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Yes, less violent crimes! Hell no!

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Should we ever give up our right to bear arms and vice Versa?

right to arm bears and vice versa

Yes, less violent crimes!
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– MyPic Loudacris(779) Vote Up Vote Down
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From the NYT:

"Today the Supreme Court will hear arguments in a politically charged challenge to the District of Columbia’s gun control laws. The case poses a vital question: can cities impose reasonable controls on guns to protect their citizens? The court should rule that they can."

From the Bill of Rights:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

From my perspective, its pretty clear that guns in cities are not tied to militia service. Therefore, reasonable limits are acceptable.

Posted 104 days ago | Tagged As: Reasonable Controls OK
Supporting Evidence: The Supreme Court Considers Gun Control (www.nytimes.com)
– MyPic jal1337(30) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Definition of militia according to Princeton's WordNet: civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army.

The first part of the second amendment (and the only part you cite) says "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state." This basically says an army of civilians trained to like soldiers, but not actual soldiers, is necessary for our security. It's true, we should have civilians trained in the art of using weapons there for our security, instead of only relying on the police force or military our government provides us with.

The second part of the second amendment (the part you don't cite) says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This part says clear as day that we as people, have the right to not just keep our arms, but to also bear or use them. This goes hand in hand with the first part because a militia of citizens can't be armed without this second part.

If you read some quotes from the founding fathers, then you can see for yourselves just how they felt about owning guns.

"The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -Thomas Jefferson

"A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -Thomas Jefferson

Posted 102 days ago
– MyPic joecavalry(2026) Favored Vote Up Vote Down
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One up vote for the hard work (research). Really good quotes backing your argument.

Posted 100 days ago
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– MyPic Tamisan(428) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Because sex is not nearly as much fun to debate.

But feel free to make up some debates about sex and invite me.

Hey, it's the #1 pastime of humanity!

Posted 104 days ago | Tagged As: We all need a hobby
– MyPic Chicken(129) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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well seeing how the average male has an attention span of a 3 month old baby and the emotional capacity of a teaspoon its not that hard to tell. but these days its either sex, tv or food. not just sex...

Posted 103 days ago
– MyPic januscomplex(80) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Down voted for whining about this irrelevant shit here instead of actually starting a debate thread about exactly what you are talking about .

Posted 103 days ago
– MyPic ThePyg(507) Vote Up Vote Down
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no, for obvious reasons. as V said "The people shouldn't fear their government, the government should fear their people".

look at Cuba, they can't revolt against their government because they have no weapons, so instead they all just come here, or whore themselves to American tourists.

Our founding fathers gave us this right because the people must stay in control. the only way for the people to stay in control is to have superior strength. lets face it, in this day in age, that means superior fire power.

Posted 105 days ago
– MyPic HGrey87(187) Favored Vote Up Vote Down
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Ah, V was quoting Thomas Jefferson.

Are the people of Cuba very discontent? I'm not contradicting you, I'm really wondering. I had heard that this was American propaganda; The "refugees" who come here are simply in search of more money, due to a weak Cuban economy (caused by American policies in the first place). The Cuban I met said that most people there are pretty content with the way their country is run.

Posted 104 days ago
– MyPic ThePyg(507) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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well, most of my family came from there ;).

yeah, MOST hate it. i'm surrounded by them, and they all hate Castro and they all hate Communism. although, the ones who get here nowadays, even though they hate Castro's regime, still think in a communist way. they're so used to it, that they don't know why they hate it there in the first place. they just know it sucks.

Posted 104 days ago
– MyPic Hamandcheese(359) Vote Up Vote Down
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People who think gun control actually works haven't begun to research the subject. The worst shootings in recent history have taken place in so called "gun free zones," like schools and post offices. This is because these shooters can do their thing practically unabated. Imagine the conditions that elicit death in Virginia Tech were the same conditions around the country... When guns are criminalized, only the criminals will have the guns. People have the right and obligation to defend themselves.

Posted 104 days ago
Myth: Gun Control reduces crime
– MyPic Tenku(56) Favored Vote Up Vote Down
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The video you presented is very persuasive. Guns serve the function of keeping everyone equal. While it is the case that some people may use guns for malicious ends, if everyone had a gun, and assuming everyone wanted to preserve the peace, the risk of gun related violence would decrease.

Posted 104 days ago
– MyPic joecavalry(2026) Vote Up Vote Down
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We will need those guns once the revolution starts.

http://tinyurl.com/6caxn9

Posted 105 days ago
– MyPic altarion(726) Favored Vote Up Vote Down
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Lol. So true! So very true!

Posted 103 days ago
– MyPic Chicken(129) Vote Up Vote Down
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i think everyone should have the right to hang a pair of bear arms in their house/appartment

Posted 105 days ago
– MyPic Chicken(129) Vote Up Vote Down
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Remember, remember,

The 5th of November,

The gunpowder treason and plot.

I know of no reason,

Why the gunpowder treason,

Should ever be forgot.

how could this have happened if we didnt have the right to bear arms?

Posted 104 days ago
– MyPic dooleyjw(6) Vote Up Vote Down
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This shouldn't even be a debate.

Posted 104 days ago
– MyPic HGrey87(187) Vote Up Vote Down
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The problem is our culture. In Switzerland, gun ownership is Mandatory. Their murder rate is near zero, because their culture does not glorify violence.

Posted 104 days ago
– MyPic ThePyg(507) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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eh, maybe it's because it's mandatory?

plus, we have waaay more people and have much more access to weapons than other large civilizations. this is probably why more of us need to be armed. but not enough of us are armed, so there's more murder. also, since we have more people, there's more crazy people.

Posted 100 days ago
– MyPic ThoughtNu(97) Vote Up Vote Down
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When governments no longer use weapons as an effective tool, then the people might consider giving up such things. But when each and every government uses guns to not only assert their authority but to also acquire more property makes asking the people to ignore this fact of life and take a passive role in their own future...highly dubious.

Authority comes in one form on this planet, that is regrettably, with a weapon in ones hand ; MAD mutual assured destruction. How willing is a thief when they think the victim may be armed?

Odd how it is commonly overlooked that not one country would exist without guns.

Posted 103 days ago
– MyPic altarion(726) Vote Up Vote Down
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I don't think that is possible, because even if we do, VIVA LA BLACK MARKET! hahaha. it isn't ganna cut back on crime, but it'll increase the chance of a revolt against our government.

Posted 103 days ago
– MyPic dcovan(84) Vote Up Vote Down
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This is an easy argument for all the cliches: Guns don't kill people People kill people, and as Archie Bunker said "Would you rather someone push someone out of a window. "Bottom line murderers are going to kill regardless of how. Did you see the guy in Japan? Guns are a necessity to a free nation.

Posted 104 days ago
Supporting Evidence: Guy in Japan (news.yahoo.com)