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Likely Yes Likey No
Debate Score:150
Arguments:191
Total Votes:169
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The God of Christianity Exists.

Does the God of Christianity exist?

Likely Yes

Side Score: 58
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Likey No

Side Score: 92
5 points

You are like a game character asking if your programmer exists.....

How many programmers live in their games?

Can't programmers exist independent of their game's time and space?

DNA proves programming....God is the programmer.

God because we are inferior to him.

Every game character is inferior to it's programming by a huge margin therefore; God.

The only time God entered this life game was when he sent Himself as his son in our type of body material; flesh, to make us an offer.

People still say he is not God.

Well, i for one, have already accepted the offer....Deal.

Side: Likely Yes
jterrell19(21) Disputed
3 points

Your entire argument operates and hinges on the assumption that DNA is proof of us living in a programmed universe. DNA is not proof of outside programming. It can evolve into existence and has been proven to have done just that.

Supporting Evidence: Proof of DNA's evolution (www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)
Side: Likey No
jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
3 points

If there is no coding in RNA, then why are there species or classifications or families of living things? what describes the physical features of an offspring to match it's parents or kind?

If there wasn't specific descriptions in programming perhaps, goats will be delivering chicks, Hens delivering lizards but no, no matter what is responsible for the coding; RNA or DNA, it shows there is order in the output but not some random outcomes(like goat delivers chicks etc).

For DNA to give classifications, it's orderliness, evidence of a mind, a sound mind behind the design.

The point is programming.

Mindless things cannot classify.

If a programmer closes his eyes, and presses his keyboard anyhow and anywhere, his work would not be in order..

perhaps the character will have one hand on the head, one eye on the knee.

That is the outcome of mindlessness....disorder.

There cannot be order without a mind.

Beyond living flesh, we can also turn to look at timing for plants, seasons, time, and outer space.

It is a must for there to be a mind behind the Universe i call God.

Side: Likely Yes
JOMIRO(29) Disputed
1 point

'DNA proves programming....God is the programmer.'

How does DNA prove programming? Why do you believe that?

Side: Likey No
JOMIRO(29) Disputed
1 point

'DNA proves programming....God is the programmer.'

How does DNA prove programming? Why do you believe that?

Side: Likey No
jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
1 point

Oh my God always back to stage one.

What do you think is genetic coding in DNA? It's a program. I don't need to debate this; why humans have two eyes, one head, a tongue etc....

Don't make me sick.

Side: Likely Yes
TzarPepe(323) Banned
3 points

The God of Christianity is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality obviously exists.

Side: Likely Yes
2 points

The God of Christianity is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

The Supreme and Ultimate Reality obviously exists.

You don't have a single sliver of evidence that God exists, so shut the hell up you annoying madman.

Side: Likey No
jterrell19(21) Disputed
1 point

Your syllogism is valid but not sound.

An equivalent argument is as follows:

My truck is my phone. I have a phone. Therefore my truck exists.

(I don't have a truck)

Side: Likey No
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
2 points

I'm done talking to you for a while....I would not have started here except that I mistakenly thought it was my debate and I was going to ban you and advise you to not let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Side: Likely Yes
3 points

Why is it so important to try to disprove God as He reveals Himself in His written word, the Bible, and in the Living Word, Jesus Christ?

You know why....because the Bible says you will fry like an eternal sausage if you don't believe Jesus is God who rose bodily from the dead, won't say sorry for your sins to God, and won't ask God in Jesus name to save you from Hell.

Any other concept of whatever you refer to as "god" or "a god" is something you can live with (better, something you can die with).......but dying with God as revealed in the Bible is something that never ends in the fire of Hell and you must fight against that tooth and nail until you are blue in the face so you can feel like you are winning your argument against God and won't be flame broiled forever.

Side: Likely Yes
jterrell19(21) Disputed
1 point

"Why is it so important to try to disprove God as He reveals Himself in His written word, the Bible, and in the Living Word, Jesus Christ?"

The Bible isn't God's words, it's translated interpretations, by humans, of stories that are told about him. Jesus isn't alive anymore, it says so in the Bible.

