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The Democrat party always explains which abortions are ok, but never which ones are not.
For decades, the Democrat Party and the Left has spent all their time fighting for the right to kill unborn babies, while never distinguishing or differentiating the healthy viable late term babies that should be protected. Do you see their priorities? They are so quick to speak out on the right to kill unborn babies, but never give one thought to all the healthy late term viable babies that they should be demanding are protected.
WHERE IS THEIR TOLERANCE AND COMPASSION FOR THESE BABIES? They have NONE because these viable healthy babies with healthy mothers can not vote! It's all about big money from feminist and pro abortion lobbies! Money supercedes innocent life!
This is just one more example of their radical support for No Restriction abortions, even when the vast majority of Americans say they want restrictions on late term abortions.
To all the phoney people who say you do not agree with late term abortions for convienence, tell me what restrictions do you want and why have you not forced the Democrat party to clearly differentiate and prevent late term abortions for convienence?
If you refused to vote for them in one election cycle, clearly telling them why, we would see a new abortion bill protecting healthy viable babies within a year.
How could you vote for a Party that refuses to make abortions laws protecting the thousands of healthy viable babies with healthy mothers? The answer is obvious. You are complete phonies and could not care less for these viable babies.
Every article a read from Pro abortion extremists, speaks to how only approximately 1.7% of abortions are late term.
DO THE NUMBERS!
1.7% of 700,000 abortions per year adds up to over 10,000 per year.
Maybe you think 10,000 innocent viable lives are not worth fighting for, but that would show your lack of humanity.
The phonies who could not care less, will now say how some of those 10,000 abortions are extreme cases.
GET THE POINT! You phonies care not how many are extreme cases and how many are for convienence. No one differentiates and tries to protect those healthy viable babies killed for convienence in the 8 or 9 No Restriction abortion States.
YOU AND THE DEMOCRAT PARTY COULD NOT CARE LESS!
During the Partial Birth Abortion hearings in Congress, Doctors testified that the majority of those types of late term abortions were done on Special Need's babies. The next time you watch Special Olympics on TV, I want you to think about the fact that you support killing these Special children for merely being different and diverse.
They do not look exactly like you, or they don't sound exactly like you.......KILL THEM!
You support the deaths of all viable babies for any reason everytime you vote for this radical pro abortion Democrat Party. Will that effect your vote next time. I truly doubt it because you simply DO NOT CARE, even though you deceptive phonies say you do care.
For those who would vote for the Democrat Party. If you have an ounce of integrity, and an ounce of caring for these late term lives, speak out to your Party, or any politician who will not clearly define which viable babies should be protected.
You will find that you are speaking on deaf ears. They create abortion laws that brings in the feminist and pro abortion money.
The only thing you have that will make them listen is your vote! USE IT!
I do not know much about the Democratic party's ideologies, but I agree that No Restrictions abortion is morally wrong. If you want to abort, do it in the first few weeks. People should have the right to abort, but only early on.
Early term abortions are not ok unless extreme cases.
People who support early term abortions have a little more humanity then the Democrat Party because they want to make sure the baby never feels pain, or could survive on it's own after 20 weeks.
People who support early term abortions have a little more humanity then the Democrat Party because they want to make sure the baby never feels pain, or could survive on it's own after 20 weeks.
Following that logic, that seems horribly inhumane to me. Is it okay to kill someone if you give them anesthetic first so they can't feel pain? Or if they're on life support?
Following that logic, that seems horribly inhumane to me. Is it okay to kill someone if you give them anesthetic first so they can't feel pain? Or if they're on life support?
This is an interesting and valid point. Note, the argument for early term abortions being acceptable is more along the lines that a new conscious life form has yet to enter the world rather then it feels no pain (that is my argument at least, and it is more like the first 8-12 weeks (or before, certainly the first 3 weeks) that this applies, not 20 weeks which is getting pretty far out in my view)
. Note, the argument for early term abortions being acceptable is more along the lines that a new conscious life form has yet to enter the world rather then it feels no pain
Wait, says who? How do you know that a 'new conscious life form' enters the world at some point in the first 8-12 weeks? And why is consciousness what makes something alive? Why is a 12 week old fetus conscious and alive and a 4 week old baby or a sperm or egg aren't? This way of arguing for abortions really doesn't make a lot of sense for me.
Note, there is no "hard line" for when possible conciousness of the fetus begins, which is why I am coming down on the side of cautIon (early on)
But why come down early on post conception? I don't see why this logic can't be extended earlier in the process. When a man mastrubates, those sperm aren't seeking an egg, and thus potential life ends. When a woman has her period, she's failed to get pregnant and thus a potential life has ended.
