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Okay, my first reason why I don't believe in the Christian God is because of a verse we all know and love: Leviticus 20:9 "'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."
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I mean, how can a perfect God have filicidal thoughts?
You have to ask yourself why did God set up that law in the first place. The reason why God set that law up was because it is unnatural for children to curse their parents. Children were to obey and respect their parents rather then disobeying or cursing them.
I am pretty sure the parents who lived in a Jewish home had children that didn't curse their parents. They probably knew not to curse at their parents but rather obey them and honor their parents.
I am also pretty sure that the children saw the consequences of what would happen if they cursed their parents.
Also you have to understand that the Bible's definition of cursing was the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc not dropping the f bomb at your parents and a big part of their life was blessing and cursing people. ( Cursing people (not dropping the f bomb, and blessing someone was a big deal in that time period.)
Also another point is that their was no such thing as swear words back then and so the original definition of cursed was to wish someone was dead, or something bad to come upon them, not to swear at your parents.
You have to ask yourself why did God set up that law in the first place. The reason why God set that law up was because it is unnatural for children to curse their parents. Children were to obey and respect their parents rather then disobeying or cursing them.
I don't believe that is a reason. Well, not a logical reason. You can't say that God disliked swearing because no one swears- that doesn't justify anything. And you can't just assume they were all goody-two-shoes as well.
I am pretty sure the parents who lived in a Jewish home had children that didn't curse their parents. They probably knew not to curse at their parents but rather obey them and honor their parents.
What? How could you even begin to be "pretty sure"? You do know people have been using swear words for as long as they've been able to speak.
And how could you stereotype a whole culture?
I am also pretty sure that the children saw the consequences of what would happen if they cursed their parents.
What the hell? And you call this justification?
If children saw the consequences, that would mean that they would be watching other children being stoned to death! That does not help your case when there are innocent children already being brutally murdered.
Also you have to understand that the Bible's definition of cursing was the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc not dropping the f bomb at your parents and a big part of their life was blessing and cursing people. ( Cursing people (not dropping the f bomb, and blessing someone was a big deal in that time period.)
How incorrect can you get?
Other versions of this verse clearly use the word "dishonor" or "revileth."
And guess what revileth means; To Insult in a Verbal Manner. And we all know what insulting people verbally means; To swear.
Also you have to understand that the Bible's definition of cursing was the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc not dropping the f bomb at your parents and a big part of their life was blessing and cursing people.
Why do you think that all children are little witches that are able to curse people to doom?
If you don't think that, and believe that curses are wishing ill of someone in a purely verbal manner, then that is still classified as a harmless verbal insult! And that far from justifies why they would deserve such a slow, brutal and bloody death! So a "curse" as you say it, and a swear word, are very much the same- same to the point that they don't morally require being stoned.
Fail...
Also another point is that their was no such thing as swear words back then and so the original definition of cursed was to wish someone was dead, or something bad to come upon them, not to swear at your parents.
What the hell? I'm pretty sure there were swear words back then. When Jesus was up on the cross, they teased him, using swear words. AND, in your retarded irrational little world, even if they did curse in a manner of wishing someone harm, THEY ARE STILL WORDS.
So your futile attempt of justification has failed, making you seem more like an incorrect, inbred bigot.
Yes the Christian God does exist. If you look at the evidence there is a lot of evidence that the Christian God exists.
First the Bible tells us that there was 500 witnesses who saw Jesus after the He rose from the grave, plus the Roman officer who all he did for a living was kill people and He knew that Jesus was God. You have the four authors of the Bible that tell you what the saw but they still believe in one thing that Jesus was God but they wrote in different styles.
There was also the disciples who saw Jesus and were eyewitnesses of Jesus and all they had back then to record is paper and pen. If you saw back then would you record that He was alive?
Also if Jesus didn't rise from the grave our belief is useless, the songs that we sing to Jesus are useless.
Saying that such and such saw such and such within a book that also says that people can wake from the dead, donkeys can talk and a man was able to fit 3,000,000 animals in a minuscule boat with them not dying within a period of time of over a month- (Which some animals can't last,) leaves a gaping hole, leaving to question whether the bible is any different between a Harry Potter book stating that Harry Potter saw a centaur.
Without the Bible we wouldn't have evidence that God existed. Harry Potter has nothing to do with God. Stay on topic here. There was evidence that people saw Jesus rise ppl from the grave. You have to realize that it was different back then. They didn't have the same technology back then as we do today. All they had was pen and paper to record stuff down. How will people know that you exist in 200 years from now? We have records that state that you existed 200 years from now.
