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The End Our Rebublic

Ben Franklin: When people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the rebublic. 

Our presidential election of 2012 evidenced this prophecy.  Should it happen again in 2016, the dye will have been set into the fabric of our nation and Obama's "fundamental change for America" will have doomed us all to a path toward the darkness of socialism. 

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Civilisations have come and gone for thousands of years

Gibbons Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire is a classic in this genre and there are some who claim that we are facing the end of the age of democracy, and who can predict what will come next for those who survive the changes....?

Ah yes, not once before 2012 did people ever vote in a way that they believed would directly benefit themselves. This is an entirely new concept that has never occurred before in this country's history and now we are seeing the end days.

Come now Daver, let's be serious.

daver(1771) Disputed
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The difference now is that for the first time the leaches have numbered a total that decides elections. This is new and this is bad.

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"Leaches" And now we insult those who are worse off than we are.

At least that class warfare of yours isn't new.

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If there is not an codified explicit relationship between government and economics, people will be able to vote money into their pockets. This has been the case in the U.S. for a long time. It is unhealthy for a nations political economy, but the decline is often slow and inconsistent. So, yes it's bad. But no, Obama didn't initiate it. The dye was caste a long time ago. I would argue the flaw was in our founding.

daver(1771) Disputed
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The flaw resides in the hearts of those who have followed our founders. The relentless progressive liberals, who have altered the underpinnings of our constitution. Who have sought "fundamental change for America". These are the enemies of our union.

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Daver, Conservatives have altered the underpinnings of our Constitution as well. Pretty much everyone has, because it has been over 200 years.

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Yay you will be more like Europe. Maybe your incarceration rate will go down and your foreign policy will stop resembling that of a spoilt teenager with too much power. It probably means you will have less money though.

daver(1771) Disputed
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Yay we will be as the fallen empires of Europe. Brought down by socialist dogma. Rendered impotent by our own doing. We, like all those before us will succumb to the false promise of equality in all things. If it not for the independent spirit that bore our nation, we could relinquish all hope today.

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So Germany is "fallen"? It is "brought down"? The Scandinavian Social Democracies have "relinquished hope"?

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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The European Union is far from impotent. It is funny when you compare the quality of life in Germany or the Scandinavian countries with that in the USA and you say it is fallen. Sure maybe they aren't as rich and can't invade anywhere they like without repercussions but that isn't really the point of life is it.