bathroom that corresponds to what they were born with.