1) As I have already explained, we know enough to conclude the state of an organism's Nervous System is inextricably bound to ones consciousness/sentience or lack thereof (even though we by no means know nearly everything concerning the matter of Consciousness, that doesn't mean we know nothing)
2) Subjectivity (or lack thereof) is the relevant factor
As I have already explained, we know enough to conclude the state of an organism's Nervous System is inextricably bound to ones consciousness/sentience or lack thereof
Can you explain a little more? How do 'we' know this?
2) Subjectivity (or lack thereof) is the relevant factor
Debating is often about trying to convince others of why your subjective viewpoint is the right one. And on a potentially life and death issue like this one where you're arguing that it's okay to abort a fetus at 8 or 12 weeks but not at 20, backing up that subjectivity with some arguments is kinda necessary.
Can you explain a little more? How do 'we' know this?
Sure. We know from modern Neurology that everything about your mind can be damaged by damaging your brain. For instance, you can lose the ability to recognize faces, lose the ability to make new long term memories, ect. ect. Thus, if you damage one part of the brain and something about your mind and subjectivity is lost, if you damage more, then yet more is lost/compromised, if you damage your entire brain/mind system at death, then you effectively go "offline" (are no longer conscious and do not have a subjective experience). Now, this applies to the beginning of human life as well because it takes time for these systems to develop.
And on a potentially life and death issue like this one where you're arguing that it's okay to abort a fetus at 8 or 12 weeks but not at 20, backing up that subjectivity with some arguments is kinda necessary.
This "timeline" argument follows from my above explanation. That is, it takes time for a fetus to develop a Nervous System of sufficient complexity to generate subjective experience/consciousness (although it is not at all clear when this happens after the Nervous System begins to develop). No Nervous System begins to develop for the first 3 weeks, thus there is no potential for subjective experience (that we currently are aware of and have strong reasons to believe our understanding is correct). After the 3 week mark, a Nervous System does begin to develop, although it is not nearly as complex as a developed infants. This is why I restrict it to the first trimester at most if not quite sooner (before real subjectivity begins to take root--I am open to being pushed back some more weeks also based on this same reasoning)
You know exactly what I am saying. I don't support any abortions other than life of mother and maybe a few oter extreme cases.
It's a human life no matter which stage, but i am saying those who only support 1st trimester abortions are a tiny bit less inhumane than the No Restriction Democrat party. They care about the pain and viablility.
I agree with what you are saying. Pro abortion people who say the baby can not live on it's own can be killed. But when a person is on life support for awhile, we do not call him less than a valuable life deserving of protection.
It's a human life no matter which stage, but i am saying those who only support 1st trimester abortions are a tiny bit less inhumane than the No Restriction Democrat party. They care about the pain and viability.
You see, when you say here that it's just a 'tiny bit less inhumane,' that doesn't quite match up with you saying that you use this example to show the extremism of the democratic party.
It really seems like you're arguing that a late term abortion is notably worse and more extreme than an early term abortion. Which implies that a baby further along in development has a different level of importance and 'alive'ness.
I've made it clear the distinction between the GOP and the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party supports all abortions, and the GOP does not. The Democrat Party has forced tax payers to pay for abortions through medicaid, etc.
The GOP's platform is prolife and how far they will be able to bring back the sanctity of life depends on the voters. If the voters elect 60 Republican senators, they will have enoguh votes to ignore the pro death Democrat Party.
Trump instantly stopped American tax payers from paying for oversea's abortions.
I will always vote for the Prolife politician because innocent life will by far be the most important of issues.
You are correct, there is no difference in the value of that unborn life no matter the stage. The only difference is the pain of being dismembered. When you see the viable late term babies inside the womb, you can more easily picture the barbarity of taking their lives, but there is no difference between stages and the inhumanity involved.
Other than Life of Mother abortions and maybe some crazy rare extreme cases, all abortions should be outlawed.
I've made it clear the distinction between the GOP and the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party supports all abortions, and the GOP does not. The Democrat Party has forced tax payers to pay for abortions through medicaid, etc.
Oh, there's no doubt that the Democratic party supports legal access to abortion and the Republican party does not.
And yet, you constantly specify 'late term' in all of your rhetoric, which is why I bring it up. If that's not what you're actually arguing or it's inconsistent with how you feel about what abortions are and when life begins, then, to use your favorite word, you're being deceptive.
You obiously have no clue to what I have said many times.
I differentiate what the GOP and what the Democrat Party support with regards to the GOP 20 week compromise abortion bill. This issue is clearly defined between Parties. There is no grey area for people on the Left to say both sides are just as bad.
This issue of late term abortion clearly shows the huge difference between both sides when it comes to a culture of life, verses a barbaric culture of No Restriction death. The Democrat party is tied to the radical feminist and aborton lobbies. It's all about money and votes, and the Left has sold their humanity for big money and politcal support.