Side: Likey No
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
3 points

Like I said, you have to fight tooth and nail against the Bible because it says that if you won't believe Jesus is God who died for your sins and rose bodily from the dead offering forgiveness, eternal life to all who repent of their sins and receive Him by faith as He is, the Living God the Only Savior, ........if you will not believe on Him you are condemned....and that means eternity in the lake of fire.

You love your sin more than life, so you must fight against the word of God and try to convince yourself that you have the right to exist as a sinner outside of Hell.

Side: Likely Yes
3 points

I would like for you to pretend you are in an art museum. You enter a room and walk to a painting. You look at this painting. Do you think to yourself, "I wonder how this painting got here?" or "How did this painting come to being?" No, you do not. You know paintings cannot paint themselves, so therefore the painting has a painter. Paintings are intricately designed, and anything with an intelligent, intricate design must have a designer, much like a book. Books are intricate. Books do not create themselves. They have an intelligent author who wrote them. The same goes for this world, this galaxy, this universe, and everything within it. The design is so intricate that only an intelligent designer could have designed such a wonderful, intricate, beautiful thing.

Another topic I would like to bring up is constants. By constants, I mean environmental and physical factors. Things like how the sun is the perfect distance away from us. If it were one inch closer, we would burn up, and if it were one inch further away, then we would freeze to death. There are about 160 of these constants. Constants are interdependent. A small change in one constant may affect other constants and could prevent or destroy the conditions necessary for life.

Side: Likely Yes
LittleMisfit(1716) Clarified
4 points

There are quite a few issues with the argument from design, but those have all be addressed numerous times, like in these videos which you can watch at your leisure if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTJS1UHIj6k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsw8VXAcHz4

Instead of talking about the flaws in the argument, I want to take a different approach. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the universe was designed. Do you think we can learn things about the designer by looking at the things they designed?

"the sun is the perfect distance away from us. If it were one inch closer, we would burn up, and if it were one inch further away, then we would freeze to death."

The Earth is in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. The distance between the Sun and Earth varies between 91 million and 94.5 million miles. So, the distance from the Sun varies by 3.5 million miles, depending on the time of year. source

The Earth could be 2.69 million miles closer to the sun, or roughly 50 million miles further from the Sun before it became uninhabitable.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in our observable Universe, and many of them are in a habitable zone from a star. source

Side: Likely Yes

The Earth is in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. The distance between the Sun and Earth varies between 91 million and 94.5 million miles. So, the distance from the Sun varies by 3.5 million miles, depending on the time of year. source

The Earth could be 2.69 million miles closer to the sun, or roughly 50 million miles further from the Sun before it became uninhabitable.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets in our observable Universe, and many of them are in a habitable zone from a star. source

Good post mate. Another thing to consider is the anthropic principle. However perfect conditions might be, they needed to be that way in order for something to exist capable of questioning them.

Side: Likely Yes
3 points

I will pose this question on both sides since both sides are indecisive. Either side here is a gamble and if you stand in either position you are gambling that you can exist outside of Hell with no assurance of being able to do so.

The question is this: Why is it "The God of Christianity" that you want to be non-existent? Is He the One who created all things, or are you trying to prove that things less than Him are not Him?

Side: Likely Yes
2 points

What Armed_Up is saying is

1. Every design has a designer.

2. The universe has a highly complex design.

3. Therefor the universe has a designer and that designer is God.

I believe in Christianity because it is comforting there may not be evidence on video of the universe being made but if every design has a designer then the universe has a designer. Who's with me?

Side: Likely Yes
2 points

Every design has a designer.

This is a circular fallacy because your conclusion is also your hypothesis. You claim the universe has a design, hence you must conclude it has a designer.

The universe has a highly complex design.

See above.

Side: Likey No
3 points

Spot on. This the perfect example of begging the question. The conclusion has been assumed in the very first premise.

Side: Likey No
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
2 points

It is a logical conclusion when you see a design, you know there is a designer who originated it. If you can't see that the universe has a design, I guess you never heard of the laws of physics and never read anything about science.

Side: Likely Yes
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
1 point

Correct. Anybody who denies the obvious is willfully ignorant.

