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Barack Obama

Side Score: 103
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John McCain

Side Score: 105
Winning Side!
1 point

I am going to start an argument to get this going.

Barack Obama is a candidate who is for change in the United States. This country needs a change in the White House administration, not a repeat of the Bush regime. Yes, I said regime. McCain is not a moderate, he is a conservative at heart, and people need to remember that. Obama deserves to win, and Biden brings to the table everything he didn't originally- more liberal ideas, experience, and age to match McCain a little better.

Side: Obama
MBurke12(81) Disputed
3 points

So Biden supporting the Iraq war since day 1 before everyone even knew it was going to happen is a "more liberal" idea brought to the table? I think you don't know much about this, I think you're just hopping on the Obama bandwagon because it's the new fad for teenagers. When he says change; does he mean good or bad change? That's right he never says which one. So you're just getting it stuck in your head that it's good change. And when I quote you, "Yes, I said regime." is that supposed to be offensive to people? It does mean a government in power so there for you are correct in the first place and it is not offensive. Plus, the more Obama flip flops he is become more conservative by the minute. The only thing now that is not conservative from him is no off-shore drilling and rising taxes. Good day sir and I hope you forget to vote on Nov. 4th.

OF THE MANY FEW, I AM A TEENAGER VOTING FOR McCAIN

Side: Obama is not as great as he seems
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
3 points

I think you misunderstand hockeyhound. He definitely supports neither McCain nor Obama. He is a socialist at heart, and while I don't support the socialist viewpoint, I do appreciate some of their stances. Nevertheless, I am an Obama supporter. Obama has slipped on many issues to a more republican way of thinking, but I don't believe for a moment he is anything like McCain. And Joe Biden is a person I support 98% of the time.

Regime is defined in the dictionary as a government in power, yes. But you know that in modern society the current dogma is that regime has a negative connotation. So yes, he meant regime in a negative sense.

While Biden did support the war in Iraq in the beginning, it's a foolish statement when you suggest flip-flopping. It's ridiculous to assume that when a person makes a declaration at one point in their life they will be held to that until they die. Biden has recanted his vote, and McCain has not.

And Palin is one truculent chick. She seriously said in a recent interview that she would go to war with Russia if it cam to it. We are in no shape to be going to war with another country, especially one as massive as Russia. Her experience is lacking, her stances on common issues disturbing, and she is gaining support purely from the religious right because of her social views on abortion.

I would love for you to be a poster on my blog. We need teens and first-time voters to tell their stories and speak their minds. Go to uhsdebate.blogspot.com/ It's definitely worth checking out- read my first post and the blog description on it for instructions.

Side: Barack Obama
Probama123(44) Disputed
2 points

Does he mean good or bad change? Are you kidding me? God save us from people like you. I don't think the stupidest of all people could even partially agree with that statement. Also Obama differs, on Iraq, health care, abortion, taxes (which he is cutting for 95% of the country), and NAFTA, to name a few things. So get your facts straight before spouting rubbish.

Side: Barack Obama
-3 points
hockeyhound(16) Disputed
1 point

Barrack Obama is a candidate for change. Perhaps this is why I have a problem with Barrack Obama. Not only has he become the candidate for "change" but in the past he's chosen to shy away from change. Looking at his voting record, small as it is, you will find that he often voted "present" essentially abstaining from the vote on controversial issues. This record of voting "present" is even more apparent when he was doing his glorious work for the state of Illinois in the state congress.

The word change... What do we associate with change? Generally I feel many people view change as a negative thing. However when presented in the right light, (which Obama's done very well) it can be become positive. This was also done, by a man many "liberals" hate. That man was Ronald Reagan. We can view Reagan and Obama's campaign tactics as nearly the same as they both are positive go gettem attitudes. However Reagan was more specific for the change he desired. The interest rate was at 21% when he took office and the feeling was that America's days of empire were over. Reagan said they were not.

How is Obama's quest for change any different I ask of you? How many times in the DNC have you heard of America's world image, NEEDING TO BE RESTORED? Apparently it does, because all of a sudden we care what other countries think of us. We didn't ten years ago.Obama's promise of change is really a promise to continue on the path to an ever greater imperial America.

