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 The State of Illinois is headed towards bankruptcy. Why is it Democrats never care? (4)

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The State of Illinois is headed towards bankruptcy. Why is it Democrats never care?

http://www.dailywire.com/news/17797/well-done-democrats-entire-state-illinois-about-go-elliott-hamilton#exit-modal

The Democrat Party is made up of ideological fools. Their socialistic goals will bankrupt our nation. We are starting to see the cracks with Detroit and now the State of Illinois. You can only run up debt and print money so long before the banks shut down.

Whenever the GOP tries to be the grown ups in the room, Democrats ALWAYS scream how the GOP only care for the Rich while supposedly hating the poor, hating women, hating old people, etc. etc.
Look what Democrats are doing to Republicans who are trying to make our Healthcare solvent. They are actually sayng that Republicans are trying to kill people. FOOLS!

The GOP has tried many times to simply cut the rate of growth of social progrms that are growing faster than inflation, and the Democrats ALWAYS scream!

This is why Illinois is defaulting on their budget with their extravagant union pensions that any person with a brain knew was unsustainable.

There can not be any lower a human being than a Politician allowing a nation to go bankrupt just so he can keep getting re elected and pushing the can down the road until our children will have to deal with the collapse.

It's sick the people who see this happening yet they keep electing these big spending Democrats.

YOU TOTAL SELFISH FOOLS! As long as you keep getting the free stuff in your lifetime, you don't care that your children will live in miserable poverty from your selfishness. 
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It's the opposite, the Democrats are the only ones who care. And here's why I can say that. If you pull up on the internet the 10 or so states most precariously on the edge of bankruptcy you'll see they are all the old US history book states. And by that I mean they're the big city states with world class famous cities which have been beacons for immigrants and emigrants for two centuries. They're constantly overextended because they're constantly swarmed by the human locusts, not just coming from other countries but also coming from the farmlands and more rural areas spread across the US. They get there to that big melting pot and the modern Democrats (because I'll admit the weren't always this way) essentially try to embrace them all and keep the ship afloat for them. Meanwhile, the more rural conservatives just take shots at those cities as dens of depravity and drains on resources.

Admit it, the Republicans don't give two rats @sses what happens to Chicago.

Show me where they've demonstrated they do?

It's easy to sit back in Topeka or Peoria or Cheyenne where the majority of your population is homogenous and shake your finger at NYC or LA or Chicago. Because typically you haven't had two centuries of heavy influx.

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
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Why is it Republicans need to save Chicago ? Chicago is run by Progressives so Progressives need to save their own city but there again The Old Tired Blame Game comes into play when the Progressives fail.

marcusmoon(576) Disputed
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Trump is trying to save Chicago, along with the rest of the country. The Democrat Congressfolks keep obstructing.

marcusmoon(576) Disputed
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I think both you and the original poster are mischaracterizing the other side. My observation is that the vast majority of people all across the American political spectrum are people of good will who want health, happiness, and prosperity for all people.

I think people on both sides mistake disagreement about methods as lack of real concern. That is unfair to both Democrats and Republicans.

The general Democrat tactic for helping poor people is to set up some program that gives them something they need. The goal is to ensure immediate needs are met. The idea is that government provision of physical necessities is the only way to guarantee people’s survival.

The general Republican tactic for helping poor people is to try to cultivate an environment that encourages investment and innovation, and thereby creates jobs and opportunities. The goal is to encourage individuals to figure things out, and find solutions for themselves. The idea is to get the poor to prosper as self-sufficient adults who have the dignity of work and accomplishment in addition to food and shelter.

Think of it as the difference between giving a person a fish (Democrats) and teaching him/her how to fish (Republicans).

You did not address the most severe financial problem for Detroit, Chicago, the state of Illinois, the US, and a host of other governmental bodies. Unfortunately, both sides have colluded in the creation and continuance of government pension systems (Social Security and government employee pension programs at all levels of government) that are plainly mathematically unsustainable, especially considering the extension of life spans and the decreased birth rate starting in the 60's.

Most of these retirement systems are nothing more than taxpayer-funded Ponzi schemes. Neither political party is willing to bite the bullet and stop these programs now. Instead they are being UNINTENTIONALLY cruel by letting the financial gangrene spread instead of performing a clean amputation. That is not because they do not care, but because they are too cowardly to cause necessary pain.

Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Although I don't agree with everything you wrote there was plenty in there to set me to thinking. Thank you.

I will try to stop generalizing and mischaracterizing. It's easy to get carried away on debate websites.

But by the way, the fish or fisherman analogy isn't that simple. Many people helped by safety net programs can't simply learn to fish (children, the aged, the disabled, sometimes veterans, the mentally ill, etc.). Also sometimes its the funds for teaching them how to fish which get cut. It's just not as simple as that analogy.

And back to Chicago. Actually I agree. Both sides did contribute to the mess that is Chicago. Plus the people of Chicago also have a hand in their fate yet clearly a sizeable subpopulation is content to keep messing it up.

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Personally, I think most public assistance programs treat the poor like children. Despite the good intentions of the Democrats, non-emergency welfare programs steadily atrophy initiative and innovation, and encourage cycles of dependence.

Overall, it looks like long term/continued dependence on the welfare state infantilizes those who are on public assistance, and promotes inter-generational poverty, and contributes to the breakdown of the family, and the crime and violence that result. Thomas Sowell briefly discusses these and other effects of the welfare state. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmuVgkawkWA)

I do not think that any of these things are because the Democrats do not care. They are simply results of good intentions unfettered by an understanding of economics.

The Brookings Institute completed a study that showed that poor teens only need to do three things to avoid being permanently poor, and ultimately join the middle class:

1-Graduate High School

2-Get a job

3-Wait until they are married before having children

(https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/three-simple-rules-poor-teens-should-follow-to-join-the-middle-class/)

Unfortunately, social welfare programs decrease the criticality of numbers 2 & 3 as a matter of avoiding destitution. The socialist safety net actually mitigates the incentive to get a job and wait to have children until one is able to support them.