Its the same thing with the Jesus. The Bible is proof of what Jesus did in the New Testament.
Harry Potter has nothing to do with God. Stay on topic here.
It is a popular example pointing out that the bible is merely a story book- not to be taken seriously. If the bible says that a person saw a person, a book like Harry Potter can say a person saw a person.
There was evidence that people saw Jesus rise ppl from the grave.
I could write on a piece of paper that some dude saw someone rise from the dead.
Anyway, people rising from the dead is a mere fantasy, just like the fairies under my garden.
you have to realize that it was different back then. They didn't have the same technology back then as we do today. All they had was pen and paper to record stuff down. How will people know that you exist in 200 years from now?
I already know that they didn't have advanced technology then, but how would you know that a person writing about talking donkeys is telling the truth when he says that someone saw someone?
I could write on a piece of paper that some dude saw someone rise from the dead.
Anyway, people rising from the dead is a mere fantasy, just like the fairies under my garden.
Do you have evidence to back it up that you wrote it down on a piece of paper? Are you willing to die for what you just wrote on a piece of paper? See the Bible has evidence the Jesus did exist. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John who are the four gospel authors that saw Jesus Christ and recorded what they saw. That is evidence that they saw Him and also all four of them would be willing to die for Christ just like Christ died for us.
Do you have evidence to back it up that you wrote it down on a piece of paper?
I just said wrote it on a piece of paper. Are you saying you are not believing that I physically picked up a pen and started writing?
Are you willing to die for what you just wrote on a piece of paper?
Wait what? No...
You got it all wrong!
See the Bible has evidence the Jesus did exist. You have Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John who are the four gospel authors that saw Jesus Christ and recorded what they saw.
As I said before, they also recorded "talking donkeys."
Where is your proof that what they've written is historical evidence? Do you know how easy it is to write stuff down and lie about it? What makes you believe that the bible is truthful? Is it years of indoctrination- stemming from a young age?
Just like that verse on how God ordered parents to kill their children... do you believe that God (Who is Omnibenevolent) is capable of doing that?
I just said wrote it on a piece of paper. Are you saying you are not believing that I physically picked up a pen and started writing?
Are you willing to back up the evidence that you wrote it down on a piece of paper?
Wait what? No...
You got it all wrong!
You proved my point see if you write down something that is false you wouldn't die for the something that is false. But see the four authors of the Gospel, they were willing to die for Christ and they became martyrs because they saw Jesus rise from the dead and all the miraculous signs that Jesus did.
Numbers 22:28 proves that they recorded that God opened the mouth of the donkey so he could speak.
What makes me believe that the Bible is truthful is because its God and God is perfect and He doesn't lie. So all of the information in the Bible is true. Also God provided evidence that God does exist.
Are you willing to back up the evidence that you wrote it down on a piece of paper?
I just told you. I writ it down after I saw a dead guy come out of his grave in the cemetery next door.
^^^Come on, these are words. I thought words were enough for you to believe^^^
You proved my point see if you write down something that is false you wouldn't die for the something that is false.
But what I meant was that anyone can write anything. The style of wording in the bible is utterly simplistic if you compare it to the inspiring, in-depth writers of today.
What does that say, about God? Is he mentally deficient?
If I lived 2000 years ago and writ a story book about someone watching someone come back from the dead, would you believe it? Even if no one has ever been recorded to have officially been resurrected in history.
And also, how can you say there were five hundred witnesses? You couldn't just count a crowd full of people one-by-one like that, and completely ignore the brief event. These people were moving as well, wearing the same colored clothing- that would of been almost impossible to count.
This also matches a fictional story format, where you can instantly say "There were 1000 Elephants and 3000 mice."
You can't brazenly claim a whole number when recording stuff down, you need to count, and counting takes time.
because they saw Jesus rise from the dead and all the miraculous signs that Jesus did.
The only proof you have is a book. You can't see with a book. You haven't even disputed my other arguments.
The Koran is an ancient book. What makes the Koran less truthful than the bible?
Numbers 22:28 proves that they recorded that God opened the mouth of the donkey so he could speak.
This doesn't prove anything. Anyone can write the bible. It is not hard to do.
What makes me believe that the Bible is truthful is because its God and God is perfect and He doesn't lie.
