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Super Congress - Good Idea?

"The next round of $1.5 trillion in cuts would be decided by a committee of 12 lawmakers evenly divided between the two parties and two chambers. This so-called super Congress would have to present its cuts by Thanksgiving, and the rest of Congress could not amend or filibuster the recommendations." - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/31/debt-ceiling-deal_n_914538.html

 

OK We all know that the do-nothing Congress is too big to do things effective any more. Yeah maybe it was OK back when there was only 13 states - but face it. 435 people couldn't agree on splitting the dinner check let alone- pass any meaningful laws.

 

Should the SuperCongress replace the old dysfunctional congress so that we can actually get things done and fixed instead of the total BS that we have been given. So instead of voting by states we can vote according to the 12 Fed bank districts. .. And then the Banking take over of the US will be complete.

Yes

Side Score: 3
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No

Side Score: 6
1 point

First of all - the key BS word here is 'bipartisan' as if there are only 2 parties out there. We chould change how we count the votes with multiple rounds - and NO 'winner take take rules' that cuts off 'third party spoilers' - another weasel worded term.

Remember it's not who you vote for - it's who counts the votes - according to game theory - or Stalin! I think the USA should study up on Game Theory and voting systems and do away with 435 fat F*cking Elites who vote for everybody else - and exempt themselves! It's like a psuedo-royality.

Single Transferable Vote (STV)

Borda Count

Cumulative Voting

Additional-Member Systems

Adjusted District Voting (ADR)

Approval Voting

"There is no perfect voting procedure ... the vulnerability of STV to preference truncation illustrates its manipulability, and its nonmonotonicity casts doubt upon its democratic character. In particular, it seems bizarre that voters can hurt a candidate's chances by raising him or her in their rankings."

Supporting Evidence: altvote (bcn.boulder.co.us)
Side: yes
3 points

Our system was set up to move slow. You learn the genius of it in any Civics class, it avoids (usually, hopefully) populous knee-jerk reactions and ensures (hopefully) all sides of an issue are explored.

While I'm endlessly pissed at the current congress, from the tea party blithering idiots who have no idea how valuable a AAA rating is to the US economy, to the Democrats who can't stand up for their mother if she's losing a bar fight,

Really the only problem right now is the fillibuster, which isn't a constitutional item and easily changed. Change the fillibuster rules and we'll go back to the snail pace as opposed to the complete stop we're in now.

Side: No
2 points

"stand up for their mother if she's losing a bar fight,"

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Wow great stuff.

Q: Honey, would you fight for me?

A: Hah!...I don't even fight for myself! You can run with me. We could hold hands and keep it romantic - but you gotta keep up - because I book! I'm not gonna get beat up just becuase you broke a heel.

Side: yes
2 points

The problem is that they can't seem to vote on one issue at a time, they have to use any issue possible as leverage.

Single issue voting or similar would get rid of much of the problem, while still allowing the state's representatives to do their job.

Side: No
1 point

Yeah, already talk of extended powers over other issues for the Gang of 12 (6 Idiots and 6 Criminals) and Obama is the 13th deciding vote.

(when/how changed for 6 to 12?)

Side: No