Side: Likely Yes
2 points

Stop questioning peoples religions, yes God is real, and yes, he isn't just some fairy tale. Why don't you ask whether or not Trump is a good Presedent or not... we all have different opinions.

Side: Likely Yes
2 points

There have been no arguments to date that sufficiently imply that a belief in God is rational and there are many reasons to doubt that the God of Christianity exists.

It is the case that 1 religion, more than 1 religion, or no religion's claim is true. It can't be the case that the claim of more than 1 religion is true because they are contradictory. The odds that 1 religion's claim is true are about 4,200 to 1, not including religions that don't exist anymore. If there is one true religion it means that the billions of people who aren't part of that 1 religion, including members of the other 4,199, have clearly missed something huge and that's unlikely. This leaves no religions' claim being true as the most likely case by a very wide margin.

Many religions existed before Christianity. If it is the case that Christianity is true and no other religion that came before it is, then it should be expected for Christianity to differ greatly from the others and its claim shouldn't overlap with the claims of other religions but this is not the case. Christianity is very similar to other religions that came before it and its claim overlaps a great deal with other religions' claims.

Christianity claims that God is All Knowing, All Powerful, and All Good. If God does exist, he watched, arms folded, for at least 100,000 years of human suffering, struggling, fighting, dying, and almost going extinct, with complete indifference. This is a direct contradiction with the aforementioned All Knowing, All Powerful, and All Good claim by Christianity's own definition.

Side: Likey No
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
1 point

God is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent.......not "All Good". God cannot be good to evil as evil cannot see God as being good. You are evil, that is why you try to frame God as not being good. Even though God is good to you, giving you time while your words and actions call for Him to end your time, you cannot see God's goodness and you can only talk about Him as if He were evil and you think you are better than Him.

That "God is all-good, or "omni-benevolent" rubbish was instigated by a Catholic.......Thomas Papenis or something like that. It is not in the Bible. The Catholic meant well as he tried to explain how it's good to know sinners will be imprisoned in Hell forever and not bother the living any more, but he coined that "omnibenevolent" mantra which adds to the confusion of people like you who are Hell bent on denying that God is righteous.

Do you realize that everything you are saying sounds like a robot, programmed? It's like somebody made a few hundred thousand copies of you and every time you get a string pulled by the thought of facing God in Judgement, you rattle off one or a few points from a list of about two dozen anti-Christian atheist rhetorical statements while your brain is shut down so you cannot accept reasonable contradiction to your beliefs.

Side: Likely Yes
0 points

There maybe some creator out there but who is that?

If the energy and mass is infinite that does mean god is not infinte? If evolution is true who creates the monkeys? If the creator will to be a creator is that because he have feelings?

If Jesus Christ is true "sheperd knows his sheep, the sheep knows his sheperd" then we know our creator. (His true to me, I can feel him yet not see or I just did not recognize )

Christianity, I expected it come after or in the time of Christ not before, "follower" of Christ unless they know Jesus Christ will come and what will he do, mostly prophet peach it because they have keep in touch with God

Adam = death and seperation from God,(I think) God is good if you are far away from God your far away from good | Jesus=savior and mediator between you and God,the life, the truth and the way. If your far from it then your far away.

This is just my curiousity and I am sharing my knowledge. No matter what our answers are it is too late, we are already created. (I still believe God loves you and me though)

Side: Likely Yes
jterrell19(21) Disputed
3 points

I agree there may be some creator. How could I make any such audacious claim as to declare I know something so unknowable to us yet.

"If the energy and mass is infinite that does mean god is not infinte?"

These 2 concepts don't really correlate like that. See PBS SpaceTime youtube channel for really good explanations on what I'm assuming you're trying to talk about.

"If evolution is true who creates the monkeys?"

This is basically the equivalent of saying 'if roses grow on their own then who gives birth to roses'. It's a confused question and shows a vital misunderstanding of evolution.

Side: Likey No
2 points

There is nothing in Gods good universe that hints at the accuracy of the Bible.

Side: Likey No
jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
1 point

There is nothing in Gods good universe that hints at the accuracy of the Bible.

Paragon illiterate

Side: Likely Yes
Amarel(2375) Disputed
1 point

Excellent case you make, and so well worded, as always. .

