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Split America into 5 sub-countries!
so most people by now know that donald j. trump, aka douchebag von buttface sr., has won the election .many people are upset and jumping off of buildings, ive heard .but many people would be equally upset if hillary, aka crooked lucifer, were to win .what is the solution ?
the problem is that people have very different opinions of what is good, and they dont change .in most cases, there is no real compromise !either abortion is legal ,or not .either weapons are unrestrticted, or not .either trade should be free, or not .either homosexuality should be legal, or not .either we should go to war, or not .either drugs should be allowed, or not . either the rich should pay excess taxes , or not .
what if people didnt have to compromise, and always got what they want ?
here is my proposal .split the united states into 5 sub countries .not like in the civil war - we would all be americans and all 1 country, but give people choice of how to live . (ignore constitutional issues for now - we will fix lator)
sub country 1: the control group, the status quo. america as it would otherwise exist .dems and libs and independants, gridlock, everything .this is in the physical middle of the country .
sub country 2 (and numbers dont mean anything, not like higher or lower number is better): liberals .leaders are elected from people like bernie sanders .
sub country 3: libertarians .leaders are elected from people like darryl perry.
sub country 4: conservatives .leaders are elected from people like ted cruz .
sub country 5: communists .leaders are elected from people like Mimi Soltysik .
sub countries go around the circle so greatly opposing people have no border and do not see each other!
but there is still debate and discussion and we present a unified front to the world !
Yes, split the country in five ways, but not as proposed here.......I suggest
1) first split all illegal aliens away from the general population, then escort them to their home country's borders
2) Second, split all "Black Lives Matter" idiots away from the general population and put them in jail where they really matter and are given three hots an a cot.
3)Round up all rioters and put them in jail with the "Black Lives Matter" idiots.
4) Try every single flag burner for treason, and also try for treason anybody in the crowd who cheers them on.
5) Last but not least, put the Clinton's and their Clinton Foundation book keepers in prison on multiple charges including treason, extortion, murder, adultery, obstruction of justice, and so on and so on.......probably several life terms for each of them and they can be happy with all the Black Lives Matter, rioters, flag burners while they become pen pals with their deported illegal alien friends.........and throw all abortion clinics in there with them, and every other foul mouthed pervert
Flag burning is an act of treason, you're high on dope or way too much coffee or something if you think I said anything like "cops should kill blacks for no reason",
assembling peacefully is a right, not making a ruckus and blocking traffic and causing problems....put the punks all in jail.
flag burning is not treason anymore than criticizing the president is .what snowden did is arguably treason, but burning a flag is just a form of speech .is cutting lincolns head out of a $5 bill treason ?
so you support the BLM message (that cops should not kill blacks for no reason), but not some of their tactics ?that is fair .
Flag burning is an act of treason. It's no different than shouting "Death to America", inciting our enemies and being an enemy. Anybody who burns a flag publicly to make a statement should lose their citizenship and be placed in prison or exiled to the foreign nation of their choice and not allowed to return.
I do not support the BLM movement or their message, their message is nothing but hatred to fuel fires of racism among blacks. Ship them all to Africa and they can be where most of the lives they say matter are black. They're good for nothing and if they don't like it here they can leave.
And you know what's funny? I have met and gotten to know personally many blacks who came here from Africa and were not born in America and they don't want anything to do with thugs like BLM. The do not look at their skin color or mine as a problem, they look at thugs of BLM as a bunch of idiots.....this garbage is brainwashing promoted by democrats who need to bait blacks to keep their votes even while they make a big industry out of killing their bastard children with abortion.
"Flag burning is an act of treason. It's no different than shouting "Death to America"," clearly not treason
"inciting our enemies" possibly treason.
"and being an enemy" well this is treason.
"Anybody who burns a flag publicly to make a statement should lose their citizenship and be placed in prison or exiled to the foreign nation of their choice and not allowed to return." this is a horrible thing to say .i might burn a flag just because of this. thomas jefferson must be rolling in his grave .
"I do not support the BLM movement or their message,"
but their message is simply that police should not kill them for no reason .
"their message is nothing but hatred to fuel fires of racism among blacks."
lies !
"Ship them all to Africa and they can be where most of the lives they say matter are black. They're good for nothing and if they don't like it here they can leave."
that is very racist !
