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For figurative interpretations Bible is literal and all real
Debate Score:32
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The bible was written to be interpreted figuratively not literally.

Religious books or most of them were meant to be interpreted figuratively, as a child’s book may convey important themes and issues, not meant to be taken as literal, unequivocal truth.  If read literally it is a barometer for intelligence.  

For figurative interpretations

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Bible is literal and all real

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Since my assertion cannot be disproved or proved because we can’t go back in time and ask the people who wrote down the stories contained in the bible, this is really just an expanded opinion, created for the sole purpose of getting people to just for one second doubt the constraints one puts on their own mind, and if they could suspend rigid belief for a nanosecond it would be worth spending time.

My only arguement is a simple challenge, pick up your religious book and read a story, then extend your mind far enough away from the literal translation and like a photograph coming into focus, what was once thought to be sure and finite is now just a thread in a larger tapestry, which extends through history as allegories or truths that can have beneficial effects in their ability to pass this information forward in time.

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Scarletfox04(9) Disputed
1 point

Not every Christian has a "rigid belief" as you say. Like me, I spent 5 years investigating the Bible, checking things out, trying to figure out things like these, and I came to conclusion after many nights of confusion, many days deep thinking, and at last, I came to a conclusion that God was real, the Bible was real, and that it actually made sense.

Ricky, there is much more to Christians than you believe there to be.

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Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
1 point

I don't care what beliefs Christians hold the same way I don't care what views the slobs at White Castle have when they serve me my laxatives.

You think that is much more to Christians then I believe there is, wrong. There is MUCH MORE to REAL LIFE than your limited mindset can even encompass. Religious doctrine sought to reduce human suffering by limiting actions that were known to cause harm. But human nature is such that all forms of authority can be abused, and since religion is a HUMAN invention, it is no surprise that half of all of what religion has done has been strictly evil.

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It doesn’t matter which way u take it, it’s all the biggest desert hook nose scam and shim sham that’s EVER BEEN!!

Any “goy” who is brain washed by it DESERVES to be enslaved by the money changing crooks. Free your mind - study ancient Nordic beliefs. Black people - check your ancestors religion. Don’t be a sheep

Ba ba

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Scarletfox04(9) Disputed
1 point

If the Bible is a scam, then how do explain Isaiah 53, discovering the future, how did Isaiah know that Jesus was going to die that specific way. Also if the Bible is a scam where did it come from? Are you saying that the Bible is a scam or that God is a scam, they are two very different things. If you are saying that God is a scam then it is easy. How do you explain how Moses' laws? They are really God's law, but according to you Moses somehow just got lucky and happened to know how to not eat uncooked meat and all of that? Also, do you remember the black plague. Where is the one place that the black plague did not affect as much as the rest, the Jewish community, because they were following the Law, you know, wash your clothing, don't eat these animals, only eat those, etc. etc.

If you think that the Bible is a scam, then where did it come from? Do you think that someone just came up with it in that last decade or so? The Bible is one of the world's oldest books. How did this religion stay alive anyway, with all these people killing and enslaving Christians and Jews this whole time? Why are we finding ancient Egyptian chariot wheels in the bottom of and the middle of the red sea? how did they get there? Obviously, the parting of the red sea!

My last point it that you say that people are brain washed by it? Now it is true that some people believe just because other people have told them to, but others, like my father, did not grow up in a Christian home, yet found his way to Christ, how did that happen? Christianity is the only religion where you are supposed to have a relationship with God, and that is what draw many people to it, not just that everyone around them is doing it.

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1 point

Then I think you must be prepared for the possibility that God himself is not to be taken literally, instead as a metaphor for something, like the good inside each of us or whatever. Is that a possibility in your mind? (I assume you are Christian?)

Edit: Oops, you're not a Christian, well my question still applies to Christians who believe some of the bible is not to be taken literally. (Or to believers of different religions)

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No worse injustice in modern society is as pervasive as organized religion, it’s clear control methodology permeates society even as almost all information of human history; science, phsyics, and biology become freely available to anyone on the planet. The holy book that Christians endow with such fanatical reverence is as powerful as another document written in the past.

