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Allow Plagiarism Prohibit Plagiarism
Debate Score:91
Arguments:56
Total Votes:107
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The Rules #1 - Plagiarism

Welcome to the newest debate series "THE RULES".  This series is designed to make people aware of the rules and more importantly the grey areas that exist within them.  May of the topics will bring polarized debate.  Everyone is welcome to post.  At the end of each debate I will post a new Perspective Debate with the "interpretation" of that rule which will remain open for comment.

TOPIC #1 PLAGIARISM

There are many on the site who innocently make duplicate debates.  Most new members do not search for existing debates and immediately post a topic which has been previously posted.  This is done without ill intent, nor knowledge of the preexisting debate.

There are others on the site who post identically duplicate debates of other members original debate content.  This is being done under the statement that they are virtually permanently banned from the original members debate(s) and they want to be able to debate the same topic.  Just a side note - the member copying the debate does cite the debate creator at the end of the debate text.

Here is a great site specifically dedicated to the topic of Plagiarism.


Please use it and the definitions within for the basis of your decisions.

So here is the question...

Should members be allowed to copy any content (debate, argument, etc.).  If your answer is yes, please state the circumstances where you believe it should be allowed.



The next topic up is....

The Rules #2 - Point Farming

Allow Plagiarism

Side Score: 48
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Prohibit Plagiarism

Side Score: 43

Should plagiarism as it is defined be allowed?

No.

Should duplicate debates be be allowed when the original creator is going ban happy against anyone with differing ideas?

Yes, so long as the original creator is credited.

Side: Allow Plagiarism

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I agree with what he said

Side: Allow Plagiarism
instig8or(3310) Disputed
1 point

This is simply retarded. Accrediting the original creator doesn't justify the points he is getting for it.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
Cuaroc(8596) Disputed
2 points

Good thing points has no value.

Side: Allow Plagiarism

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Preach it brother/sister/both/none/whoever/whatever/ITSTOOBLEEPINGCOMPLICATED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Allow Plagiarism
3 points

I think that as long as the copied text is quoted, along with the name of the person who provided the text originally, then it isn't really plagiarising. Although you are copying someone's thoughts, ideas, information etc. quoting gives credit to the one who actually said it.

Side: Allow Plagiarism
1 point

I don't care for rules.

Side: Allow Plagiarism
31337(560) Disputed
0 points

Oooh a rebel. Such cool man. ;O

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
1 point

"Most cases of plagiarism can be avoided, however, by citing sources."

This does cure the whole problem of this plagiarism thing this site is eat up with !

Side: Allow Plagiarism

If you ban plagiarism then ban the ability to ban people for no reason @FromWithin and @SaintNow

Side: Allow Plagiarism

Plagiarism is taking someone else's words and passing it off as your own. that should not be allowed, as it is illegal and immoral. However, if the original poster is credited/cited, then it is fine. Because that's not plagiarism.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
instig8or(3310) Disputed
2 points

If you hand in a paper and credit who wrote it you still get 0 marks. Cuaroc is not getting 0 points.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
2 points

Sounds like to me you want debates to give 0 points to the creator. Good idea!

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
1 point

Except grades in school will have impact on your future, and may give you better standing in further education, jobs, etc.. Having points on this site does not add credibility as it is possible to get this site without being a strong debater.

Side: Allow Plagiarism

You should prohibit plagiarism for those who purposely do it like Cuaroc....

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
3 points

Why do you use the word plagiarism when Cuaroc's actions by definition do not fit it?

Side: Allow Plagiarism
2 points

You probably have not been active for a while to see that Cuaroc has been constantly copying FromWithin's debates intentionally.. What more is that he copies word for word!

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
Cartman(18207) Disputed
1 point

How have the copied debates affected you personally?

Side: Allow Plagiarism
2 points

I find it annoying to go through the NEW debates page and keep finding copied versions of debates for especially Cuaroc copying FromWithin

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
2 points

I would say that plagiarism is infact cheating, since your copying other's arguments without using most of your critical thinking and argumentative skills, so yes I think we should prohibit plagiarism because it removes that certain challenge that most of us people should go through, actually there was this incident about a senator plagiarizing others speeches and called it his "own" debate, and I tell you the results weren't that good, Infact he garnered hate from the media and so forth.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
Cartman(18207) Disputed
0 points

So, the only problem is not giving credit? As long as the debate mentions the source provider it is fine?

