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 The Scary AR -15 ! (48)

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The Scary AR -15 !



What is so scary to Progressives about the AR-15 ? Law Enforcement carry them ! Do the Common People not have the right to own them ? 
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I'm not scared of guns nor scared of the AR-15, and in fact I have in my pocket a Massachusetts Class A permit, which is not easy to come by. Granted I ended up not getting a gun because I then met my wife and she isn't comfortable with having one in the house. But my point is I'm not an anti-gun nut. I genuinely enjoyed the training I took at a gun club and would still be shooting if fate hadn't changed course for me.

With that said, there is a vast array of firearm choices available to the US public and you can just as easily exercise your right to bear arms with any of the others. It's kind of like people who insist they have to have a pitbull. Yeah, well, you could, but if you live in a city where they banned that breed, whether right or wrong, then you need to either move or you can simply get a more standard breed which doesn't make everyone freak out as much. It's hard to have sympathy for people hyping paramilitary weapons when they could just as easily have a hunting Marlin or Mossburg.

Furthermore, I don't buy any of the slippery slope argument of you can't let a single law pass or else every gun is going to get confiscated. Chill out. We've already had gun laws for a good century and you all still have more than enough guns in your homes. Enough with the hysterical anti-law rhetoric.

Furthermore, whether or not public safety laws work (background checks, waiting periods, restrictions on people with convictions or insanity, restrictions for watch list people, gun lockers, trigger locks, fingerprint identification, whatever) you don't throw out any and all efforts at public safety for that reason. That's like saying well drunk drivers still exist so you might as well not have a single law trying to deter it from happening. Just crazy. Hey, there are good laws, there are bad laws, but declaring there should be zero laws and just then let everyone carry and everyone shoot it out if it comes to that is insane.

Look, if you want to persuade people to not be afraid of what guns you have, if you want to make sure they don't try to repeal the 2nd Amendment or to pass laws that cut deeper than you want them to, then stop crying bloody hell whenever people try to address public safety, and stop telling people who don't share your love of guns that they're just weak or idiots, because that's the surest way to eventually mobilize them to do far more than you or I want them to do.

People should have the option to have guns. But they also need to comply with public safety. And they don't really need a dozen paramilitary weapons. Instead of driving a HUMV they can drive a Ford or Chevy and still get where they need to go, if you get my drift. Stop your belly aching.

Poseidon(61) Disputed
1 point

How many people actually die a year at the hands of rifles like this in this country of 312 million?

Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Less than die from the other types of guns. But then you need to choose which battle you want to have with the gun control side... Do you want them to go after your AR-15s and such, or, do you want them to go after every other gun of every kind?

I'm not trying to take away your AR-15. But what i am saying is painfully true - you're not going to be able to block all public safety all the time forever, and whenever that political dam breaks it's going to sweep more away than if you had negotiated and cooperated instead of mocked and blocked and insulted.

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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That is a scary gun is it not Progressive ? Is it the color that is scary to you Progressives ?

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Its big black, long and will fuck your sister. That is why its scary.

Law enforcement are law enforcement. Common people are not trained like they are. They have the skills to safely use the weapon to neutralize the threat. Common people don't. I don't see any realistic need for a common person to own one let alone carry it around. At least not without. completing some kind of gun safety training

Poseidon(61) Disputed
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Can you give me statistics for injuries and deaths associated with lack training with that weapon? If not, your assertion is completely unsubstantiated.

AveSatanas(4443) Disputed
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I can give you statistics on gun accidents in general. Any gun can cause injury and accidents in untrained hands.

"73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010."

It was the 3rd leading cause of injury and accidents in 2010.

- Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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You Progressives portray pure ignorance and you show it by your own words ! Let's take a look ! "Law enforcement are law enforcement. Common people are not trained like they are. They have the skills to safely use the weapon to neutralize the threat. Common people don't. I don't see any realistic need for a common person to own one let alone carry it around. At least not without. completing some kind of gun safety training"

So by your pure ignorance law enforcement can have weapons that you Progressives deem unacceptable for the Common People ? Okay so you are not Okay with the 2nd Amendment then ?

Looks like a good weapon with which to shoot up the town on a Saturday night and maybe a few knee cappings just for a bit of added fun. A good old fashioned ''shoot out'' at the 'O.K. City Centre Corral' during rush hour would be a real bundle of laughs, why can't you just imagine the woman and children a screaming and a hollering as they run for cover, man, man oh man that would be a real sidesplitter;- roars of laughter from the back stalls. Hey, reactionary, like you I can't see for the life of me why anyone would want to ban such a weapon to Joe Public when it could give so much pleasure to the bored underprivileged parasites and low life gangsters. Yes sirree Bob, dem der authorities sure dam de spoil sports, and 'just goes to let's ye shows ye' why Obama is unpopular.

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Yeah every American needs it incase they need to kill a few hundred people in a matter of seconds in self defense.

Poseidon(61) Disputed
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You realize that that this is a semi automatic rifle, one trigger pull one bullet, not a fucking bomb, right?

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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Yeah but slower than I thought. It would actually take a whole minute to kill 800 people if you can kill one person per shot. If you are a bad shot and maybe only kill someone once every 10 bullets you would only kill 80 people in a minute.

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Hang on here Progressive you said this -" Yeah every American needs it in case they need to kill a few hundred people in a matter of seconds in self defense." Who committed the 2nd Worst Mass Shooting in American History ? Your answer is ?

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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These Sec/A arguments get rediculouser and rediculouser1................

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The AR-15 doesn't scare me. The people that are allowed to BUY them scare me. Many of them would scare me with ANY weapon in their hand, that's the problem. They would be scary with a box cutter, they are a thousand times more scary with an AR or AK!

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Is that yours?

You know those are illegal rite.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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Many drugs are illegal also. That doesn't stop people from getting them.

ProLogos(2794) Disputed
1 point

Exactly.

So why be scared of the inevitable?