"And you know what's funny? I have met and gotten to know personally many blacks who came here from Africa and were not born in America and they don't want anything to do with thugs like BLM. "
do they agree that black people should be shot by police for no reason ?
The punks who don't like America can go back to their native homeland. Ship them back. It's not about their race, it's about their worthless attitude which is destructive toward society.
Who ever said black people should be shot by police for no reason? If you think cops are shooting blacks for no reason, you're nuts. I'm really not a big supporter of police, but I sure side with them over the street punk dope head whore dogs who hate the cops. It's cops who are being shot by ambush attacks all over the country just because they are cops and the murderers flames are fueled by stupid big mouth punks like you. You should be in jail yourself for inciting violence.
"The punks who don't like America can go back to their native homeland. Ship them back." maybe the punks who dont like freedom can go back to their native homeland, meaning you !
"Who ever said black people should be shot by police for no reason?" that is the whole point of the BLM message .that cops find it ok to shoot black people for no reason, and that is not cool .
"It's cops who are being shot by ambush attacks all over the country" that happened AFTER BLM, because cops are still shooting black people for no reason !
"You should be in jail yourself for inciting violence." the supreme courts interpretation of the first amendment says you cannot directly incite violence, but i have not come close to doing that .
Black Lives Matter is nothing but a mod inciting violence, using threat of force, threat of rioting, threat of looting, threats against police, ...demanding handouts. Anybody affiliated with them should be shipped to Africa with a one way ticket and lose their US citizenship rights. And all those idiot kids rioting and shutting down freeways because they are cry babies who can't handle that they lost the election should be put in jail......one big concentration camp for a couple years, ship them out in vans to do hard labor fixing the infrastructure they want to tear down in their cry baby fits.
Ohhhh, you're a dope head. No wonder you think black cops should only kill white people and blacks should kill white cops. You should be in jail with all the illegal immigrants and dopeheaded niggas who got locked up before they could kill cops.
Funny that you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner, and you think you cannot fry like an eternal sausage in the lake of fire.
You can disagree with BLM without thinking that black people should be shot. For example, if you think that black people are not unfairly targeted by police then you think that BLM is incorrect or is lying. If you think their message contributes to violence, then you can disagree with them as well. These disagreements are on non-racial grounds. Otherwise there wouldn't be black people who dislike and disagree with them.
"You can disagree with BLM without thinking that black people should be shot." please tell me how .
"For example, if you think that black people are not unfairly targeted by police then you think that BLM is incorrect or is lying."
i think that black people ARE unfairly targeted by police .certainly unfairly shot by police .but if you think that black people are FAIRLY targeted ,then would the likely reason for BLM not be misunderstanging rather than lying ! auck ! how else do you justify the shooting of michael brown ?
"If you think their message contributes to violence, then you can disagree with them as well. " you can disagree with their methods, but not their mesage (which is that black people should not be shot for no reason ) .
"These disagreements are on non-racial grounds. Otherwise there wouldn't be black people who dislike and disagree with them." that would just mean that it is not 100% racial .
i think that black people ARE unfairly targeted by police
That's fine, that means you agree with them. But you can disagree with this premise on other than racial terms. For example you could argue against this notion with statistical evidence.
but if you think that black people are FAIRLY targeted
Which would mean a person is targeted for reasons other than their race.
then would the likely reason for BLM not be misunderstanging rather than lying
Misunderstanding on the part of some, and lying on the part of others. There's quite a bit of money to be had in rabble rousing.
how else do you justify the shooting of michael brown ?
How did Obama's Justice Dept justify it? If a person tries to forcefully take an officers weapon, they present a lethal threat which justifies a lethal response. I believe that's what the Justice Dept found.
you can disagree with their methods, but not their mesage
Or you can disagree with both and still not be racist.
that would just mean that it is not 100% racial
You can disagree with BLM on 100% non-racial grounds. If you think they are factually, methodologically, and even morally wrong without your view being racially motivated. Or rather, maybe you can't, but I can.
It's a post I deleted.....you can't delete posts, you can only edit them. In editing, you can remove all text, then you have to replace it with something......that is the only way to wipe out a post as far as I know.
