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 Society would be better off living in the ancient era. (19)

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Society would be better off living in the ancient era.

I believe that it is better for society to abide in the "rural times."

Meaning, the ages where electronics did not exist. The era where library's, and jails, and malls were absent.

Why?

I say this because death rates are extremely higher than they were before.

Over the last 900 years. It's approximated that death rates have increased 78% on a day to day basis aside from war.

The dramatic change is severe.

Also, the way people act today are damaging the future inhabitants of the earth, and years for the human population to recreate. 
Invulnerable acts; Such as, Littering, Harvesting (Without Rest.), and chemically injected products are crucially messing up the earth we live in.

Wouldn't it be easier to live in a time where peace abides more than not?

Now, we have to clinch on to dear mercy every time our kids leave the house with a car. (They'd walk, or use cattle. A much more safe way of transportation. Horse Deaths average about 0.0.0.1% out of 100 each year. Meanwhile, car averages range from 34%-41* yearly.

Now, we have to make long-stressful phone calls for customer service. (Walk to the neighbor and verbally make contact with them to discuss an issue.) 

Now, we must fear the invasion of privacy, theft, or murder. (Before, goods were not seen as things that should be stolen, but things that are shared between the community and village. Of course, selfish people will continue to exist. Though, that's not a forced way of living. It's a character flaw. 

Now, we must save up lots of money for a home, years of work.... (Before, individuals would build small, compatible sized shelters for them and their families. 

It's predictable to say that the human race has became lazy, and as a product. The Earth is recognizing the change, and is not taking it so well. It's so bad to the point that we may not exist in the next few decades or centuries. 
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I believe that it is better for society to abide in the "rural times."

In those times, we made advancements that lead us to where we are now in an attempt to solve the problems that existed then. It's ironic that you think undoing that is the way to solve the problems we have now.

Meaning, the ages where electronics did not exist. The era where library's, and jails, and malls were absent.

You are talking like Pol Pot, someone I have been compared to even though I am the exact opposite. There is another way, the way not of the present or the past but the future.

I say this because death rates are extremely higher than they were before.

That's because there are more people now.

Also, the way people act today are damaging the future inhabitants of the earth, and years for the human population to recreate.

Invulnerable acts; Such as, Littering, Harvesting (Without Rest.), and chemically injected products are crucially messing up the earth we live in.

These are problems of capitalism and the limitations of our technology. If and when we advance technologically to the extent that we can have entirely clean energy programs and whatnot, we can actually use technology to fix the environment. The answer is innovation, not regression. If society were to return to the old ways the cycle would simply repeat and we would have overall less of a chance as a species.

Furthermore, if our society wasn't revolving entirely around the profit motive there would be much less incentive to recklessly shit all over the environment.

Wouldn't it be easier to live in a time where peace abides more than not?

There never was such a time. The way to peace is through learning reason and creating a culture of reason. Not reverting back to less advanced methods of killing each other but keep the same thought process that leads to violence.

Now, we have to clinch on to dear mercy every time our kids leave the house with a car. (They'd walk, or use cattle. A much more safe way of transportation. Horse Deaths average about 0.0.0.1% out of 100 each year. Meanwhile, car averages range from 34%-41 yearly.

You know what else increases the likelihood of death? Not having access to modern medical techniques and living in a time when diseases were thought to come from demons.

Now, we have to make long-stressful phone calls for customer service. (Walk to the neighbor and verbally make contact with them to discuss an issue.)

Would you rather deal with customer service or chase mammoths with a pointy stick and a torch for 3 days straight without sleeping or eating in the hopes that you can drag enough meat back to your village before your family starves to death?

Now, we must fear the invasion of privacy, theft, or murder.

This shit has happened since forever.

(Before, goods were not seen as things that should be stolen

Yes they were, but not in a modern sense. Before we invented the social construct of owning things what you "owned" was decided by what you could take and defend.

but things that are shared between the community and village.

It wasn't like that in every case, there are many different ways a tribe can work. Many tribes operate like an authoritarian theocracy or monarchy and there are wars and conflicts with other tribes as well.

Of course, selfish people will continue to exist. Though, that's not a forced way of living. It's a character flaw.

Yes, you are encouraged to be selfish in capitalism. You are encouraged to be selfish in natural selection as well (although capitalism is far from natural selection and often selects the most negative traits specifically).

The character flaw is caused by the environment. If mutual benefit was built into the system in which we live there would be no selfishness, because being selfish in a way that harms others would not be in your self interest to begin with.

