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Debate Score:20
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Total Votes:25
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The Zeitgeist Movement

Please take some time to watch the following videos.

They are long, but damn they are worth it.

They explain a LOT about the economy, war, politics, religion.

Watch them to the end.

 

Zeitgeist:Addendum

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

Zeitgeist, The Movie - Final Edition

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197

 

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5 points

Addendum changed my life. Not because it showed me new ideas, but because it showed me I'm not alone. Finally I saw there are other people honestly looking for a fair world for every one of us.

The first movie has a macabre tone of conspiracy theory, which doesn't help any cause. I don't know if 9/11 was staged, I wasn't there and I don't have access to that kind of information. The same goes for all the bank talk... And honestly, I don't care. We are not going to build a better world by finding flaws on this one; all we can do is to look for a way to get closer to an ideal world for all given the limitations of our universe and our time. And that's what the second movie addresses.

Unfortunately, Addendum has the same scary style as the other one, but hey, what counts is the message. And the message is pretty simple: we have taken the wrong path, and now we gotta fix it. Today we are stuck with the structures which were here before us, such as religion, governments, media, legislations, capitalism, etc. All structures which don't make sense anymore; they have got far away from their main objectives and are now centered around self preservation. Religion is creating differences; governments don't work for everyone's best interests; media brainwashes us; legislations favor higher classes; and so on... The movie shows how we can have a better world, and part of it is accepting the world is never going to work if we don't change our mindset.

I think people should open their minds and ask themselves what they think is really the best for all. Stop being selfish and greedy, and most importantly, don't dismiss an idea just because it doesn't go along with your present way of thinking. Grow up.

1407 days ago | Side: FREEDOM
1 point  

Anyone can make anything seem true if they say it the right way.

That doesn't make it true, it just makes you stupid.

1408 days ago | Side: The Zeitgeist Movement
Argento(505) Disputed
2 points

Which parts did you think were not true? The bit about how the federal reserve works or the bit about the origins of Christianity?

Did you actually watch the entire movies?

1407 days ago | Side: The Zeitgeist Movement
0 points

I watched the first 10 minutes of the first movie, and was unimpressed. It seemed heavy on emotional manipulation and light on arguments. Yes, it's unfair to judge so quickly, but no way in hell I'm sitting through four hours of dubious film.

I did check out the synopsis on Wikipedia. Here's my further condensed version:

1) Religion is bullshit.

2) 9/11 was an inside job.

3) The Federal Reserve is an evil conspiracy.

My reactions to each:

1) Ok

2) Oh, please

3) Yeah, right

So overall I give it a meh.

1408 days ago | Side: meh
4 points

It's strange how eager you seem to immediately discount yourself from the debate. Not only did you not watch what the debate is supposed to be on, you ran to the wiki and used that synopsis to base your thoughtless reply to a debate that by definition doesn't include you because don't want to actually watch the movies to form your own opinion. Bravo.

If we were having a debate on a famous novel would you just read the cliff's notes or run to he wiki on that too?

Do you see where I'm going? If you choose to jump in to one of these kinds of debates at least have the sense to actually have a leg to stand on. I'm not faulting you for having an opinion, just for basing it on a synopsis of what the debate wanted to talk about. By all mean, tear the movies apart, but watch them first so you are not just another parrot speaking other people's words. If you don't want to watch, then why would you want to debate about it? To show your mastery of wikipedia? I give that a "meh".

1408 days ago | Side: The Zeitgeist Movement
1 point  

Will someone, once and for all give this grandma a clue as to what "meh" means? Is it simply an utterance like ugh or is it really a new word?

1407 days ago | Side: The Zeitgeist Movement
jessald(1898) Disputed
1 point  

Dude, chill.

It's more like I'm saying, "Cursory observations indicate watching this would be a waste of time."

Granted, it's not the most incisive argument. But Argento clearly is seeking some thoughts regarding the movie, and seeing as how nobody had yet posted anything to this debate, I thought my initial reaction would be a good start.

1407 days ago | Side: meh
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