Side: Likey No
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
1 point

Israel does more than hint at the accuracy of the Bible, and the lining up of nations in alliances and desire to destroy Israel also does more than hint at the accuracy of the Bible. There are thousands of hints of Biblical accuracy in secular history, archeology, geology, physics, biology, astronomy....you have to believe in a lot of nonsensical things in order to ignore the accuracy of the Bible.

Side: Likely Yes
2 points

The question is this: Why is it "The God of Christianity" that you want to be non-existent? Is He the One who created all things, or are you trying to prove that things less than Him are not Him?

Side: Likey No
1 point

The god of Christianity and a belief in such is totally illogical .

The " word of god " is contained in the bible a deeply flawed , error filled book of contradictions where the " morality " of a perfect god changes from a jealous petty tyrant to a " gentler " God in the New Testament

While I accept like most credible historians the Historicity of Jesus I do not accept the "miracle " working version posited by Christians ; amusingly the family of Jesus thought him insane .

Believers mostly are a product of indoctrination so they didn't willingly embrace absurdity as it was foisted on them by indoctrinated parents and society ; to accept the god of Christianity is to bury your head in the sand and admit your acceptance of a totally irrational concept .......

Many gods such as the Christian God have contradictory characteristics that would make the god illogical if true. If a god has a contradictory nature by definition he not only does not exist but he can’t exist. For example just as a married bachelor or a square circle cannot exist because they have incompatible characteristics a god cannot exist if he also has incompatible characteristics. Here are 7 examples that show why the god of the Bible, the Tanakh, and the Qur'an cannot exist.

1. You cannot make the claim that god is omnipresent inside our space and time continuum or planes of existence ≠ while also claiming that god is transcendent outside of our space and time continuum and outside our planes of existence where he cannot be observed or tested. If any part of him exists outside of these parameters then that part does not exist. We live in the planes of existence. If your god does not exist within these parameters by definition he does not exist.

2. You cannot make the claim god is personal, has emotions, has sequences of thought and able to make decisions ≠ while also claiming he is changeless, timeless and eternal and immaterial. Being personal and having emotions and having sequences of thought occur as changes over time. But the god of the bible is supposed to be changeless and timeless. So there cannot be a personal, eternal God who makes decisions and who has emotions; if god exists, he is either a finite creature or impersonal.

3. You cannot make the claim that a god is all loving and all-powerful ≠ while also claiming this god created evil and allows evil to exist. If evil exists then why doesn’t this god who is all loving stop the evil.

4. You cannot make the claim a god is infinite in power or all-powerful ≠ while also claiming that the universe exists. The universe has energy and this energy of the universe would be taking away from god’s energy and power so we know that this god could not possibly be all-powerful since the universe has energy and power. If a god did have an infinite amount of power he would require an infinite amount of energy and mass. This infinite amount of energy and mass would result in a black hole that is infinite. Anything that has energy or mass that is not part of this black hole would prove that god is not of infinite power. In this case the universe has mass and energy and shows that god could not possibly have an infinite amount of power.

5. You cannot make the claim god is omniscient and knows the future ≠ while also claiming that he has free will and can change his mind. If a god does know the future then he could not change the future because his mind would already be made up so there would be nothing to change.

6. You cannot claim god is perfect ≠ while also claiming he is a creator. This is because being perfect means having no wants or needs so there would be no reason for him to create anything. If he needed to create something this would make him imperfect.

7. You cannot claim god is just ≠ while also claiming god is merciful. If god is just he is treating the person exactly how they deserve to be treated. If god is merciful he would be treating a person better than they deserve to be treated.

Side: Likey No
2 points

I've never understood "God exists outside of our space and time", it seems nonsensical to me. I've always considered existence to be a temporal concept, so what does it mean to exist for 0 seconds? Anyone have any idea?

Side: Likey No
cruzaders(106) Disputed
1 point

For human you are right we need a moment X and a place Y to exist , but God created space and time etc he doesnt need to apply to those rules

Side: Likely Yes
NowASaint(1279) Clarified
1 point

It is you who is closed minded. If you were not so closed minded, you would think it may be true that Jesus proved He is God by the fact that death could not hold Him in the ground. Then you would seek to understand How what He did applies to you.