As for Biden, I ask of you to view his voting record on appropriations especially. You will notice that here he is not so "liberal," that he has continually voted with the bush administration on the Iraq war, and furthermore is for ANWAR Drilling. His record further shows that for someone who is a "Humanitarian" he has repeatedly supported military action over aid. He in fact called Saddam Hussein a threat even before the Bush Administration. As head of the foreign relations committee thats just what I want, a war monger.

If all the above doesn't convince you that Obama, Biden, (hey alliteration!) are not the perfect candidates, than I would like to throw out there also that Biden is a known Plagiarist, and has even been caught lying on his resume. People wonder why this matters. I say it does, because if a man is cutthroat in his personal relations, than what is to keep his love of winning inside the country once in power. These very qualities, are also backed up in Biden's war voting record, where he's consistently voted for the war, and he's always voted for U.S "intervention" in foreign affairs. Just what we need, another Real Politik politician coming to claim, or at least be next in line for the presidency.

Realists of the world rejoice! Idealists, sadly now is the time to worry most. Will we ever resort to soft power in foreign affairs in lieu of military action? Obama and Biden seem to think not. In fact none of the candidates do. Note that I am not a Mc. Cain supporter. However I refuse to believe that Obama is all he's cracked up to be.

Both Mc. Cain and Obama have some decent Ideas, however neither truly defines change in the sense they wish to convey it. To me it seems, that were just doing more of the same old stuff, in a new way. In one way or another, we will either continue Reaganist internal policy, or go back to a quasi version of Johnson's great society. The question is not whether we want change or not, but rather what would you like to go back to, to many people I fear its Reagan.

Side: Obama is not as great as he seems
repubgal(336) Disputed
1 point

Are you crazy? You SAY Obama is 'change', but tell me...WHAT CHANGE???? His so called ways of change will dissolve if he ever reaches the white house. Biden does, says, and acts on nothing. His experience is fair, but that doesn't make him any more qualified than McCain's excellent choice in VP. I think you need to review the facts!

Side: Obama is not as great as he seems
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
2 points

Seriously? You're pining for Palin? Hahahaha! Really! Sarah Palin was probably the poorest choice for vice president possible! Aside from being a woman, she has nothing to recommend her. So, you tell me. What exactly has she done?

And, thank you very much, I do my research. Big time. So let's go- tell me about your friend Sarah.

And at least Obama is claiming to be for change. I don't like all of his politics, but I do support the majority of his platform. There's a chance he might try and bring change- he's new, and isn't going to just go with how Capitol Hill has been working for the past administration.

Side: Palin
Probama123(44) Disputed
2 points

Change as in, make a time table to pull out of Iraq and focus on the REAL terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Change as in, make tax cuts for working and middle class Americans who struggle to put food on the table rather then cut taxes for the super rich. Change as in, attempt to find an alternate energy source rather then depending on foreign oil. And why would this change disintegrate? I feel that you are just yelling with no proof.

Side: Barack Obama
1 point

Okay, please don't blast Obama and say, his policies will NEVER hold up without giving a reason why. It's pointless to say someone is bad unless you have a reason. However all i can say right now is the John Mcain has voted with president Bush over 90% of the time. So if you want another 4 years at least of poor economy death overseas, and a stumbling America then go ahead....vote for Mcain.

Side: Barack Obama
1 point

YES. I agree with you 100%. But I need a new message to be started throughout the Democratic party. We are in danger of losing this election, and to stop it we have to stop saying it is going to be more of the same if McCain is elected. It probably will be, but we must focus on the future, and stop talking about the past repeating itself here. Obama should be talking more about his plans to stop the war, about health care, and about the economy. He is losing supporters needlessly who are realizing that he hasn't really gone into depth on his issues, on his plan of action. He uses "encourage" and "change" so much, but while he does have a plan, for some reason does not go into what those words mean. Please, Barack- tell us and win this election for the good of the country.

Side: Barack Obama
0 points

The problem with Obama embellishing on his policies is that the policies of both candidates are so complex and hard to understand that most people wouldn't understand them. For example Obama could say that he is going to create a new health care program and explain it, but how is he going to get funding for it? Well that would lead to him explaining his tax policy, which is how he will tax the upper class. Which would lead to him having to answer questions on how he can get money from other places without raising taxes. It's all very complicated and other then the few people who take time to research each of the candidates policies, the rest of the crowd won't understand what he is saying.

