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Socialism is meritocratic, capitalism is crap
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In socialism you are rewarded for working and having good ideas I don’t believe that holds true in Algeria , Angola or Bangladesh all countries which have declared themselves socialist . Of course you can resort to fallacious reasoning now as in the usual default position of the average armchair Commie by using the no true Scotsman fallacy ......Do you want me to explain that for you? In capitalism you are rewarded for being born into a rich family and investing in the product of other people's work That’s a very lazy and typically uneducated statement from a typical armchair Commie , so in your view the only people who succeed in a capitalist system are from rich families? Keep telling yourself this nonsense as it gives you an excuse to remain the uneducated and no doubt unemployed commie you are Of course you can resort to fallacious reasoning now as in the usual default position of the average armchair Commie by using the no true Scotsman fallacy You crapshitholeists are the first to say "but it's not a REAL free market" whenever someone points out the flaws of capitalist countries. The thing is, capitalism is literally defined as a system wherein the means of production are privately owned and industry is run by private owners for profit. This means that croney capitalism and plutocracy are still capitalism. Socialism however, is when the means of production are collectively managed and publicly owned. Which means that the state controlling things is not socialism, even if it calls itself socialism. You crapshitholeists are the first to say "but it's not a REAL free market" whenever someone points out the flaws of capitalist countries. Capitalist systems have flaws I never disputed this. The thing is, capitalism is literally defined as a system wherein the means of production are privately owned and industry is run by private owners for profit. I own my own business I worked hard and did not come from a position of privilege there are plenty more like me , of course I work for profit everyone does so This means that croney capitalism and plutocracy are still capitalism. Socialism however, is when the means of production are collectively managed and publicly owned. Which means that the state controlling things is not socialism, even if it calls itself socialism. Ah yes back to that anything that doesn’t resemble your utopian of socialism isn’t it .....got ya I own my own business I worked hard and did not come from a position of privilege Good for you, what kind of business do you do? of course I work for profit everyone does so Do you think what is profitable within a socially constructed system is always the most logical thing to do from a purely existential perspective? Should the course of human events leading into the future be steered by what a few wealthy and powerful individuals deem to be most profitable for themselves? utopian That word has become very triggering for me. I am sick of right wingers offending my safe space with that word. Utopia implies perfection, which is something that does not exist. I am more of the school of thought that society will always evolve and new conditions will always arise. Good for you, what kind of business do you do? I bought into a fast food franchise Do you think what is profitable within a socially constructed system is always the most logical thing to do from a purely existential perspective? Humans are far from perfect people do what they have to do according to their skill sets and abilities Should the course of human events leading into the future be steered by what a few wealthy and powerful individuals deem to be most profitable for themselves? But we all do what is most profitable for ourselves within reason ( mostly )do you turn down a pay rise or a promotion? That word has become very triggering for me. Socialists are to blame because they talk about this system which they put forward as perfection , criticism is never encouraged I am sick of right wingers offending my safe space with that word. Safe space? That’s a very touchy feely phrase for a socialist . Utopia implies perfection, which is something that does not exist. I am more of the school of thought that society will always evolve and new conditions will always arise. Well yes society is ever evolving and conditions always arise That’s a very lazy and typically uneducated statement from a typical armchair Commie , so in your view the only people who succeed in a capitalist system are from rich families? Shut up you retarded ignoramus. It is possible to succeed without being born into wealth, but certain people are handed wealth simply for being born while others are put at a massive disadvantage. I prefer a system of equal opportunity, which you people like to strawman as equality of outcome. Shut up you retarded ignoramus You’re a terrible debater aren’t you? I see you attack anyone who disagrees with your infantile views. . It is possible to succeed without being born into wealth, Yes .....Is that a light bulb moment for you? but certain people are handed wealth simply for being born while others are put at a massive disadvantage Yes , some people are born into shitholes like the Congo this is surprisingly how the world is can you think about it and try and work out how that is? I prefer a system of equal opportunity, How does that work? which you people like to strawman as equality of outcome. You people? I never made any such statement but that seems to be one of your other tactics when the thing you call a brain lets you down again Bangladesh is possibly among the top 5 'most pure capitalist' nations on Earth. Not according to themselves How can anyone call it socialist, even itself Why don’t you ask them? Herein lies the problem no one can define what socialism or socialists are because once one deviates from what the OP terms “socialism “ well then that’s not it that how this game works Herein lies the problem no one can define what socialism or socialists are Socialism is when the means of production are owned by the community, rather than private owners or the state. This is what socialism has always meant until right wing revisionists changed it to mean "lots of government and bad stuff". Socialism is when the means of production are owned by the community, rather than private owners or the state Ahhh , so each community has a mini government in place to ensure all is fair? . This is what socialism has always meant until right wing revisionists changed it to mean "lots of government and bad stuff" It certainly didn’t always mean that and still doesn’t no one has worked out exactly what it means , give me an example of a socialist state?. Ahhh , so each community has a mini government in place to ensure all is fair? No. It certainly didn’t always mean that and still doesn’t no one has worked out exactly what it means Actually what's going on is that you have no historical or philosophical understanding of socialism because everything you've heard about it came from propaganda and biased capitalists. Socialism is as I described it, that was what Marx and those before him defined it as. Only the ideological enemies of socialism define it as you do. I might as well say that capitalism is an economic system wherein all toddlers are appropriated to the pedophile goblin sex dungeon to be molested. give me an example of a socialist state?. USSR in it's earlier days. No. How is fairness achieved? How are various tasks and works done in the community without any one to instruct or plan etc , etc? Actually what's going on is that you have no historical or philosophical understanding of socialism because everything you've heard about it came from propaganda and biased capitalists. That’s a purely egotistical rant based on nothing but your supposed understanding of what constitutes socialism no doubt informed by the local guru in the local 20 member party. Socialism is as I described it, that was what Marx and those before him defined it as. You would say that wouldn’t you ,you change meanings to suit your narrative Only the ideological enemies of socialism define it as you do. Of course you guys see enemies everywhere I might as well say that capitalism is an economic system wherein all toddlers are appropriated to the pedophile goblin sex dungeon to be molested. Yes you possibly would but your ignorance and lack of education would possibly explain why you think that way? USSR in it's earlier days. USSR in its early days the 1920s was ruled by Stalin , thank you for clarifying what a true Socialist state looks like http://www.createdebate.com/user/points/ This guy downvoted you, look at the timing of the -1 and the debate. |
