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Someone please explain how socialism and liberalism are OPPOSING ideologies?

Nomenclature says I don't understand because I am a bag of fuckwits.
I probably just don't understand because it makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE

Logic

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Nomenclature likes to dump everything into one of two baskets because he's a mindless, limited, linear thinker.

The fact is that your average person knows dog shit about politics, isn't an ideologue, and doesn't know hardly anything about "left wing vs. right wing" or "liberal vs. conservative", and on and on.

The fact is that societies can and do manifest that are combinations of the two, and some can and have manifested that are neither, such as Egypt, who thought the Pharoah was a god, or North Korea, which is like some kind of Fatboy cabbage patch kid cult, or the wild west, which was run by vigilante justice.

The fact is that a country can manifest that is nationalist and socialist. A country can manifest that is highly religious and socialist. A country can manifest that is white supremacist and socialist. A country can manifest that is run by Sharia Law and is socialist. A country can manifest that thinks homosexuality is a sin, that migrants are reptilian aliens, and that their leader made the moon out of cookie dough, and be socialist.

The point? Nom is a brainless, wankless, crotchless panty waste.

Side: Logic
JoeBlogs(-8) Disputed
1 point

Stop it Bronto, you neo nazi wanker! You know fully well that socialism and liberalism are opposing ideologies that are left and right and up and down wing! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!

Side: Alternative logic
5 points

Oh calm down nom. You look like a deranged lunatic.*

Side: Logic
pizzakitty(68) Disputed
1 point

Sounds like you are a raging liberal who needs to calm down and stop denying what is under your nose.

Side: Logic
NicolasCage(506) Disputed
1 point

doesn't know hardly anything

So they do know a lot of things?

Side: Alternative logic
5 points

That was the only bullet you had in the chamber eh "Nick"? I might as well put down the shield if all you have are tomatoes...

Side: Logic
-1 points

Progressivism is synonymous with democratic socialism, but classical liberalism or libertarianism is synonymous with minarcho-capitalism.

Side: Logic
1 point

Hello, whoever you're pretending to be today:

Right wingers LOVE socialism too.. It's either that, or you're too stupid to understand exactly what socialism is... Let's just take your local fire department as an example.. You LIKE it, right?? It's socialism personified...

I'm NOT gonna explain that to you because if you deny that your fire department IS socialism, you have no fucking clue what socialism is..

Over to you, fascist.

excon

Side: Alternative logic
KemitPrince(8) Disputed
1 point

@excon

Sounds like you are just trying to condescend to someone you think is a conservative. The question is are they OPPOSING ideologies not if they are the same thing. Socialism is inherently left wing, a MOSTLY conservative system can have socialist elements, but that makes them LESS right wing in and of itself even if they are generally right wing.

Side: Logic
TzarPepe(793) Disputed
1 point

I don't think it's fair to call people stupid for not understanding socialism in that way.

I think it is pretty easy to hear something like "abolish private property", and instantly put up a defense against something so heinous.

Side: Logic
1 point

Democratic Socialism has done well in America for years. I wouldn't want Communistic Socialism, which is a contrary use of terms. Our country has RUN on socialistic ways for years. Like Bernie? I do. He's just a bit TOO enthusiastic for me, tone him down to a slightly more realistic "socialist", and I would have voted for him.

You, Bronto, have a twisted, cultivated, right wing definition of socialism imbedded in your .. um ... "gray matter". I feel sorry for your handicap. (All of them).

Side: Alternative logic
5 points

Democratic Socialism has done well in America for years. I wouldn't want Communistic Socialism

1)Too bad. The left keeps pushing further towards Communism. Put on your seatbelt.

2)Why is it that you addressed me by name in your dialogue when you aren't responding to anything I said?

Side: Logic
AlofRI(2794) Clarified
2 points

1)I might point out that it wasn't Democrats that had Communist leaders in the Oval Office.

2) I might point out that it isn't Democrats that refuse to admit to communist medaling in our election.

3) I might point out that it isn't Democrats that praise communists as "great leaders".

4) I might point out that it wasn't Democrats that were "assisted" to elected office.

5) I might point out that it was comrade Trump who GAVE Syria to Putin.

"The left keeps pushing further towards communism"?? What planet are you from????

Side: Logic
1 point

@FactMachine.

How is it possible that you can use Google to find an online thesaurus or an insult generator, yet cannot use Google to find stuff like this?

