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Teachers and Government workers are overpaid.

A thought as to the "true" position: If you want someone who can successfully teach or manage a country, they should be paid little; for if they were paid a lot, then people who have no interest in truly ministering to people would seek to become those who educate the populous and those who govern the populous.  Therefore, occupations that are severaly important should be left to those who feel they have a "calling" to do so.  A concept like that of "but many who are first will be last, and the last first" could be mentioned here

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Of course, they are not subjected to the market's supply and demand, so demand is artificially created.

Side: True
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
2 points

So there is no demand for education? Clarify your position.

Side: False
1 point

Please reread my post, it clearly states artificial demand, which is not the same for no demand.

Side: True
1 point

Market demand and government demand are two different things. The current demand for education is an artificial government demand because the state forces everyone to pay and attend school until they are 18.

Side: True
3 points

I thought teachers are generally under paid.

Side: False
lolzors93(3225) Clarified
1 point

Why is that?

Side: True
Cambriel(711) Clarified
1 point

In our country, they are. Less money, more work. Thats how it goes here. I think that is the reason why people here, dont choose being a teacher as a profession.

Side: True
2 points

I live in Canada, and I can say that in our country, teachers are not over-paid. I am the son of a teacher, so I have personal experience. Teachers have a very difficult job, and they earn every penny they make.

However, MP's in our country make far too much.

Side: False
1 point

Most also feel they have a calling to pay bills and raise families, that is often a stronger calling.

Here's what would work better, pay teachers what they are actually worth. Instead of D and C students from community colleges (in large part) deciding to teach as a fall back career, it would be sought out competitively by the A students and those with Masters degrees and PHDs.

Side: False
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

The worst teachers you find are the ones with Masters and Ph.D's. A degree does not make someone a teacher.

Side: True
kozlov(1754) Disputed
2 points

This is absolutely preposterous. Your claims are groundless. Yes, it does not take a degree to make a teacher, but to generalize all teachers with Masters and Doctorates is outrageous.

Side: False
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

That's ridiculous.

All of my college professors had Masters degrees or PHDs. They were to a single one better than a single grade or high school teacher I ever had.

Do you have some statistics to back this up?

Just because someone really really likes kids and so has a "calling" they believe to teach them, does not mean they are a good teacher. I'll take an asshole kids hate but who knows what he or she is doing, over some pushover who never does and really can't teach that well because they are busy making kids and their parents feel good about themselves.... frankly.

Side: False
1 point

Hmm.. not all of them. Although some of them are. Ive had some experience with teachers who are PhDs and yet they dont really teach well in school. I agree with you that a degree does not make someone a teacher.. but I think it's his or her dedication to be one. Id also like to state some instances. Three of our PhD teachers dont really teach good. They just give Hwks and Swks without even teaching first. They usually do the discover it on your own method. And most students are not really good at that. Ergo, students fail more in class.

Side: True

At my school, the janitor makes 95k (thats with benifits) and he has people do the stuff for him, but other than that, i think no.

Side: False
1 point

One of the main reasons, IMO, that Americans tend to score so poorly in global educational matrices is because the educators themselves are so undervalued. If you pay someone peanuts to do an important job then logic dictates that you should expect peanuts in return. While I agree that teachers and other government workers are not subject to the same market demands and forces that influence wages as workers in the private sector, we need to recognize that these people are an essential part of the national infrastructure and that without them, we're fucked.

Side: False

I believe that they are underpaid. Seeing that some of them are not motivated in teaching and some are even using the act of being a teacher for perverted purposes with their students such as blackmailing them using their grades so that they can have their way with them.

Teachers should be given higher salary so as to motivate them in their work. Even if you have a calling in your profession, if your salary is not enough for your family then you would`t be motivated in your work thus succumbing to ineffectiveness in teaching.

Side: False
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

And you think that raising the income rates of teachers will decrease the amount of scum bag teachers?

Give them less and only the truly motivated will teach because they won't care about the money.

Side: True
1 point

Well scum bag teachers should first of all be filtered properly by the school. I don`t think it is the government`s responsibility since the school itself must create its own standards and thus these scumbag teachers are only present since they allowed them to be so.

If you give them less, then less students will take up being a teacher as profession and the problem in education would increase.

Side: False
TimelordROOK(94) Disputed
1 point

Teachers should not be given a higher salary.

People who truly want to teach should teach.

This ensures that the quality of education exceeds the current level.

Side: True
1 point

It is the responsibility of the school to uplift its quality of education since the government is not always present in the vicinity. Therefore if the standard of education should be increased, then the school should increase its qualifications in being a teacher. Adhering to the increase in the quality of the teacher`s skills, a higher salary is its just reward.

You cannot raise a family and live in our society with passion alone. Money is a necessity to all.

Side: False
Roblovesargu(61) Disputed
1 point

So then Doctors should be paid less so only people who want to be doctors practice medicine. And lawyers, no money, just a passion for Grisham novels.

No money for anyone!

Side: False
1 point

I think this question is posed in a manner which unjustly lumps teachers and government workers together in the same field. Furthermore the phrase 'government workers' is fairly broad and covers a rather large area of occupations. While I would agree certain certain government workers such as congressmen and members of senate are overpaid, others such as social workers are not.

As for teachers? They are certainly not underpaid.

Side: False
1 point

They are not over paid because there is no cost to get knowledge.we can give trillion rupees to buy knowledge.if you are intelligent so you can understand what I want to say ( i am in favor of this topic);

Side: False