Now, we must save up lots of money for a home, years of work.... (Before, individuals would build small, compatible sized shelters for them and their families.*

Capitalism and technological limitations. 200 years from now we will be 3D printing environmentally friendly mega structures that are owned by everyone collectively.

Mingiwuwu(1785) Clarified
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Probably the only post you ever made that made me rethink my stance on you being naive and simplistic.

Blood(218) Disputed
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Probably the only post you ever made that made me rethink my stance on you being naive and simplistic.

You think I'm naive because I think humanity can progress much further than most people can imagine. You think I'm simplistic because I've never taken the time to explain my shit to you in full detail because I feel like it's a waste of effort and time.

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Nonsense , our current world is the safest it’s ever been death rates from violence have been in the decrease for thousands of years.

This rose tinted view of how our ancestors lived is a myth there lives were ones of mostly hardship , misery , and sickness mostly , to believe the majority lived is some kind of Utopian wonderland is pure hogwash

jamesbody(306) Disputed
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Nonsense , our current world is the safest it’s ever been death rates from violence have been in the decrease for thousands of years.

I don't think you've thought this one through. Seventy million people died in World War 2. We haven't evolved socially at the same rate that we've evolved technologically, so most of our new technology has been centred on finding better ways to kill large numbers of people quickly. The very fact that most of the deadliest conflicts in history happened in the last century reveals how misleading it is to say that there has been a decrease in violence. I don't buy that for a moment and even if it is true it is balanced out by the fact that wars are now considerably more deadly than they ever were.

Jody(1241) Disputed
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I don’t know why you assume each time that you’re the only one who gives these topics thought , if your assessment is correct and your argument convincing I can take that and accept it as so.

But socially we are evolving as we are in fact becoming less violent the world is a far less dangerous place than it was , a scholarly well researched book by Stephen Pinker makes the case pretty well to me anyway , here is a link with relevant stats and links ......

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ excellent-beauty/201607/is-the-world-more-dangerous-now-ever

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/11/news-isis-syria-headlines-violence-steven-pinker

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The very fact that most of the deadliest conflicts in history happened in the last century reveals how misleading it is to say that there has been a decrease in violence. I don't buy that for a moment

Probably better keep the Marxist and Islamic nations at check, eh Nom?

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More people die now than before because there are more people who live past the age of five, making it possible for there to be more people (who will of course, eventually die of something.)

Because death is inevitable, that is not a very good way to compare different eras. It is possibly more instructive to compare quality of life.

- 1 - Plumbing

I really like reliably clean running water, particularly hot showers. That did not become widely available until the 20th Century.

I like crapping and pissing indoors, especially because the running water makes indoor toilets reasonably clean and odor-free, and much more convenient than going outside to an outhouse in the middle of a rainy night, and much cleaner than using a chamber pot. Now indoor toilets are common worldwide.

- 2 - Food

I really like food that is not spoiled, but dependable refrigeration was not available until the 20th Century.

Ice cream was occasionally available in the 18th Century, but only rarely, and only in places with cold enough winters that there was sufficient ice to save into the warmer months. Since the beginning of the 20th Century, ice cream has been available year round, and as technology and economies have developed, it has become ever more widely available.

Likewise the availability of fresh fruits and vegetables, and meat has made good nutrition commonplace, bringing with it the health benefits. This is the result of a 20th Century explosion in refrigeration, transportation, and farming technology.

- 3 - Health and Medicine

I like the benefits that are downstream of germ theory, like not getting polio or tetanus.

I am definitely fond of the advances in medicine since the turn of the 20th Century. I can go to the local drug store, and for $20 over the counter) buy better medical care than was available to kings 150 years ago.

Neosporine is much better than gangrene, sepsis, or amputation as the result of a minor scratch.

Antifungal creams for athlete's foot, jock itch, and yeast infection make an enormous difference in our quality of life.

Non-prescription and prescription glasses, both only widely available (to people who are not in the top 10-15% of incomes) since the 19th Century in the US & Europe, and since the 20th Century worldwide. Seeing clearly for a low price makes independent and productive living possible, particularly after 50 or 60 years old, for many hundreds of millions of people.

I could go on and on and on.

Even without the developments of computer and communication technology, the availability of music, drama, and art, etc., more people have better lives in extremely basic aspects than even as recently as the mid 1800s.

Places most folks think of as inexcusably poor are where the people are living like people did in ancient times.

Seriously, would you want to live in Haiti?

You should learn more about the ancient Romans ;)