How do you know the bible is being truthful?
Also, saying that God is perfect isn't a reason. The Literature skills in the bible are appalling for a God, and verses like Leviticus 20:9 is just proof that God is not perfect- therefore, God is non-existent.
You know what quoting Bible verse to you and showing stuff from the Bible you don't accept so I am going to tell you in my own words.
Ok you say that the Bible isn't true because you don't believe there was eyewitness or if you write down something on a piece of paper when people actually eye witnessed it. You must not believe all the court cases through out this entire generation because there is a person who gets paid and writes down what they say, what they saw, and who the person was. Its a manuscript. Just like Bible. There is manuscripts from the four gospels. What is the difference between the person in the court recording and the four authors of the gospels? There is no differences its still the same thing.
So I guess you must not believe all what was written on the court decisions. And you must not believe in newspapers too because those are live reporters that report what they saw on paper which in return they published to the public in the newspaper. (I am not talking about tabloids here. ) They still report on sports the same way so I guess we should throw out all the court decisions and newspapers if you think they aren't true to you because those are actual people who saw.
or if you write down something on a piece of paper when people actually eye witnessed it.
Okay, where did this "actually" come from. Prove to me that these are real eyewitnesses without using "the bible" as your source, because it is only a worded book that says that headless men can stand up, and properly walk, without a brain.
You must not believe all the court cases through out this entire generation because there is a person who gets paid and writes down what they say, what they saw, and who the person was.
I just don't trust a 2000 year old book, full of Tall tales, saying that headless men can walk.
because those are actual people who saw.
Quit making baseless claims. I thought other Atheists on this site already established this- you can't use the bible as a source.
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And dispute my other argument:
That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.
So God values the parents honor over the child's life, health, and future? This isn't justice.
Murdering children cuts down a society by the heart. You can't have a new generation by stoning children.
This law is also clearly immoral, and obviously, no mentally stable family would stone their own child to death.
It also completely goes against evolution as it prevents the continuation of our species.
If you believe that this law was perfectly justified, then we have lost you as a logical human.
The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.
So what if some troll knocked it out. God still made it. He invented it, even when he is supposed to be omnibenevolent.
If you still believe that stoning children to protect "honor" is an act of infinite morality, justice, and goodness, you are a monster. Imagine the pain those children would of went through- they didn't understand what was happening to them. What if someone told them a swear word and they didn't know what it meant?
And trust me, being stoned to death hurt like hell, and took a very long time.
(I wouldn't be surprised if this argument didn't receive a reply.)
I guess since you don't trust a 2000 year old book then you probably don't believe in the many court cases because the court cases are actually documentation of what the the person saw, what the person said, and what the court case is about. You might as well take away all of those because you don't believe in a 2000 year old book. What is the difference between those two? Nothing! Its exactly the same thing. The four authors of the gospel were eyewitness who saw Jesus and this person who gets paid to go to court to write down what the court case is about and who is there and what they said.
What about the sun? The sun is older then the Bible. Why not throw away the sun if you say the Bible is old well the sun is older.
The sun is older then the Bible and yet it still gives off light and heat. Its the same thing with the Bible. The Bible is old but it is still the Word of God. God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Quit making baseless claims. I thought other Atheists on this site already established this- you can't use the bible as a source.
If I can't use a Bible as a source then you can't use evolution and science as a source to disprove the existence of God.
Understand the meaning of omnibenevolence. If you find that murdering children for "honor" is NOT infinitely moral, then you have reached a point of reasoning. If you think that it is infinitely moral to murder children (via painful stoning) then you are mentally unbalanced. This logic is clear and sound.
Contemplate this, listen to reason, and understand what I am telling you.
i have decided that it is not worth agruing with you because you don't get what i a trying to say. i have provided you with all the evidence i have but you "don't think its evidence”. so i am done with this. you will never get it until you finally are in hell. i will let God deal with you.
Well I am not going to write any more agruements. Its useless arguing over the existence of God. You will never get it until you finally see God when you are face to face to Him when you die and then you will believe that God exists but it would be too late for you to believe.
I am not going to dispute your agrument that you wrote. I told its worthless trying to prove God exists when you don't get it and you will never get it.
I told its worthless trying to prove God exists when you don't get it and you will never get it.
Waa waa! You don't get it! Yoouuu don't get it! wwwaaaaaaaa!
Please, stop crying about it.
I am an atheist, genius.
