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Kill the pirates Leave the pirates alone
Debate Score:55
Arguments:40
Total Votes:64
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Should we start a war on pirates?

Maybe you're sick and tired of the war on drugs and the war on terror and just want us to leave the damn pirates alone. 
I mean, they have a right to make a living, right?  Who are we to judge their way of life?  The pirates where there before us.

Maybe we have oppressed them long enough and now we are reapping our just rewards.  Maybe we insulted them or hurt their feelings by shooting their fellow pirates.  Maybe we should pay them some kind of retribution.  Give them a piece of the stimulous package. 

Maybe you want to vote for a pirate president who will visit them and show some solidarity with them, do the fist bump thing or something.

Or maybe you just want to blow up all of their ships.  Perhaps send a squadron of ninjas to kick their pirate ass.

Kill the pirates

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Leave the pirates alone

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3 points

We already are in a "war" with them. Every major country in NATO has navy ships patrolling the waters around Somalia. My sister is over there right now. She's kicking pirate ass. :) But it's hard to call it a war since the pirates aren't one unified cause. It's just a bunch of small groups of guerrilla naval warfare. And yes, I just made up a new type of war. Deal with it.

Side: Kill the pirates

Good Call MKIced! I like it a lot! Has kind of a ring to it don't you think?

Side: Kill the pirates
1 point

Have you looked into further into the Somalia issue? Much of what I've heard is it has to deal with the fishing industry and other countries exploitation of the terribly run Somalian government. Just some food for thought

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MKIced(2483) Disputed
1 point

It's really a lot of poor Somalian citizens going out to sea with bazookas and uzis, hijacking oil tankers, and not really being associated with any government. The Somalian government is very poorly run, and because of this they can't really deal with the pirates on their own.

Side: Kill the pirates

Maybe we can lump the pirates in with the terrorists and be done with it. ;)

Side: Kill the pirates
1 point

There really aren't any 'good' pirates that I can name off the top of my head. Only savage, primitive, and extremely skilled people hijacking boats and killing people. Sound like people you would invite to the superbowl party at Joe's house? Probably not. There really are no good qualities with pirates so why not kill all of them sons of bitches?

Of course we cannot declare ' war ' on pirates. That is just ludicrous, since pirates are all on different ships in almost no relation to each other. We can set out on a mission to suppress all of the pirates on the planet though! =]

Side: Kill the pirates

why dont we just nuke their country? just kidding. i know they do not have a country. but seriously, i dont think that they should just be alowed to run around and screw with americans or any other country.

Side: Kill the pirates

We are at war with them...they are out of control. No one is safe from them.

Side: they brought this on themselves

Should we send Ninjas in after them or Apaches? Maybe both ;)

Side: Kill the pirates
DaWolfman(3321) Disputed
1 point

Thats not funny.

Cherokees are much much better fighters.

Side: Leave the pirates alone
1 point

For those that have been watching the news the pirates have been holding American lives hostage, taking their ships, and than taking it back to the place where they have all the other people and stolen guns, and transportation and starting today they said that they will start to kill the hostages in parts until the demands are met.

Side: Kill the pirates

They may not have caused that many problems from American ships, but they are causing problems in Europe and Asia. Our economy relies heavily on them. Especially Asia. I think we ought to blast their filthy ships out of the water and shoot them until their feet quit kicking.

Side: Kill the pirates

Pirates cost countries and shipping industries billions of dollars and besides we and other NATO countries are already killing the pirates.

Side: Kill the pirates

I looked a little deeper into the situation and some are saying that there has been an exploitation of their Fish industry and that countries having been dumping nuclear waste into their waters. Because the Somalian government is so poorly run this goes on constantly. There is always more to a story than what the American News media puts out there. If this is true then I say help the Somalian government gain control over these issues and the pirates will then disband.

three links: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/you-are-being-lied-to-abo_b_155147.html

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/04/overfishing-pirates-phillips-somali.php

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/world/ africa/01pirates.html?_r=2&ref;=world&oref;=slogin

Side: Leave the pirates alone
2 points

You cannot declare war on individuals! You cannot declare war on a tactic! We are in a recession, the pirates are doing what they can, we should be doing the same, but that doesn't mean we need to be fighting with pirates.

List of U.S. Ships attacked by Somali Pirates:

-MV Seabourn Spirit: Cruise Ship (Capture Failed)

-USS Cape St. George (CG-71): Ticonderoga-class cruiser (Capture Failed)

-USS Gonzalez (DDG-66): Arleigh Burke-class destroyer (Capture Failed)

-MS Nautica: Cruise Ship (Capture Failed)

-MV Maersk Alabama: Cargo Vessel (Crew Regained Control)

That is literally 5% of the ships effected (that are reported, so it may be much less (%)), American. It's not our business, just let Europe take care of it.

Side: Leave the pirates alone
0 points

Yes we can. We can send our military over there & destroy them.

We are in a recession because of that bail out. The pirates made it worse by stealing our ships.

How can you stick up for these assholes?

Lets just destroy them. A couple apaches will be enough for the job.

Side: Kill the pirates
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
2 points

It's called practicality. It's not "sticking up" for them, it's letting someone else deal with the problem. Like I've said, 5 American owned and or operated vessels have been effected out of 100 or more. We have no business over there anyway, let another country take care of it themselves. IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.

Destroying them would cost us more money and time that we shouldn't be dedicating to something that isn't our problem.

Side: Leave the pirates alone
2 points

Did you just say that we are in a recession BECAUSE of the bailout??? You can't be that ignorant of the facts. Just wow.

Side: Leave the pirates alone
Cerin(203) Disputed
1 point

Yeah, great idea. Let's send a 100 million dollar warship and million dollar war planes to combat a couple of morons in a $100 motorboat brandishing Soviet-era weapons.

If your house had a terminate infestation, would you just nuke the neighbourhood?

You can't fight a high-tech war against low-tech opponents. We'll win initially, but the economics are against us.

Side: Leave the pirates alone
1 point

Leave the pirates alone, we've already seen how much they piss off the terrorists... by hijacking oil rigs. That's not the point. The enemy of my enemy is my friend until my enemy is gone then I'll go stab him in the back.

Side: Leave the pirates alone
MKIced(2483) Disputed
1 point

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Well sometimes that's true, but other times it's not. What about a hate triangle? Or a game of rock, paper, scissors? The rock hates the paper because the paper kills it and it hates the scissors because it can kill them. That's kind of like the enemy of it's enemy.

Side: Kill the pirates
1 point

The pirates ARE terrorists!

We need to send a couple of our apaches to exterminate those pirates.

How can you support those pirates?

Side: Kill the pirates
Warlin(1212) Disputed
1 point

Because pirates are sea terrorists and don't have an agenda to dismantle the united states and/or strike fear into the hearts of millions???

I was being silly though. D:

Side: Leave the pirates alone

OK, so let me make sure I understand what you're saying, we should send a couple of Apaches to exterminate those pirates, right? ;)

Side: Kill the pirates