The founding fathers of the US constitution set forth constraints on religious intervention into politics because they knew, because they had read and understood the allegories contained in Thieistic teaching, how consuming it can be when ‘religious leaders’ take advantage of a group of people with limited faculties to refute them. Early Americans knew very well that a society based on theocracy would quickly fall prey to the whims and desires of the clergy who hold power. The fact that someone had the foresight and compassion to shield societies from this only reinforces the prolific nature of principals such as anger, greed and jealousy that are part of the human psyche, and are inherent in almost all leadership throughout history and today.

The collected works contained in the King James Bible contains stories and ideas that represent the desire of societies to be free from Tyrannical organizations, as does the constitution, and should be viewed historically for the purpose of maintaining those freedoms.

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Scarletfox04(9) Disputed
1 point

I do believe that some parts of the Bible are figurative, though it is all real. I am completely ready to accept the fact that God is not real, that would make my world so much easier, to give into all the things that people are telling me, however, i still need proof that God is not real, well, a metaphor according to you. Are you willing to accept the fact that there is a real God out there who created everything and wants to have a relationship with you personally, you just have to let him in?

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Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
1 point

How can a human being, who knows for a fact that the bible was written by other human beings, somehow still believe that there was something magical about the book itself. It says right in the fuckn bible, to not listen to the words of man, yet somehow this doesn’t transmit into people’s brains. The subtleness of the statement and it’s context continually misconstrued and misinterpreted by different people, trying to extend the human power that the book holds over people.

I spent today, like I do most days, watching lectures by scientists who are now just starting to be able to deviate from Einstein’s local theories and explain the universe in a quantum sence. The thing that makes me know that I’m on the right path, is seeing how much people understood these principals thousands of years ago, but used them to assert their gods, instead of explain the universe, but you have to put things in context of understanding of the times, then I makes perfect sence.

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Mack(535) Clarified
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I might be a happier person if I had a strong faith in God. I want to believe that there is life after death. The thing is, I don't believe there is sufficient evidence to do so, and I personally think it would be immoral to 'lie' to myself.

I don't believe that there is no sort of deity, because there is insufficient evidence for that too. I just lack belief in any deity. I think we are in similar, but opposite, situations.

Side: For figurative interpretations
1 point

A compilation of different books by different human authors over a long span of time automatically means it is figurative and lot literal. An infallible God giving an infallible word by word book of instruction does not need dozens of authors and a thousand years in order to create a book. These are all works of people and religious subgroups, and they are all influenced by the circumstances in the time in which they were written as well as the cultures of the authors at that snapshot of time.

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4 points

Hello Rick,

My friend, bront, tells us about atheist mega church's.. I retort by suggesting that the only people would join a church like that are butthurt Christians. Only a butthurt Christian would ask a question like yours.

TRUE atheists have no beef with the bible or religion. They simply don't believe it. They believe in NOTHING, and it makes no sense for people to join together to celebrate NOTHING..

excon

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Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
1 point

What the fuck does any of that blathering have to do with whether or not facts are facts. Since 97 percent of all people living in North America have had some sort of indoctrination in some type of religion I would call your arguement just stupid. Are you saying you know how I think or what I think.

I used to have to air religious shows on the tv station I worked at and once I was able to look at the information in the bible in an intelligent manner, it was a lock was keyed, every story told as if it was true because if your stupid enough to believe it literally, then you should absolutely stay with it, cause you haven’t yet developed the faculties to comprehend the allegories which stupid people definitely need, because they lack the capacity to come to those conclusions on their own.

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Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
1 point

And furthermore what fuckn moron would celebrate nothing? Athiests celebrate the beauty of the universe and the beauty of the universality of the information contained within it. When you proport that something comes from a magic guy in the sky, and that he commissioned a novel to explain his point of view, it absolves you of the responsibility of having to figure it out. Can’t understand it, oh that’s ok, there’s a story in my book that succinctly explains why you shouldn’t be examining it.