Side: Barack Obama
repubgal(336) Disputed
0 points

Ok, he's voted with Bush...On what???? Changes that broke our economy???? Like you can actually blame that on McCain's voting?? PUHLEASE! How is Obama any better? Tell me, PLEASE!

Side: John McCain
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
1 point

By the way, ask McCain what McCain voted with Bush on, as McCain was the first one to state that fact. He said it in an interview on the news awhile ago, and was proud of it.

Side: Barack Obama
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
-1 points

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html

Check that site and get back to me?

No, Obama couldn't have voted against Bush's policies since the beginning of the Bush administration because he wasn't even in the Senate yet. I know- but while he wasn't doing anything (because he couldn't), McCain was actively voting for Bush's idea on the economy, etc. And now you're suggesting that one vote doesn't matter. There are only 100 people in the Senate, "my friend". If you think it's not important, take a look at our current Senate, where the only reason democrats cannot get anything passed is because there is about a 50/50 split of democrats and republicans, and Lieberman is the tipper in favor of the republicans (he deserted his party- you want a traitor, there you are). SO if you say one vote doesn't count, the Joe's shouldn't matter. AND YET- it does...

BY the way... if anyone calls Obama a traitor, terrorist, secret Muslim, or threatens him any way I think I'll blow my top and have whoever says it banned. Same in the media; if someone says any of that absolute garbage, then I think if McCain doesn't rise up and officially renounce those remarks, I fear for this country more than I ever had previously.

I mean, how STUPID MORONIC IGNORANT and yes, I think I might add in slightly retarded (because I am referring to the actual mental disability and slowness/diminished mental capacity) could you be? It's really sad for the entire republican party. If I were part of that party and I heard all that, if I had any moral standing whatsoever, I would immediately leave the party. How could someone say all that?

Ridiculous.

Side: John McCain
1 point

Check out this video! Props to the McCain campaign for squashing this, but also check out this article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/21/cnn-host-mystified-by-mcc_n_136479.html

McCain doesn't want a Muslim representing the campaign on national television? Maybe, maybe... Thoughts and comments on both the video below and the followup article above would be greatly appreciated.

Oh, also I think we need to seriously look at our country's direction. If you replace the word Muslim with Jew, this country begins to look a lot like 1920's Germany. Just be aware of that and act accordingly- don't be sucked in by the propaganda.

Later!

Supporting Evidence: Muslim McCain Fans Confront Intolerance At Rally (VIDEO) (www.huffingtonpost.com)
Side: Barack Obama
5 points

Somebody posted a tag saying "Who cares what teens think?"- it's late now, but I would like to address this in my blog at http://uhsdebate.blogspot.com/. Check tomorrow for my response to this issue.

Side: who cares what teens think
4 points

John McCain must be president in 2009. How can a person vote for Barrack Obama who has very little experience and has a very controversial back round. John McCain tells the American people the truth and what he really feels is best for America, not just what people want to hear. As John McCain's wife said "My husband may not be the right president for all times, but he is defiantly the right president for this time". John McCain knows we must not fail in Iraq and must achieve victory on our terms. From all the people currently serving in the military and veterans I have talked to, Barrack Obama's plan on setting a time table for troop withdraw in Iraq is a very big and dangerous mistake. By setting a time table you are letting the terrorist know that the Americans are eager to withdraw and victory for them is insight. What kind of a message are we sending to Iran and other countries who hate the U.S., if we withdraw our troops from Iraq before we achieve victory on our terms? Did anyone see or hear the Iranian president talking about the destruction of Israel and the "American Empire". Iran along with several other countries want us DEAD, does anyone else get that. Obama, apparently doesn't. He wants to have a chat with the Iranian president. What does Obama not understand? Didn't he hear the Iranian president? Also Obama has admitted that he does not salute the flag of the United States because for many people in the world our flag represents oppression. Senator Obama, my brother serves in the military and my grandfather served this country in Vietnam and Korea. How can you DISHONOR them by not saluting the flag they are fighting and fought for, and especially the flag that represents the very country you wish to lead. Barrack Obama didn't know what to do or say about the Russian invasion of Georgia. John McCain called it has it was, an Invasion. McCain also stated that the U.S. and other members of NATO must take a stand against Russia. Obama responded to the Russian invasion with a mediocre statement. WOW, he really struck fear in Vladimir Putin. Putin probably now endorses Obama.