If the Democrat Party had the least of humanity and compromised with the GOP, we could then find out what the true stances of the politicians were on 1st and 2nd trimester abortions.
As usual, when voting we are most times left with the lessor of two evils. At the moment, I can at least save late term babies when voting for the GOP. Trump has already prevented my tax dollars from paying to kill babies in other nations. It sickens me that I have to pay for medicaid abortions, and I hope the GOP can stop that as well.
I've never said every Repubican wants to ban all abortions (except for extreme cases, which is what I someday hope for), because they know this culture of selflove and abortions for convienence would kick them all out of office and we would be Left with radical pro abortion socialists destroying this nation.
The GOP is trying to change this slippery slope Progressive culture of death to once again lift up the importance of the sanctity of innocent life, as being an inalienable right for all our children.
Well, at the early stages, it is just a clump of particles that doesn't resemble life. In the later stages though, it is already developing, and therefore, could be classified as life.
Well, at the early stages, it is just a clump of particles that doesn't resemble life. In the later stages though, it is already developing, and therefore, could be classified as life.
The process of 'life developing' arguably begins long before conception.
If you believe what you just said, then never vote for the Democrat Party because they support No Restriction abortions. If you elect them, you are a phoney when it comes to No Restrictin abortions, and you might as well use the forcepts on those viable late term babies yourself, because it would be people like you keeping it legal.
Bernie Sanders supports No Restriction abortions, so you are a phoney if you say you do not support them. You would keep it legal with your vote if you coud by electing Bernie Sanders.
Do you understand what I am talking about?
I'm sick of people claiming they do not agree with late term abortions, but never do a thing to prevent them. If people stop electing those who keep No Restrictionb abortions legal, IT WILL END!
It is that simple. Put your vote where your mouth is.
I would vote for him, because he has some absolutely great ideas, and would be the better president. Because I disagree with him on one thing, doesn't mean I disagree with the rest of his ideas.
That one thing is killing healthy viable late term babies for any reason up to birth! There is no more important issue on this planet. I bet Germans thought Hitler had great ideas also. I bet they over looked that one issue of hating Jews!
If you can not grasp the importance of that ONE THING (No Restriction abortions), then you are every bit the phoney I call all Pro choicers who try to deny their support for No Restriction abortions.
You could not care less for those viable babies and always show it with your vote.
YOU JUST SAID IF YOU COULD VOTE IN AMERICA YOU WOULD VOTE FOR BERNIE SANDERS WHO SUPPORTS THAT ONE THING OF NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!
Ok, we are through here. I have beaten my head against a stone wall too many times with deniers who try to pretend they care about the lives of late term babies.
This is not a Democrat or Republican issue. It is and has always was been a United States Constitutional issue.
The point to be made against abortion as illegality is not made as limit on a woman’s right to make self-incriminations publicly against herself. It is self-incrimination as an attack made against the United States Constitution which is what takes place with smarter intellectual ways a public can claim a felony crime can be undertaken.
The word abortion combined with pregnancy is the basic prediction of officially stopping human life. Which in turn is like asking us for permission to kill some-one. The use of wording is not limiting who is taking place in the self-incrimination when made. Abortion plus pregnancy simple pointing out the intended victim will always be a child, as aborting adults lives are not the common way people say, or will admit kill someone, by threat. Therefore some special circumstance can be applied by suggesting time frame.
THE YOUNG ARE NOT THE ONLY VICTUM. MURDER IS NOT THE ONLY CRIME THAT NEEDED JUSTIFICATION. What is important is that the self-incrimination is shared openly to the public, then spreads uncontrolled into the general population. This happens whenever the combination of wording pregnancy and abortion are suggested, medically, as natural abortions are often described as a miscarriage.
To illustrate Constitutional separation by meaning, the words Gender Specific Amputation combined together or including the word pregnancy, clearly only admit surgical removal of some kind, not the officially stop expressed by abort, which then turns into termination as the restart can never officially take place in conjunction with any plans, like let’s say aborting a medical surgery.
The second United States Constitutional argument made against direct pregnancy abortion legislation is finding public separation to the self-incrimination of declaration to Civil War. A Law is claiming intellectual right to officially forecast the end life, and not simple take steps of separation. This however address the argument made between Civil legal accusation Death Penalty and Constitutional Capital Punishment.
On a regular basis, the Left treats the Constitution as a living document than can be changed on the whims of the current culture.
This has led to the insanity of including abortion as a privacy issue spoken to in the Constitution.
This is how far the Left will twist the meaning of our constitution. The privacy clause now includes the privacy to taken an innocent life.
They twisted the Constitution to force every State to change their marriage laws, by calling it an equal right's issue. Under that sweeping logic, a man can say he should be allowed to have 30 wives in every State. He will say it is his equal right to do so.
All groups can demand anything they want under the all inclusive equal right's argument.