I know the story is true, I know how it applies to me....and I know how it applies to you.......and your beliefs are pretty much mindless......half of your brain is shut down.

Side: Likely Yes
0 points

Yes it is nonsensical , as I said , we live in the planes of existence. If your god does not exist within these parameters by definition he does not exist.

Side: Likey No
jeffreyone(1137) Disputed
0 points

I've never understood "God exists outside of our space and time", it seems nonsensical to me.

you want game programmers to exist within the programmed game's time frame and space?

if you never went to school i urge you to start from Nursery.

If you already did, please be humble to start again.

Side: Likely Yes
0 points

so what does it mean to exist for 0 seconds? Anyone have any idea?

If you exist outside of time you could theoretically observe all of time just by looking at the universe. But it's just Christians being idiots again. Every time you prove them wrong they change their beliefs to something else. When historians and scientists first began picking apart the Bible the parables in it suddenly became allegorical rather than literal. And of course, as far as they are concerned, no evidence of God inside time and space clearly means he lives outside of time and space.

Side: Likely Yes
TzarPepe(323) Disputed Banned
1 point

It is understandable given the superstitious nature of human beings that you would have this view of Christianity. You clearly have issue with a lot of superstitions, but that is what they are, superstitions.

1. The God of Christianity is "The Supreme and Ultimate Reality". God by necessity is present everywhere, as The Supreme and Ultimate Reality would have to be there with anything that exists. Otherwise, such a reality could not be supreme and ultimate. There is no secret place from God. Literally everything exists in God. If you don't know what you are looking for, you don't know what you are seeking. If you don't have any knowledge about what you are testing for,how can you come to a meaningful conclusion? Believe that God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, and adjust your ponderings accordingly.

2. God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

God is personal, we all have a unique experience. God has made every decision. God's will is what is done. That is God's omnipotence. God is always The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, The One who binds creation to time while being Lord of it. God is neither a finite creature or impersonal. God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

3. It is said that when humanity partook from the "tree of knowledge of good and evil", this was when our fall occurred.

The moral of this story is that when we took ourselves as being the rightful judges of good and evil, we lost our direction. The only rightful judge of good and evil is God. God is the judge.

Everything was and is created by God, and as it is written in scripture, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

4. God is The Singularity!

5. God's mind doesn't change, but our perceptions of God's mind do.

6. How can you say there is no reason to create anything when creation is clearly before you? God created everything, and that is how it is. It is the nature of God to create. Seems perfect to me.

7. Sometimes people get treated better than they feel the deserve. Sometimes people get treated better than what others feel they deserve. God is always just, but to us it appears merciful.

Anyone who is keenly aware of their own sin should feel forgiven much regardless of how clean they believe their life to be.

God is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality, there is no other! Turn from your wicked ways and believe The Truth! The good news! God is Salvation!

Side: Likely Yes
Dermot(3644) Disputed
2 points

Here we go again with your failed argument from assertion ; your insane bullshit Deepak Chopra style argument has been dismissed by 18 people so far on C D , so carry on making an idiot of yourself

Side: Likey No
jterrell19(21) Disputed
2 points

Do you never tire of repeating your insufficient argument over and over? It's clearly not convincing(in this case because it's begging the question) so why keep trying to use it and failing? I'm genuinely curious. How do you do it?

Also you clearly don't even understand what a singularity is

Side: Likey No
cruzaders(106) Disputed
1 point

Concerning number 3 god did not create evil he let it exist , but as you said how can he be all loving and all powerfull if he let that happen? God gave us the freedom to choose between right and wrong :we wouldnt merit to go to heaven if we didnt have a choice. It is because of this choice we can make that we are free. If evil didnt exist it would be like if your mother tied you in a chair for hours and when she came she congratulated you for being a good boy ; you are free because you have the possibility to burn the house down ( sorry if there are grammar faults i am still learning english)

Side: Likely Yes
Dermot(3644) Disputed
0 points

Incorrect I'm afraid .

......I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

—Isaiah 45:7

Side: Likey No