Comparing and Contrasting John Locke and Karl Marx

http://www.academia.edu/4251693/Comparing andContrastingJohnLockeandKarl_Marx

Comparison of Marx and Locke : Views on Government, Property and Labor

http://www.articlemyriad.com/comparison-marx-locke-views-government-property-labor/

I might have an idea what the problem is. Check your Google search settings and see if you have checked the option to filter out intelligent thought.

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KemitPrince(8) Disputed
1 point

We are talking about socialism and liberalism not communism and capitalism you bonobo buggerer.

So again, please explain how liberalism and socialism OPPOSE each other.. I know they are two different things, the thing is they are on the same end of the political spectrum and they go hand in hand. The more liberal you are, the more socialist you tend to be.

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joebloggs Disputed
1 point

We are talking about socialism and liberalism not communism and capitalism you bonobo buggerer

Oh Jesus Christ you're just so UNFATHOMABLY stupid. Liberalism was built from the ideas of John Locke, who was a capitalist. It is responsible for the theory of Keynesian economics. Contemporary socialism is built from the ideas of Karl Marx, who was a Communist.

It says CLEARLY in the links that I have given you, that Locke's liberalism opposes Marx's Communism in several major areas, including personal property rights.

You are so fucking STUPID, that you would sooner just try to think of a good "comeback" than actually read information which will elevate you intellectually from the spectacular level of ignorance required to believe that socialism is the same thing as liberalism.

You are a spectacular fucking retard, and that is why you spend all your time here spamming the board with stupid, childish bullshit.

Just fuck off, you clown.

Side: Alternative logic

I hate juvenile cynicism. Just debate and not insult.

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Liberals can be socialist but “liberalism “ refers more to abortion rights, gay rights, religious freedom, etc.... conservatives are Usually capitalist but it more refers to conservatism on religion and forcing kids to prey in public school and caveman/change fearing Knuckle dragging ideas like that.

>>just keep in mind that even in Russia (very socialist economy), homophobia and violence toward homosexuals is on steroids there! Also - Nazis were “socialist “ but still believed in private business and property ownership. But talk about conservative on race (wow).

Hope that helps

Side: Alternative logic

They certainly cross over. I wouldn't call them opposing, but I definitely wouldn't call them the same.

Most forms of socialism would agree with social liberalism, however economic liberalism (if we're going by the modern use of that term) is kind of... all over the place. Modern liberalism doesn't really address the economy, it's more about social rights and values.

Socialism, however, is more economical in its thinking, though some of those economics do cross over into the social aspects of a country.

Side: Alternative logic
5 points

Modern liberalism doesn't really address the economy, it's more about social rights and values

Seeing everyone has the same rights, who in their right mind would want the government involved in such matters? Not me. Of course I don't trust politicians to correctly dictate "values" to the rest of us...

And if it has no answers or philosophies on the economy, it's nothing more than a piece of trash.

Side: Logic

Like you said in your other comment, politics and ideologies aren't linear and fixed.

Liberalism isn't really something you can base a government off of on its own, but you can combine ideas from it with conservative ideas, or socialist, or left-wing, etc. You can definitely be a socially liberal conservative.

Side: Logic
1 point

They're opposing ideologies in American conservatives' minds because most American conservatives are fucking retards.

Hope that clears it up for you.

Side: Alternative logic
0 points

They are not opposing ideologies, they are just different ideologies. You can be a liberal socialist, infact you can't have liberalism without a bit of socialism but you can have non-liberal socialism if you have an authoritarian socialism.

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NumberOne(445) Disputed
0 points

They are not opposing ideologies

@FactMachine

The links which were provided to you demonstrate very clearly that they are opposing ideologies. Ignoring them, swapping accounts and repeating the exact same debunked premise over and over again doesn't make you right. It just makes you a retard.

The right to own personal property is a central tenet of liberalism. The opposite is true of socialism, which is about public rather than private ownership. This is simply one example of many known to anybody who has ever read anything about either ideology. It is interesting that you argue so much about things which you not only obviously know nothing about, but which you also point blank refuse to learn about.

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RawMeat(2) Disputed
1 point

You lack the fatty acids and vitamin K-2 if you think that socialism and liberalism are somewoh setisoppo

They are not the oppsoite anymore than communism and socialism are opposite, they are different but thy vare on the same end of the fucking spectrum you nutrient deficient carb addicted bread eater.

You need to ketogenic eating a raw meat and maybe the DHA and organs makes you not so fucking stupid

Side: Alternative logic