No shit I don't except your beliefs. Every Atheist doesn't accept your beliefs.
Is it not wrong to believe that murdering children is wrong? I bet you love watching children getting stoned to death. That's what your God loves, anyway.
Waa waa! You don't get it! Yoouuu don't get it! wwwaaaaaaaa!
Please, stop crying about it.
I am an atheist, genius.
No shit I don't except your beliefs. Every Atheist doesn't accept your beliefs.
Is it not wrong to believe that murdering children is wrong? I bet you love watching children getting stoned to death. That's what your God loves, anyway.
1. I think your the one crying because you just said waaaa and thats what people do when they cry so I ain't crying.
2. No I don't like it when children gets stoned to death and also that law was from the past. It got abolished. Just like slavery. Slavery was abolished in the United States and no one does it today. Everyone is free.
I know God loves me because He loved us first before we born. God doesn't go by those rules anymore about if you swear then you will get stoned.
What arguments? Aren't you supposed to be saving souls? What a fail christian...
We have came to a point where I have written an argument in which has logically disproved God's omnibenevolence. You have written no argument after that except for red herrings. Is a dispute too much to ask for?
I don't believe in God damn it. So when you die, you will see nothing, Noob.
What arguments? Aren't you supposed to be saving souls? What a fail christian...
Well I am supposed to be talking about Christ and if someone doesn't want to believe in God its their choice not mine. You might think I fail but I know I will succeed I have God with me.
I don't believe in God damn it. So when you die, you will see nothing, Noob.
This is a debate site and dispute my argument
I will see something Heaven or Hell. But of course your mind have all this evil inside. Its Satan that told you to be an atheist and told you that there is no God.
I told you that I am not going to dispute your agrument its no use to even talk to you because you don't get it and will never get it.
I told you that I am not going to dispute your agrument its no use to even talk to you because you don't get it and will never get it.
You don't get it.
My argument is reaching out to you, but you are ignoring it. Leave this site if you aren't willing to debate.
You are not helping your case by brazenly calling out things I do not believe in. You have to make me believe, as I do to you.
Your place in this debate is no higher than mine. You may think your side is right, but you need to learn how to have an open mind, and at least listen to the other side, as that is another requirement of debate.
Right now, we have stopped, and you are trying to avoid my argument. That means you are currently at the lower hand in this debate, unless you come up with a rebuttal.
No more superstitious ad hominem closed minded insults in this debate please. Just dispute, dispute, dispute.
All atheists already don't accept your beliefs (Because that's what atheists are) so deal with it. You just need to convince them, as that is what a debate is meant to be.
If you are not willing to debate, then why are you on this site.
You clearly have an "inbred" way of thinking.
If you can't bother argue, then I suggest you leave.
How can I convice you to accept my beliefs when I give you evidence that God exists and you think that writing something down is false. And I made a point about if you don't believe that the Bible is true you musn't think the newspapers, reporters, or court cases are true because those people saw what they wrote down and you must not believe that because it was written.
If you can't bother argue, then I suggest you leave.
I am not going to leave this site. Even if you think I should I won't. I bet that when I leave you will be rejoicing I left because you won't have to deal with my crap anymore. And who cares what you say about me because I am not worried about it. Say all you like about me I don't give a crap.
Also another reason why I haven't disputed your agruments is because everytime I say something about the existence of God you don't understand anything I say. So its not worth proving the existence of God to you. Its like talking to someone and then they won't accept what I believe.
Also another reason why I haven't disputed your agruments is because everytime I say something about the existence of God you don't understand anything I say.
Clearly an excuse.
The argument I have provided is what we are talking about here, your arguments prove nothing yet my current argument actually logically proves that God prefers to murder children for protecting "honor," which is not omnibenevolent, which is therefor contradictory of his status, proving him non-existent in sound logic.
I do understand your arguments, but they are flawed.
You seem to be gullible about many things.
So its not worth proving the existence of God to you. Its like talking to someone and then they won't accept what I believe.
No shit.
This a debate site. It is your responsibility to make me accept what you believe. Clearly, you aren't doing a good job about that. You need to get informed, and get help. It seems other Christians have been asking for you to seek help also. You just are a little misinformed due to indoctrination at a young age.
The Pope is a smart guy- he actually listens. That is why he has accepted Evolution as viable.
And would you be so nice to dispute my argument about filicide?
Okay, my first reason why I don't believe in the Christian God is because of a verse we all know and love: Leviticus 20:9 "'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."