The problem is not that "people have a different understanding of what is good and what is bad". Most people have an correct inherent understanding of good and evil. The problem is that most people have been routinely manipulated by the media, which has become efiicient at painting black as white and proving that good is bad. How about you split CNN into 5 different companies instead?
"The problem is not that "people have a different understanding of what is good and what is bad". Most people have an correct inherent understanding of good and evil."
then please tell me, what is the correct stance on abortion ?
not sure that splitting CNN into 5 companies will help .we already have fox news and msnbc .
Sorry for my choice of words, I thought you were not being serious and just trolling against the elected President. I got it wrong.
Anyway, what I meant was that for the last 15 years or so the MSM has been doing a lot to divide the population and alienate the different groups towards each other. It has been outright lying on many subjects, and pushing the toxic agendas of neo-liberalism (which is not the same as true liberalism). Identity politics promoted by the MSM are divisive in nature. Creation of virtual reality stimulation of world affairs, based on lies and distortion, alienates those who seek the truth from those who believe in the news.
Trump is not a very nice person, but the media has been spreading outright LIES about him, deliberately misquoting his statements. Hillary Clinton is responsible for a lot of death and destruction in the world, but the media has been brushing this off as "Putin's propaganda"(which it is not). So, there are two completely different images of Trump, and two completely different images of HRC, both considered to be "true" by people in two opposing camps: those who have taken time to verify the information, and those just believing the media. Those truths are in conflict, and people are in conflict because of this.
The media's toxic activity needs to be exposed and confronted, if America is to remain united.
"Sorry for my choice of words, I thought you were not being serious and just trolling against the elected President. I got it wrong." you are correct that i am anti trump, but this is not purely in response to him winning .it was an idea i had for a while, to give people a choice instead of once size fits all, where a majority of americans are unhappy with the results of every election .
i am afraid i dont know what the msm is .you may have a point that the media is biased in favor of hillary, but simply shifting votes from hillary to trump would not help - he already won !i think your point is separate from this issue, which is about americans should have more control over how they live their lives .
MSM means mass media in this context. The media wasn't just biased in favour of Hillary, it has been spreading outright lies about Trump, while downplaying Hiullary's obvious faults. Like starting the bloody war in Lybia and deliberately funding headchoppers in Syria. But the MSM has been doing more than that, during the last decade, they've been spreading toxic narrative on many subjects, and the divided condition of America is for a large part due to this (if not totally).
the media should be fair, i agree .hillary has many faults that are never mentioned usually .i think trump was much worse, but hillary was just about the worst democrat i could image ,and this should be revealed publically .
What I was trying to say is that the media has been sewing discord, by supporting the identity policy narrative, spreading lies and doing biased reporting.
Identity politics is creating pseudo "human rights" campaigns to protect the rights of the "oppressed". It works by funding and supporting "minority" groups which thrive on their own victim status. According to them, gays, feminists, transgenders, blacks are all victims. Their enemies are evil uneducated bigots.
This political movement relies heavily on the support from mass media. So the mass media are complacent in creating the divisions which you speak of.
@bigoats Stop loosing your shit. The division in this country is pretty much bound to happen, with the black lives matter protests, banning of muslims and president not liking the Mexicans. It will take a very strong and logical mind to stop the people from fighting each other. We have to come back to humanity, otherwise we all go to shit, some of us earlier than others.
Stop loosing your shit. - is that a slogan from Hillary's campaign?LOL
The division in this country is pretty much bound to happen, with the black lives matter protests, banning of muslims and president not liking the Mexicans.
1. Trump has stated that his economic policy will include creating real job opportunities for the black community. If that is achieved, there will no longer be a need for the "black lives mater" movement. Because, once the social situation in these communities improves, crime rates will drop.
2. Trump never said anything about "banning Muslims". He spoke of restricting access to USA for immigrants from dangerous Muslim countries which are currently in state of turmoil.
3. Trump never said anything about "not liking Mexicans". He spoke about ILLEGAL immigrants form Mexico, a lot of whom are directly involved in organised crime.
What you wrote only proves my point that the MSM has been deliberetly distorting the truth, and many of you in the "democratic" camp were eager to swallow it. So, split CNN into 5 different companies, and deport the rest of the corrupt MSM to Saudi Arabia where they belong.