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Challenge Debate: The Existence Of The Christian God. (Challenge Debate: Drem vs Srom)

Does the Christian God exist?

Dremorius(861)

Atheism (Drem)

Side Score: 67
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Srom(12206)

Christianity (Srom)

Side Score: 55
4 points

Okay, my first reason why I don't believe in the Christian God is because of a verse we all know and love: Leviticus 20:9 "'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death."

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I mean, how can a perfect God have filicidal thoughts?

Side: Atheism (Drem)
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

You have to ask yourself why did God set up that law in the first place. The reason why God set that law up was because it is unnatural for children to curse their parents. Children were to obey and respect their parents rather then disobeying or cursing them.

I am pretty sure the parents who lived in a Jewish home had children that didn't curse their parents. They probably knew not to curse at their parents but rather obey them and honor their parents.

I am also pretty sure that the children saw the consequences of what would happen if they cursed their parents.

Also you have to understand that the Bible's definition of cursing was the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc not dropping the f bomb at your parents and a big part of their life was blessing and cursing people. ( Cursing people (not dropping the f bomb, and blessing someone was a big deal in that time period.)

Also another point is that their was no such thing as swear words back then and so the original definition of cursed was to wish someone was dead, or something bad to come upon them, not to swear at your parents.

Side: Christianity (Srom)
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

You have to ask yourself why did God set up that law in the first place. The reason why God set that law up was because it is unnatural for children to curse their parents. Children were to obey and respect their parents rather then disobeying or cursing them.

I don't believe that is a reason. Well, not a logical reason. You can't say that God disliked swearing because no one swears- that doesn't justify anything. And you can't just assume they were all goody-two-shoes as well.

I am pretty sure the parents who lived in a Jewish home had children that didn't curse their parents. They probably knew not to curse at their parents but rather obey them and honor their parents.

What? How could you even begin to be "pretty sure"? You do know people have been using swear words for as long as they've been able to speak.

And how could you stereotype a whole culture?

I am also pretty sure that the children saw the consequences of what would happen if they cursed their parents.

What the hell? And you call this justification?

If children saw the consequences, that would mean that they would be watching other children being stoned to death! That does not help your case when there are innocent children already being brutally murdered.

Also you have to understand that the Bible's definition of cursing was the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc not dropping the f bomb at your parents and a big part of their life was blessing and cursing people. ( Cursing people (not dropping the f bomb, and blessing someone was a big deal in that time period.)

How incorrect can you get?

Other versions of this verse clearly use the word "dishonor" or "revileth."

And guess what revileth means; To Insult in a Verbal Manner. And we all know what insulting people verbally means; To swear.

Also you have to understand that the Bible's definition of cursing was the expression of a wish that misfortune, evil, doom, etc., befall a person, group, etc not dropping the f bomb at your parents and a big part of their life was blessing and cursing people.

Why do you think that all children are little witches that are able to curse people to doom?

If you don't think that, and believe that curses are wishing ill of someone in a purely verbal manner, then that is still classified as a harmless verbal insult! And that far from justifies why they would deserve such a slow, brutal and bloody death! So a "curse" as you say it, and a swear word, are very much the same- same to the point that they don't morally require being stoned.

Fail...

Also another point is that their was no such thing as swear words back then and so the original definition of cursed was to wish someone was dead, or something bad to come upon them, not to swear at your parents.

What the hell? I'm pretty sure there were swear words back then. When Jesus was up on the cross, they teased him, using swear words. AND, in your retarded irrational little world, even if they did curse in a manner of wishing someone harm, THEY ARE STILL WORDS.

So your futile attempt of justification has failed, making you seem more like an incorrect, inbred bigot.

So are you going to turn atheist now?

Side: Atheism (Drem)
6 points

Yes the Christian God does exist. If you look at the evidence there is a lot of evidence that the Christian God exists.

First the Bible tells us that there was 500 witnesses who saw Jesus after the He rose from the grave, plus the Roman officer who all he did for a living was kill people and He knew that Jesus was God. You have the four authors of the Bible that tell you what the saw but they still believe in one thing that Jesus was God but they wrote in different styles.

There was also the disciples who saw Jesus and were eyewitnesses of Jesus and all they had back then to record is paper and pen. If you saw back then would you record that He was alive?

Also if Jesus didn't rise from the grave our belief is useless, the songs that we sing to Jesus are useless.

Side: Christianity (Srom)
Dremorius(861) Disputed
6 points

Saying that such and such saw such and such within a book that also says that people can wake from the dead, donkeys can talk and a man was able to fit 3,000,000 animals in a minuscule boat with them not dying within a period of time of over a month- (Which some animals can't last,) leaves a gaping hole, leaving to question whether the bible is any different between a Harry Potter book stating that Harry Potter saw a centaur.

Side: Atheism (Drem)
Srom(12206) Disputed
4 points

Without the Bible we wouldn't have evidence that God existed. Harry Potter has nothing to do with God. Stay on topic here. There was evidence that people saw Jesus rise ppl from the grave. You have to realize that it was different back then. They didn't have the same technology back then as we do today. All they had was pen and paper to record stuff down. How will people know that you exist in 200 years from now? We have records that state that you existed 200 years from now.

Its the same thing with the Jesus. The Bible is proof of what Jesus did in the New Testament.

Side: Christianity (Srom)
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

Are you gonna at least try to address my argument?

I've pretty much established that murdering children via stoning is NOT infinitely moral unless you have mental imbalances.

A person who thinks that murdering children for honor deserves to be plunged down into the darkest corner of hell.

And that person is you- unless you can justify your position instead of squandering in ignorance. Hurry up please.

Side: Atheism (Drem)
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

That Law was to honor your father and mother and when you disrespect them you undermine there authority that God placed in your life and it ruins society causing people to rebel against there parents authority and God.

So God values the parents honor over the child's life, health, and future? This isn't justice.

Murdering children cuts down a society by the heart. You can't have a new generation by stoning children.

This law is also clearly immoral, and obviously, no mentally stable family would stone their own child to death.

It also completely goes against evolution as it prevents the continuation of our species.

And since you have completely lost the definition of what "Omnibenevolent" means, here is the definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibenevolent

If you believe that this law was perfectly justified, then we have lost you as a logical human.

The Law was fulfilled when Jesus died on the cross. That is why we don't go by the Old Testament to get to God, we have a relationship with Jesus Christ and that is the New Testament. So Levitcus 20:9 Jesus took the punishment of cursing your father and mother and all other sins.

So what if some troll knocked it out. God still made it. He invented it, even when he is supposed to be omnibenevolent.

If you still believe that stoning children to protect "honor" is an act of infinite morality, justice, and goodness, you are a monster. Imagine the pain those children would of went through- they didn't understand what was happening to them. What if someone told them a swear word and they didn't know what it meant?

And trust me, being stoned to death hurt like hell, and took a very long time.

(I wouldn't be surprised if this argument didn't receive a reply.)

Side: Atheism (Drem)