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Yeah because they teach kids to fear, now fear can work as it does but what happens when they no longer fear, this is when logic and reason has to step in, a human needs to do right not because of fear but because it is right, this is something religions do not teach.
Oh I don't think so. I think it's working for the most part. Pope Francis has even said not to judge gays and Atheists how much better of a teacher could we find?
You know Jesus that fella whose teachings your meant to follow he said many many years ago not to judge anybody but that didn't stop you but now your pope has said be cool to gays now you no longer think of them as sexual deviants, you shouldn't of been judging them in the first place Jesus said that!! Nor should you be judging Muslims, these are Jesus' rules or are you waiting for the popes permission? If you listen to the Popes teachings more than the teachings of Jesus your not a very good Christian.
First the Muslims in the Middle East want everyone to be Muslim they are the expansionist ones so they are in my way. Second the Pope is God's representative on earth we follow him as we would Jesus. Now in the Bible it says being gay is a sin so this lead Christians to view gays as sinners and thus judge them harshly (again hate being the default human reaction to difference) but the Pope is now saying stop that and reminding us of what Jesus said.
We all need reminding of things occasionally but a christian should not need as much reminding of the teachings of their founder as some seem to I find that sad that people are unwilling to seek the truth for themselves. You could be onto something with the hate being man's default setting when faced with something different, although I think the setting is fear which if not faced leads to hate, difference should be explored and experienced that way we learn about the other people in the world and by learning we will fear less, by fearing less we will hate less. Hate is a negative energy with less negative energy in the world it has to become a nicer place to live.
Okay but your just stating the obvious. Yes the world would be a better place if we all stopped hating one another but I disagree with your point on learning about other cultures being a way of preventing hate simply because I think that in some cases two cultures are so different that the more one learns about the other the worse the culture being observed looks to the observing culture. For instance my intense dislike of Islam only grows the more I learn about them simply because the morals in their culture and the morals in mine don't match up so I view them as immoral savages and they view us as the same. Some cultures just won't get along because they simply are to different. Hate is just something that will always exist unless one day the world develops a single culture and finds a way to successfully eradicate and suppress all others.
If all you learn and believe is the bad then of course you are going to believe people of a different culture to be a bunch of fucked up savages. If the outside world believed everything the press said about america they'd think all Americans were obese, fucked up religious, paranoid, gun nuts who regularly shoot up schools, is that true?
I've found that you can only learn so much via education study etc but the real world is where your education about people and the world happens and with travel and meeting people of different cultures you'll find they aren't that different and your hate is misplaced but that can only come if your open minded to new experiences, meeting new people and a bit of travel helps.
I say show me some sources proving it. I've researched the topic before and most of the studies I found have show the more religious a country or state is the more crime they have. However there are also some studies that show the opposite. The problem is it's nearly impossible to determine if religiosity has an effect on crime because there is no way to account for the myriad of other factors that could influence it, plus correlation does not equal causation. Here is a quick summary of some of the more well known studies on the subject.
According to the US Department of Justice less than 1% (0.07% to be exact) of the prison population identifies as atheist. However, this is only a census of prisoners willing to give their religious affiliations, so it's not going to be 100% accurate. Getting an accurate count would be nearly impossible because there is no way to know if people are telling the truth or if they converted/deconverted after entering the prison system.
All I know is that's what it said in the text book. I'm not saying its true I'm not saying its false but there is a general consensus among Criminologists that being religious makes you less likely to commit crimes.
"When it's said to be proven, one ought to wonder, who were those convinced; and certainly you shouldn't yet be one too, unless you've reviewed evidence." ~atypican
I can only comment from experience but I found that when I was a kid people did what was needed to fit in, irrespective of home life or upbringing. I knew a lot of kids with no religious background who were the best behaved and hardest working and some kids whose whole family were staunch Christians and they were real hooligans and a whole mixture in between. I also knew people who went to a very religious Catholic school run by nuns, their families were also strict catholics and pillars of the community and a bigger den of thieves and hooligans you never did meet. In the end I think with kids peer pressure is going to be the biggest cause of juvenile crime or prevention of because a lot of kids will do what their friends do regardless of the best efforts of parents.