Obama says we are spending too much money in Iraq and we have to start decreasing our spending in foreign countries and start investing money right here in America. Thats great, but why did Joe Biden say a few weeks ago that he and Obama want to spend a few billion dollars re-building Georgia? A little hypocritical, don't you think?

For the past few weeks, the media, which is totally bias, is crucifying Sarah Palin. Heres a little history on Sarah Palin, she has more experience than Barrack Obama. She actually saved her state millions of dollars, while Barrack cost Illinois and the U.S. combined hundreds of millions. Sarah Palin has not been raised by a major city political machine. Barrack Obama is a true Chicago political machine. Just look at how he ran his campaign for U.S. Senate, Barrack Obama got into some dirty politics. It is important to remember, Sarah Palin is running for the VICE presidency, Barrack Obama is running for the actual PRESIDENCY.

Our economic crisis can be blamed on BOTH Democrats and Republicans. For a little over two years the Democrats have been in control of both houses, and I really haven't seen any change I can believe in. So if the Democrats can't change anything while having control of the Senate and Congress, what must anybody think they can bring change while controlling the presidency. John McCain is the right man who, will lead our troops to victory in Iraq, know how to deal with foreign affairs, and will turn our economy around.

Side:
John McCain
3 points

i think Mccain would make an amazing president. He knows what he wants to do to change America. Sarah palin and John Mccain are the change that Obama claims. They will fix our country's problems. The war is most certainly a problem, however stopping it isn't the solution. Barack Obama can't be that patriotic if he plans on aborting the war. He wants all of our time and money wasted? Does he know how many soldiers died for something he's just going to give up on? How can he let things go back to the way they were after all that? It's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.

Joe Biden is nice, but that's pretty much all he brings to the ballot. I feel for him because of his wife and daughter, but you don't vote for somebody out of pity, you vote for them for what they bring to the table and what you think of it. To me, Sarah Palin brings much more. She will change America if we'd only give her chance. She's amazing. A small town mother with 5 kids, one of whom still breastfeeding and has downsyndrome, a governer of Alaska, devoted hunter, beautiful pageant winner and running mate of John McCain, she really is extraordinary! I agree with their views on being prolife. I think that an innocent baby shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of the parents. Unless the mother will die, or in extreme cases of rape or incest, babies should not be killed. Though I am an animal loving vegetarian, I don't mind that she hunts, I find it tough and interesting of her. Sarah is one heck of a woman. I also agree that they will change America, no matter what Biden studders about. Just because McCain likes Bush and votes with Bush a lot, doesn't mean he'll make all the same foolish decisions. He isn't exactly the same. If you're all so fixed on McCain being "more of the same", why don't you study up and realize that Biden votes with Bush almost the same that McCain does and even said that he loves McCain and would have been happy to be on the ballot with him. Saying one thing in Ohio and a whole different thing in Georgia is not what we want for our country. We want honesty, expirience and most of all- loyalty. And if it isn't loyal to sit everyday for 5 years in a 6x4 cage with a smile on your face, unable to betray your country even if it meant getting to go straight back home and instead getting tortured and hung by chains on the wall; I don't know what is. the only candidate who actually ever faught for you is McCain, who even went back to war after he was rescued. In all, McCain Palin are by far the best choices for our country. I'm not even a republican, nor is my famiy or friends, however we're all for McCain. That takes a lot to turn my mother, a democrat for at least 30 years; into a republian overnight. They are amazing. MCCAIN PALIN ALL THE WAY!

Side: John McCain
Probama123(44) Disputed
1 point

Okay time to disprove you. McCain voted with George Bush 90% of the time. Yes he will make the same foolish decisions, if he agreed with him then why not now? I would not call that change. Does Barack Obama know how many soldiers died? Yes that's why he's pulling out. He also knows how many innocent Iraqui civilians were murdered (over 100,000) which is why he is organizing a systematic pull out. Also I personally am pro life, but i would never force my view onto a woman, and force her to have a child, it is not my place or my right to do that. Also i respect McCain immensely for his service to our country, and am greatful to him, but we cannot judge how good of a president he would be, by how good of a fighter he was.

