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"State Capitalism" is a Socialist term. Here's why

When our local Commies try to correct your anti-communist position by claiming all the failed commie states were actually capitalism, specifically “state capitalism”, recognize the farce.

State Capitalism is a term used by leftists to obscure socialistic failures. One need not look to far to see that even they recognize that the term is not related to capitalism at all but rather is synonymous with state socialism, the manifestation of the dictatorship of the Proletariat and Marx's theoretical necessary precursor to the impossible Utopian goal that never arises, ie Marxism.


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The US is a state capitalist country. Notice the bailouts, subsidies, price supports and several govt.-run, single payer insurance programs added to countless billion$ in loan guarantees to corp. America.

China is the role model having gone to the next step from state capitalism to capitalist fascism.

I agree that bailouts passed the point of “true free market” and entered us into a new field of play. In true free market there is NO BAILOUT! You have the freedom to succeed or to fail

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It certainly is and if we had the bearded boozer Marx here he would verify the veracity of the claim . The typical socialist throws about terms like confetti at a wedding hoping one will be accepted by the gullible and thus claim in a shrieking voice “ I’m right , you’re wrong “

Our commie friends change positions more times than a cheap hooker on a busy weekend .

The workers in such systems its claimed still had genuine control over the means of production through institutions such as trade unions , this is all under an article on State Socialism in wiki , it’s childishly simple but apparently a bridge to far for the resident commies .

Marx is like Nom in many way when a term referring to socialism from his own rants didn’t fit his narrritive he would claim the term wasn’t valid because in that case because the condition of the state he was describing was in transition

If one met a Socialist on the street and told him you owned a dog the socialist would ask not unreasonably “what type “ your reply “ a bulldog “ ......” that’s not a dog I own an Alsatian they are the only real dogs “

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What does this definition mean in your world Amy ?????????

state cap·i·tal·ism

a political system in which the state has control of production and the use of capital.

Amarel(4910) Clarified
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Are you actually asking. ?

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Ask Wikipedia:

-“State socialism is a classification for any socialist political and economic perspective advocating state ownership of the means of production either as a temporary measure in the transition from capitalism to socialism, or as characteristic of socialism itself”

-While State Capitalism is “ where the means of production are organized and managed as state-owned business enterprises”.

Wait a tick, if you think that sounds like the same thing, the Commies agree:

-Trotsky said State Capitalism “originally arose to designate the phenomena which arise when a bourgeois state takes direct charge of the means of transport or of industrial enterprises”.

- Lenin justified the introduction of state capitalism controlled politically by the dictatorship of the proletariat to further central control and develop the productive forces”

Now you will find plenty of leftist anarchists and communist apologists who will specifically refer to failed communist states as falling under state capitalism as opposed to communism. They might as well say they fell under the dictatorship of the proletariat rather than communism. But of course if they said that, it would undermine their profit. The point here is that “state capitalism” was a fabrication of the socialists designed for use much as it is here on this site. To obfuscate the failures of communism.

Since “state capitalism” is a socialists term, let’s ask the capitalists:

-“The term is not used by the classical liberals to describe the public ownership of the means of production”….wierd. That’s because the public ownership of the means of production is not capitalism at all.

-Capitalists don’t use the term because according to Mises “what used to be called Planned Economy and State Socialism, and that State Capitalism, Planned Economy, and State Socialism diverge only in non-essentials from the "classic" ideal of egalitarian Socialism”

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Ask Wikipedia:

“State socialism is a classification for any socialist political and economic perspective advocating state ownership of the means of production either as a temporary measure in the transition from capitalism to socialism, or as characteristic of socialism itself”

Hold on a second you disingenuous little cretin. I've never denied the existence of state socialism. You are the one pretending that state capitalism is really socialism.

Amarel(4910) Disputed
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Keep reading numbnuts. You'll get there. Literally the next line down.

I provided the definition of State Socialism because it is fundamentally the same as state capitalism.

State Capitalism is a term used by leftists

It seems strange that you would say this and then quote the exact same "leftists" when you want to evidence the existence of state socialism. So essentially, Wikipedia are "leftists" when they are describing state capitalism but a legitimate and neutral source when describing state socialism, yes?

Do you even listen to yourself buddy? You're insane.

Amarel(4910) Disputed
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yes?

No. Wikipedia is the source I used which quoted leftists, communists, capitalists...all of them. Wikipedia shows that it was coined and primarily used by Socialists while Capitalists such as Mises refused to use yet another name for the same old shit.

Jesus Christ go ask FM for help.

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No. Wikipedia is the source I used which quoted leftists, communists, capitalists...all of them.

And it's the same source you said was wrong when I posted this:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism

So make up your mind. Is Wikipedia a reliable source or not?