And that point is also brought up in the textbook peer pressure is one of the leading causes. However there is a general consensus among Criminologists that religious up bringing deters criminal acts.
I am currently reading it. But I cant find the page that tells about the factors that religion affects in terms of delinquency. Can you point out the page?
It doesn't really go into detail about it. It just talks about things that experts say prevent juvenile delinquency and religious upbringing is one of them.
Shhhhhhhhhhh...... don't tell that to atheists.... now they can't use their irrelevant arguments about religion being false because it leads to bad things. I was content with laughing at that argument, because of the obvious non sequitur, but now none of them are going to use it..... Shhhhhhh
I've never seen an atheist say that religion is false because it leads to bad things. They may say religion is false and it leads to bad things, but that's very different than saying it's false because it leads to bad things. Do you have some examples of someone saying that?
Still the focus of my class was solely on criminology and fixes to crime as opposed to your which was about human behavior in general. Also my professor is an retired MP and Anaheim Police officer.
As with a lot of people on here, I wish to see sources myself. However, even if this was true, a point Warjin makes, is a morality based upon religion, even an efficient one, can become very fragile. Morality dependent upon religion, is doing the right thing for the wrong reason, and I'd rather see people doing the right thing for the right reason than people doing the right thing for the wrong reason, as well as I'd like to see people doing the right thing for the wrong reason than people do the wrong thing. If we allow religion to hijack morality like this, than we will never learn to do the right thing, for the right reason.
That isn't the wrong reason, but the secular have that reason themselves too, therefore religion doesn't provide that reason. That is a morality based on secular reasoning, a religion based on religious reasons, aren't very good reasons.
You don't need religion to come up with morality, morality is something you can come up with on their own. Secular families like mine (they aren't atheist, in fact I'm a little bit of a "black sheep" as an atheist in the family, they are spiritualists), have morals, I developed my own morality even though I was never introduced to any religion, my parents didn't teach me these morals, not directly at least, my morality is of my own design? How did I develope it without religion. Religion didn't invent morality, I fail to see how religion invented it. Morality has existed way before religion ever existed, and will exist way after.
The morals that exists in our society and that you learned through existing in our society are based on the religion that was populace at our society's founding AKA Christianity.
Someone carrying out a legal medical procedure is a doctor someone who kills that doctor because his religion disagrees with the procedure is a murderer, there is a difference.
Do you or do you not agree with the murder of doctors who carry out abortions? A lot of Christians support the murder of abortionists and some believe they are doing Gods work by doing so.
How do you know which doctors are doing abortions to save women's lives and their future reproductive capacity and which are doing it for other reasons?
Or, do you think women should not have abortions even if it means they may be severely injured or killed by some pregnancies (e.g. ectopic)?
and fertility clinics that create 5 or 6 blastocysts so they can implant the 2-3 with the best chance - are they murderers of those other blastocysts or people that help people have children who otherwise can't??
How did we get on fertility clinics? We are talking about murdering children that were created through God's designed proses. Not artificial insimination. Stay focused
Murder is murder and murder must be punished. These abortionists are murderers they commit infanticide in exchange for payment. Just because the algal system has been corrupted to a degree where they now differentiate between infanticide or fetuscide if you prefer and murder and refuse to punish one of the other it doesn't make either act right or less deserving of punishment. And if religious people are the only ones who think this then they are the only truly moral people on earth.
At issue at this point is your definition of murder. Why is it murder to kill a fertilized egg inside the womb ("created through God's designed proses[sic]"), but not murder to kill a fertilized egg created outside the womb for possible use for in vitro fertilization?
Not all religion is the same though christianity for the most part is very peaceful. Do we have our crazes sure but even they rarely do any thing worse than picketing funerals.