Side: Barack Obama
Haste87(4) Disputed
2 points

I sincerely respect your opinion, but I have to say a lot of your reasoning is flawed.

One, in regards to experience, it's not everything. Everyone has to get their start somewhere. Obviously the Democratic party as a whole found Obama to be a competent candidate that best represents them, so he must be doing something right. What Obama lacks in experience he more than makes up for in intellect, logic, and a demeanor that most people find agreeable, which is an important attribute for the Chief of State to hold.

The fact that John McCain knows we must not fail in Iraq doesn't really mean anything. Barack knows that just the same, as well as every other American who follows the news. Setting a time table is not a sign of weakness, but of strength. The fact that we are so confident in our victory that we can tell them exactly when we are going to win seems quite imposing to me. And we're not pulling out just to let the terrorists reign free. We've trained thousands of Iraqi troops while stationed there for the specific purpose of taking over when we leave. It doesn't make sense to waste several billion a month in war funds when Iraq itself has a $80 Billion surplus in its treasury.

Withdrawing troops on a schedule is not the same thing at all as ignorance of the threat from foreign nations. It is clear that several countries are out to get us, but what keeping our troops in Iraq has to do with that I'll never understand. We shouldn't have been there in the first place. Afghanistan is where Al Qaeda was based, going into Iraq, a completely different country, was an obvious ploy for their oil, and a shameful period in our history.

Also, Israel can take care of itself. We really don't have to worry about it's safety, because as of now their military capability has actually surpassed ours. In fact, we should be going to them for help right now, not the other way around.

Again, we are in no position right now to start another war, especially with such a powerful country such as Russia. The last thing we need right now is another Cold War, especially with our economy in shambles the way it is right now. The best we can do about the Georgia situation is just to wait it out, and if other nations want to intervene they can go ahead. But, I do have to give you the credit on the Georgia reconstruction thing. That is hypocritical.

And about Sarah Palin, she is probably one of the dirtiest politicians around at the moment. I'm not going to get into the specifics right now, but if you really want to know you can look up some of the crap she's done and been involved with while in office.

And to your last point, unless Bush suddenly turned Democratic too, the Democrats having control of both houses doesn't really mean much with that veto power looming over their heads. When we have a democratic president AND congress, then we can experience some real change, and hopeful restore America to its former glory.

Side: Barack Obama
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
1 point

Um, no? Honestly, I'd like you to do some research, as well. Who has a controversial background? Obama? What are you TALKING about? The propaganda from the Far Right? Come on... He's not a secret Muslim, he isn't Muslim, nor does he plan on becoming a Muslim.

There are no terrorists in Iraq. There are no terrorists in Iraq. There are no terrorists in Iraq. There are no terrorists in Iraq. There are no terrorists in Iraq. How else can I say it? Iran is evil, I know. I'm Jewish; I really love hearing how the Holocaust never happened and how Israel should be annihilated from the face of the Earth. I get that. And yet, a major JEWISH, and therefore CHRISTIAN opinion on war is to respond defensively when attacked, but more importantly, avoid violence unless absolutely necessary. Turn the other cheek? Sound familiar? We must try and negotiate. This is not Osama Bin Laden, although he's about as crazy. It may not work, as Obama has stated very clearly, but it's worth a shot. If it doesn't work, no loss- we do what we have to. But to suggest talking to them is somehow an admittance of fear is ridiculous.

Look, we both know we had no business in Iraq. At all. We never should have gone in. But who's unpatriotic here? Do you realize that you're suggesting that if the troops were pulled out now, they wouldn't be considered war heroes, veterans who have so nobly served our country? Your brother? Yes, I would say that we HAVE had needless casualties where no conflict should have taken place. We must pull out. We must honor our veterans and those who have died fighting for the country. But we cannot afford MORE lives, MORE death, MORE money in this economic and financial crisis. Would you feel the same if (God forbid, of course) something were to happen to your brother? I don't know the answer to that question, I really don't. But it's important to empathize with families who have lost loved ones in a war we should never have started. It's a shame. Plus, other countries have pulled out, and cut their losses while they could. There is no end in sight if McCain is elected...

