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 The Next Time You Hear Someone Argue That Mohammed Was A Paedophile (13)

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The Next Time You Hear Someone Argue That Mohammed Was A Paedophile

Please remind them that Jesus Christ encouraged parents to execute their own children.

“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

“Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)




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More of the Matthew chapter 15 for context....

"Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; and honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: these are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

More of Mark chapter 7 for context...

"Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man."

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Hey. Maybe that’s the real reason he got put to death? Truth comes out.

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More accurately, Jesus is quoting Moses in one source and God in another. Even so, do you suppose that Jesus being wrong somehow makes Muhammad right?

Do you suppose that when people accused Michael Jackson of molestation, a good defense would be that OJ is a murderer? Of course not.

What fallacy do you recommend to a Muslim who takes your advise, if the person calling Moe a child abuser happens to be atheist?

Dermot(5736) Banned
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But Madhammad was a peadophile muslims mostly accept that Aisha was 9 when the marriage was consummated , this is written in Islams most sacred and trusted source the Sahih Bukhari , I have pointed this out to you several times yet you fail to comprehend because of your stubbornness and legendary stupidity let’s run it by you again ,

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:

Narrated Aisha:

The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 235:

Narrated 'Aisha:

That the Prophet said to her, "You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). 'This is your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, 'If this is from Allah, it will be done."

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:

Narrated Hisham's father:

Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine

Your defence of a peadophile is incredible and quiet sickening , maybe you should look up the sickening practice of “ thighing “ indulged in by the “ prophet “ and his buddies ?

No doubt you would also fully approve which is hardly surprising when you took such joy at the events of 9 / 11 and claimed Bin Laden was framed

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But Madhammad was a peadophile

You are literally so thick that you don't know how to spell the thing you are accusing Mohammed of being.

muslims mostly accept that Aisha was 9 when the marriage was consummated

You made this claim up and I called you out on it yesterday. You have conducted no census on what "most" Muslims believe about Aisha. Cynically inventing things to satisfy your ridiculous and childish hatred for people with different coloured skin is not debate. It's just you being a racist. Furthermore, your claim has absolutely no relevance to how old Aisha actually was in the first place. It is not only a false claim (in that you made it up), but it is also an appeal to popularity.

I have already directed you to the many Muslim scholars who dispute the accuracy of the Hadith you have posted, so I do not understand why you are posting something again which I have already thoroughly refuted. The only reasonable explanation is that you are deliberately posting anti-Islamic propaganda.

I am tired of the fact that you are too stupid, too arrogant and too racist to acknowledge whenever you have been educated. There is absolutely no point in you being here other than to demonstrate how stubbornly stupid Irish people can be.

Hazrat Aisha was 19, not 9

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/hazrat-aisha-was-19-not-9/story-G4kaBHqM0VXoBhLR0eI2oO.html

The truth about Muhammad and Aisha

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/17/muhammad-aisha-truth

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@Nom

Your clan created a video that covers this topic very effectively.

https://youtu.be/uQBgrUObbHw

OmegaPan(710) Disputed
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I looked on a Muslim site. It claimed that Muhammed raped goats and kids. The emoms making the claims had quite a nice chuckle as they had their child sex slaves on their laps. It-was-wierd.

Gore(147) Banned
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In this dialogue, Jesus was being attacked for not abiding by what is known as Moses' ceremonial law. He then points out they are hypocrites by stating that they are not obeying all of Moses' ceremonial law. He doesn't tell them to kill anyone. He's quoting Moses. He points out that using the Torah as a weapon against him while disobeying the Torah makes them hypocrites. He also points out that their commands are manmade rather than God made.

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Muhammed was a paedophile. I gave him the words to the Quran in a cave in Medina. I'm a witness. He craves child flesh.