Side: Allow Plagiarism
stratos(85) Disputed
2 points

No, without giving credits that would be unacceptable, the person who uses the speech of the original maker, must and is obliged to ask that specific person whether he/she is allowed on using that content, Again plagiarism Is cheating, uses less argumentative skills and it doesn't challenge us.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
2 points

Cuaroc doesn't ever debate in his 'debates' he just makes them and leaves them. Andy, your lies are catching up to you.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
addltd(5092) Disputed
3 points

Well, maybe you didn't understand that I said it was for all that were banned...

Side: Allow Plagiarism
FromWithin(5914) Disputed
1 point

The people who were banned were banned for good reason & I will never debate them in the copied argument so your premise that they can still debate the argument is false. The originator of the argument will not be there to debate them.

If they are crazy enough to want to debate an argument when the creator is not there is a total waste of time as we are seeing.... UNLESS your only goal was to ridicule the creator and not debate the topic.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
2 points

Plagiarism is defined as "the act of using another person's words or ideas without giving credit to that person : the act of plagiarizing something" (Webster Dictionary). There are numerous reason this behavior should be discouraged, and penalized if that is deemed the most effective response which I suspect it to be in this context.

Citation is defined as "an act of quoting" (Webster Dictionary) and there is no valid reason this should be prohibited on this forum. The only tenuous rebuttal is that people can get points for re-posting a debate subject or post, but I would suggest that the caliber of debate ought really to take precedence over the point system intended to foster better debating.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
1 point

Yes I agree with Jace, the aim of this site should take precedence and plagiarism has no place in good debate academically, professionally or personally.

This site as described in the About menu is:-

"to provide our community with a framework that makes compelling and meaningful debates easy to create and fun to use. Our goal is to build CreateDebate into an incredibly useful learning tool that will help groups of people to sort through issues, viewpoints and opinions so that consensus and understanding can be reached and better decisions can be made".

So, lets do it well and properly to enjoy and learn from each other

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
1 point

My reservation concerning rules on a site like this is that they must be enforced in order to bring any benefit. IMO enforcement could quickly become a nightmare for the moderator. If we can devise rules that, we ourselves use as means or guides to deal with problems like duplicate posts and plagiarism, then we will have something workable as opposed to Andy just getting more gray hair.

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Certainly unintentional duplicate debates must be allowed. In keeping with the purpose of the site, the UDD creator should be politely directed to the prior debates on the same topic, in order for them to benefit from the opinions of others. Not treated as plagiarism

In the case of intentional duplicate debates as reaction to being banned, the problem is caused by the banning. Conversely banning is a valuable tool when dealing with a troll. If a debater is banned, they should have the ability to duplicate the debate, state what has happened and see if other debaters respond or ignore them. Not treated as plagiarism

In the case of intentional plagiarism as defined in Andy's link, the plagiarist can be adequately confronted by their fellow debaters. The remaining issue is the points given to the plagiarist. This is the subject of yet another rule that Andy may what to explore later in this series. If that is the case I will hold my offered solution until then. If not -- let me know that I should offer it now.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism

I told Cuaroc not to copy my arguments whether he put my name at the bottom or not. He never put my name at the bottom until forced to do so. What kind of people think it is ok to copy someone's work when TOLD NOT TO DO SO?

GET REAL! Is this the mentality of this site? I will leave if it is!

There are only three people I ban on each argument. They deserve to be banned. I might give Pirate another chance but the other two are a total waste of time.

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism
1 point

First off, he wasn't forced to give you credit. It was a suggestion before all of these anti copying debates started.

Second, we don't think you have a good reason to ban these people. If we can't see the reason why you ban people we will not dude with you.

TOLD NOT TO DO SO?

Do you agree with everything you are told not to do by the PC liberals?

Side: Prohibit Plagiarism