You have no idea what you're talking about with Georgia, nor do many Americans. Georgia was the aggressor to start with when they invaded RUSSIA, striking South Ossettia. This attack prompted retaliation from Russia, and because we're a democracy supporting democracy, we took Georgia's side. Was it right? Decide for yourself, but make sure you know your history, at least a little.

All right, enough with this Obama is not a patriot stuff. You watch WAY too much FOX news; Barack Hussein Obama (first name meaning "blessing", by the way) is most definitely a patriot. What sort of man runs for president of a country he doesn't like? You how much of a waste of time and money and effort and energy that would be? Come on! That saluting the flag was a foolish mishap, but don't be so ignorant and think he doesn't support your grandfather, or your brother. My grandfather was in the Navy, as well. Obama has plenty of times saluted the flag and placed his hand on his heart; this was insignificant and trivial. The comment he made was also not his words; if you bothered to ever check what you say before you say it, you would know that it was a FALSE statement from a CONSERVATIVE newspaper satire column by John Semmens.

Read,

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-pin.htm

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm

Also check http://fightthesmears.com/ to read up on LIES from people on either side of the debates.

Putin endorses Obama? Come on, think before you type, man. That's just plain dumb.

Palin has done nothing- NOTHING- with her political career. I challenge you to name one thing she has done in her office positions as mayor and governor. Obama beat (15? Something like that) democratic nominees and the republican candidate for senator, and then the democratic candidates (and Hilary) in the presidential election.

The one thing I WILL agree with you on is the economy; it's both our faults. But it was the Reagan administration and Bush, Sr. who got rid of the programs that Roosevelt put in to fix the Depression. Granted, Clinton didn't help in the 90's when he signed off on that and deregulation, but y'all have had eight years in office and have done nothing for it- most recently, you're to blame.

I also will say that the senate hasn't done much, but that's for two reasons. One is Nancy Pelosi is a moron, and two it's because we don't really have a majority. It's like split evenly, with the swing vote on Lieberman (two-timing #$)@!) who often votes republican. Without a real majority, it's hard to accomplish anything of importance.

Side: Barack Obama
2 points

BTW, I was undecided when I joined but thanks to amazing people and their influential opinions (mostly sarahcuda girl0 I'm a McCain person now. I also want to get the word out that if you look around a lot of contests are being won by Obama voters. That's only because the people for McCain are happy people who know who they like and stand by them, whereas Obama fanatics run around on every single site preching how great he is and stuff. They have like 10 accounts to vote for things a zillion times and can't just let it go. They're obsessed.. weirdosssss.....

Side: Obama is not as great as he seems
2 points

Undecidedgal, I appreciate your opinion. But I invite you to take a look, and stop reading either mine or others' arguments. Check and research- watch the debates, the news. Watch the commentators after debates. Read newspapers. That's how you formulate an opinion, not by looking at these incredibly biased idiotic statements. The thing is, I could say that "Oh, McCain cares about women because he picked Palin" (which is NOT true at ALL), or I could say that "Palin wants to kill polar bears". Both statements are untrue, but they could sway an undecided if they haven't done their homework. Read CNN, MSNBC, (FOX, but don't take them too seriously), BBC, and others. It'll be worth it, trust me.

Side: John McCain
1 point

Alright first off for those who think you know what your talking about because you watch the news. yeah no go learn more by reading about them and reading BOTH candidates issues. first obama promises change which he doesn't say how it will be different not even on his web site it just says he WILL do this and that mccain i feel has a better economic plan and healthcare plan. obama if you read carefully on his web site explains to you how he will scam you out of your money; by creating a simplified tax form that takes away your deductables all so you can live a easier life because we americans are becoming LAZY. and i believe it is your right to have health care and i still support mccain even though he has a more moderate health care plan he is better than obamas

McCain '08

Side: John McCain
Probama123(44) Disputed
3 points

Alright obviously Obama is going to change the way this country is headed because he is a Democrat and George Bush is a republican. They have completely differing views, which means Obama is obviously going to be different then Bush that goes without question. Obama's tax cuts allow the middle class to gain more money rather then making the rich richer. However it clearly says that McCain is willing to support entrepreneurs, aka salesmen who are very often rich and cut their taxes by 20%. Making the rich richer doesn't help america.

Obama '08

Side: Barack Obama
1 point

Right on! He doesn't even know HOW to change...What a numbskull!