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I mean, how can a perfect God have filicidal thoughts?
That is from the Old Testament. Christians don't go by the Old Testament. Most modern day Christians follow Jesus Christ in the New Testament and plus Jesus abolished those rules because those were for the Jews.
But have you ever thought why God made those laws in the first place?
Do you think "A cuss for the life of a child" is law? Even for an Omnibenevolent God?
This law has no apparent use for ancient society, in fact, it was a poison to society in those days.
Please, do contemplate this. You need to understand.
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Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Are you saying he's lying about this verse.
Matthew 5:17 .....'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.'
He says to bring full meaning to it, and exalt it- that's what fulfillment means.
Matthew 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Are you saying he's lying about this verse.
Matthew 5:17 .....'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.'
He says to bring full meaning to it, and exalt it- that's what fulfillment means.
That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.
The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.
That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.
So God values the parents honor over the child's life, health, and future? This isn't justice.
Murdering children cuts down a society by the heart. You can't have a new generation by stoning children.
This law is also clearly immoral, and obviously, no mentally stable family would stone their own child to death.
It also completely goes against evolution as it prevents the continuation of our species.
If you believe that this law was perfectly justified, then we have lost you as a logical human.
The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.
So what if some troll knocked it out. God still made it. He invented it, even when he is supposed to be omnibenevolent.
If you still believe that stoning children to protect "honor" is an act of infinite morality, justice, and goodness, you are a monster. Imagine the pain those children would of went through- they didn't understand what was happening to them. What if someone told them a swear word and they didn't know what it meant?
And trust me, being stoned to death hurt like hell, and took a very long time.
(I wouldn't be surprised if this argument didn't receive a reply.)
Not really. I am not angry and when I debate I don't angry. Its annoying how I have to respond to everything you say when I don't want to say anything at all because you think I should dispute your argument because its a debate site.
That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.
So God values the parents honor over the child's life, health, and future? This isn't justice.
Murdering children cuts down a society by the heart. You can't have a new generation by stoning children.
This law is also clearly immoral, and obviously, no mentally stable family would stone their own child to death.
It also completely goes against evolution as it prevents the continuation of our species.
If you believe that this law was perfectly justified, then we have lost you as a logical human.
The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.
So what if some troll knocked it out. God still made it. He invented it, even when he is supposed to be omnibenevolent.
If you still believe that stoning children to protect "honor" is an act of infinite morality, justice, and goodness, you are a monster. Imagine the pain those children would of went through- they didn't understand what was happening to them. What if someone told them a swear word and they didn't know what it meant?
And trust me, being stoned to death hurt like hell, and took a very long time.
(I wouldn't be surprised if this argument didn't receive a reply.)
That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.
So God values the parents honor over the child's life, health, and future? This isn't justice.
Murdering children cuts down a society by the heart. You can't have a new generation by stoning children.
This law is also clearly immoral, and obviously, no mentally stable family would stone their own child to death.
It also completely goes against evolution as it prevents the continuation of our species.
If you believe that this law was perfectly justified, then we have lost you as a logical human.
The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.
So what if some troll knocked it out. God still made it. He invented it, even when he is supposed to be omnibenevolent.
If you still believe that stoning children to protect "honor" is an act of infinite morality, justice, and goodness, you are a monster. Imagine the pain those children would of went through- they didn't understand what was happening to them. What if someone told them a swear word and they didn't know what it meant?
And trust me, being stoned to death hurt like hell, and took a very long time.
(I wouldn't be surprised if this argument didn't receive a reply.)
That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.
So God values the parents honor over the child's life, health, and future? This isn't justice.
Murdering children cuts down a society by the heart. You can't have a new generation by stoning children.
This law is also clearly immoral, and obviously, no mentally stable family would stone their own child to death.
It also completely goes against evolution as it prevents the continuation of our species.
If you believe that this law was perfectly justified, then we have lost you as a logical human.
The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.
So what if some troll knocked it out. God still made it. He invented it, even when he is supposed to be omnibenevolent.
If you still believe that stoning children to protect "honor" is an act of infinite morality, justice, and goodness, you are a monster. Imagine the pain those children would of went through- they didn't understand what was happening to them. What if someone told them a swear word and they didn't know what it meant?
And trust me, being stoned to death hurt like hell, and took a very long time.
(I wouldn't be surprised if this argument didn't receive a reply.)