McCain '08

Side: John McCain
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
1 point

What do you mean "HOW to change"? Have you BEEN to his website?

Side: Barack Obama
Jamais(268) Disputed
1 point

Oh my goodness! Campaignmngr huh. Ok.

Given your specific request that we educate ourselves on both candidates, you seem to be claiming that you in fact have.

-" obama promises change which he doesn't say how it will be different not even on his web site it just says he WILL do this"

On Senator Obama's website there is a very specific plan available to anyone who visits the site. It is called "Blueprint for Change"

-"mccain i feel has a better economic plan"

McCain says that our economy is fundamentally strong as investment firms collapse and the stock market plunges. Can you say GAFFE?

These are the two statements you made that made think that you are a perfect representative of the republican voter. Scary.

If you decide to actually take your own advice and educate yourself on both, you might also take a look at some writing and grammar tips.

Side: Barack Obama
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
0 points

Okay, first off: really? McCain? Todd, you're a moderate republican. McCain, my friend, is

not

a moderate

republican.

He is a conservative conservative conservative, and always has been. There was a time, admittedly, where even I liked him as a democrat, when he told the current republicans to stuff it. But that was before he showed his true colors, and he has very clearly shown himself to be a serious conservative, and has not tried in any serious attempts to be bipartisan.

As for your stupid idea that Obama would make a health form shorter, thereby making people's lives easier even though they have to pay more, I would love for you to post up the section of his site, which I have been to, where he says that.

It does say that his plan will shorten health care forms, yes, and he will lessen costs, deductibles, and other fees. But suggesting using less ink or something would screw the little man is preposterous.

And, I know you didn't mention experience, but Obama-Biden and Palin-McCain just about balance each other out. And I would say, Obama has done a lot more with HIS two years; Palin was only popular because she was governor in a state with oil. Come on.

Obama does say how he is going to strive for change- in fact, he details it in contrast to the Bush administration on the issues section of the site. So I don't understand what you mean when he suggests baseless change.

And for your information, I've yet to see a serious difference between Bush and McCain's policies, aside from the benchmarks on withdrawing from Iraq that BUSH put in and McCAIN wants taken out. Why mess up the only good thing Bush ever did?

Side: John McCain

I am one of the few teens in America that are for McCain but I believe it is right to support him no matter what kind of pressure people put on you to not support him.

Teens for McCain
Side: John McCain
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
1 point

Good ad, but I would say that the majority of those issues Obama was in agreement with McCain, sans the taxes. By the way, where did McCain think he was going to get the money to balance the budget if he was going the (allegedly) lower taxes?

Taxes should be way more proportional to income, like Obama has it. It would be nice to lower middle-income taxes as well, but we simply can't afford that right now. Solution? Make the rich actually pay their dues.

Yay Obama! He won... :D

Side: Barack Obama
1 point

Hmmm. This causes me to wonder how much McCain payed the African-American guy to appear in his campaign.

I mean, I'm no racist, but it seems the majority of African-Americans were this election.

Sad. O so sad.

Side: John McCain
1 point

Haha...not every african american voted for Obama...a friend of mine is black and is a very strong republican who campaigned for McCain/against Obama

Side: Barack Obama
-1 points

I speak for all women when I say we need an feminist advocate in the Whitehorse. Not a women who can't stick up for herself and sits back while her husband does all the work and is only there thanks to her husbands work, but someone who has worked hard to get there. Someone who listens to the people, cares what we think and is ready to fix America. We need someone who has leadership qualities and experience. Liberals make fun of Palin for having no experience, do they realize she has more than Obama himself? Obama never ran a business, never led anything and isn't even home enough now to lead his own family. Sarah ran one of the largest states in the union. She can run America. Obama said it himself, he's only even been in his office for 200 days, he's not qualified to be president. We need a woman, not just any woman, but Sarah Palin to help lead America. I'm not a wacky feminist who worships anything in a skirt, I just generally love Sarah. I didn't like Hilary at all, for example. But I do love Palin and I think she will save our country.

Side: Palin
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
3 points

By the way, don't speak for all women; not all women agree with you. That doesn't mean they're right, but some women feel that they don't need any change in the US for women, nor do they feel a feminist advocate need be in the "Whitehorse".

Side: Barack Obama
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
2 points

Okay, I'll take each point apart at a time. First off, I want to get this point across about Palin. There is no evidence to say that she is a supporter of women's rights. Sure she's a woman, but time and time again people have gotten to positions of power and forgotten about who they are. Don't be so naïve to think that she is going to help you out as a female. If you really were a Democrat, and so was your family (which I find hard to believe if they support McCain now), then you will remember Clinton and his beliefs. If you think that Hilary and Bill are out of the picture, you are sadly mistaken. Chances are, either one of the will end up as a major influence over Obama. Irregardless of that, Obama has openly stated when talking about Hilary that he supports women's status changes in society. Palin has yet to say anything of the sort. As a bumper sticker on Facebook stated so cleverly, and I'm quoting, "Just because she has a vagina doesn't mean she cares about yours."

Palin does not have more experience. He has more time in office- however, I would admit that he has no executive experience. But, while she will have an executive position, her job will be to preside over the senate (if you know your Constitution), which is legislative. She has no experience there. By the way, a lot of Alaska hates her now. Not all, but a lot. Check polls in Alaska and her approval ratings. It reminds me of Bush; he was so popular (God knows why...) and then after his first couple of years, his ratings dropped.

Palin ran a tiny, insignificant company and then became mayor of a tiny, insignificant town and people call her some kind of genius. The she became Governor and has had that position for LESS than 2 years. HOW WILL SHE SAVE OUR COUNTRY? SPECIFICALLY? Nobody can tell me that. WHAT will she do? Whatever is written on her cue cards? Hmmm....

Side: Palin
2 points

I 100% agree with everything you said. By the way, we need a feminist in the white house? What does that even mean? I don't see any legal discrimination against women anywhere in America, women have the same opportunities as men. The fact that she's a woman really has nothing at all to do with her experience or capability to be our country's leader.

Governing the state with the largest landmass isn't really an accomplishment if it has one of the lowest relative populations. It's so small in fact that they can hold caucuses instead of primaries. She ran a small business renting equipment, then ran an extremely small town (pop. about 6000 I believe), and that qualifies her to be the Vice President? I honestly don't even trust her to preside over the senate in which her only power is a tie breaking vote, and I for certain don't trust her to take over in the event (god forbid) that something happens to McCain in office.

Palin is basically a puppet used by the McCain campaign to get the votes of women like you, and crazy baby loving churches who somehow find the fact that she didn't have an abortion qualifies her to have a role of consequence in our government. It's quite ridiculous to me.

Side: Barack Obama
-2 points
SHHOUGH(23) Disputed
1 point

Okay, first of all: It's Barack Hussein, not Husain (wrong spelling), Obama, not Osoma (which, again, is not correct- Osama bin Laden is spelled Osama, not Osoma). McCain was a POW- FACT. Correct. Obama is not, was not, and will not be a terrorist, and is not related to Saddam Hussein. I don't know what your point is. Plus, insulting Iraq by insinuating that switching Barack with Iraq is somehow insulting disregards the whole nation and I think you owe a country much older than ours a little more credit. Barack means blessing in Hebrew, just so you know. Slandering him with nonsense is just that: nonsense. Furthermore, I don't care who is aggravated by this but while McCain was indeed a POW, and no one disputes his courage and fortitude, he really was not the best soldier. He barely squeaked through his military schooling, and remained while he was there at the bottom of the class rankings. He was behaviorally challenged while there and also crashed a plane or two- the only reason he wasn't kicked out and forgone his free education was because of his father. And, whether or not you choose to believe all of what I just said, he was only shot down and taken as a POW because he was flying in the wrong place. He was never supposed to be where he was. I AM NOT DISHONORING HIM- he is a war hero for remaining in the camp and everything, I understand, but he is not the man for president.

By the way, lostmma, check out fightthesmears.com where there is a detailed explanation for every attack against Obama, including accusations that he is a Muslim (not that there is anything wrong with that, but he's not), that he is not an American-born citizen (which he is; his birth certificate is online on that site), and that he [still] has ties to Bill Ayers- also disproved on the site.

Side: Barack Obama
repubgal(336) Disputed
1 point

Let me guess....

You are from the south...

No doubt in my mind...

Side: John McCain