In conclusion your arguement is I’m a butt hurt Christian who joined a mega-church of athiesm as revenge against your imaginary friend. Well that’s certainly explains why the bible is rife with supernatural BS that can’t be reconciled with real life.

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3 points

I believe in a literal Jesus....................................................................................

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Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
0 points

Your literally an idiot, one day you’ll see, and you’ll be like ahhhh I’m an idiot. But if it floats your dingy, go for it, you know if you don’t care about truth.

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Scarletfox04(9) Disputed
1 point

You say one day we will be like ahhhhh, I'm an idiot, what day will that be? Where do we go when we die? Here's the thing, Rick, believing in God is quite logical, (and quite boosting considering that when all your friends leave you he is there for you) because if God is real, and you believe in him, you'll go to heaven, but if you don't believe in him, then you will go to hell, but that is just if he is real. If you there is no God, and you still believe in Him, you have nothing to lose. Therefore, if you believe in God, it is more likely for to go to heaven instead of hell, or nothing will happen.

But that's just the logical side of it. If you want the convincing side of it, God wants a relationship with you, and wants to save you, but you have to first respond to him.

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OmegaPan(647) Disputed
0 points

You mean you're an idiot. At least use proper grammer you fucking piece of uneducated trash.

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2 points

There are parts of it that are meant to be taken figuratively and there are parts of it that are meant to be taken literally. However, this does not take away from the fact that the entire thing is true

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1 point

I completely agree, the entire thing is true, however there are parts that should be taken figuratively.

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1 point

This time I have to disagree with you rick. The Bible was written (The New Testament, that is.) by a "ruler", an Emperor, and later "re-versioned" by a King. I believe it was written by him to be taken literally to keep people under control. To keep them from thinking much for themselves, except for "nice thoughts". HE could control the Priests, Pastors ... whatever, and thus control the people. I use the same quote I used earlier: Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful." I DO agree that it should NOT be taken literally OR real. The fact that there are other "versions" shows that no one ACTUALLY knows WTF they are talking about.

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Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
1 point

Why would scholars then approve the texts for acceptance to pass into the future? Of course the whole thing was designed as a mandate to enact control over mass populations, but why not then just exclude it all from the finished product unless it also has a deep figurative meaning or is in some way important to the subtext of the rest of the stories?

I think the earlier ‘matrix’ of human thought as it pertained to control was deemed faulty as it undoubtedly failed in its goal to create their utopian society. So then a new system of more allegorical stories emerged from the failure, but left in was a reminder not to revert back to the old ways. More like mental blackmail for the dull, anyone reading the Old Testament can see that’s not going to create a decent society as it relies wholly on fear and intractable suffering.

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OmegaPan(647) Disputed
1 point

@AlofRI

Are you a fucking god damned retard? If you're going to trash religious people at least say something that makes fucking sense and is historically accurate. You have got to be the dumbest, most uneducated dumbass on the entire site.

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AlofRI(1858) Clarified
1 point

@Omegapain

Where did I trash religious people, you nerd? I did NOT! I stated how and why I think the New Testament was written.

The Bibles "parts" were written either in ancient Hebrew or Aramaic on stone tablets, Papyrus, etc.. Sometimes fragments of which survived. This was "interpreted" and written several times by hand, then "translated" into ancient Koine Greek (by Constantine) ... and copied by hand several times, then "translated" into Latin ... and copied by hand several times, then "translated" again into Elizabethan English and PRINTED, finally, with opportunities for error and confusion with every translation and interpretation, at every stage! Now, dumbass, tell me how anything with that history can emerge "historically accurate"!

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Scarletfox04(9) Disputed
1 point

These versions, as you call them, are not really versions of the Bible, do your research before strongly arguing something. We do know what we are talking about. These are translations of the Bible because I don't know about you, but I really don's want to learn a bunch of new languages just to read the Bible, instead, why don't I get a group of a few thousand people to try translate the Bible into my own language!! Also, you say that we don't know what we are talking about, however if you were going to completely commit your life to something, to someone to do whatever they want you to do, to do whatever they please, wouldn't you want to make sure that that someone is real, and that you aren't committing your life to nothing.

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LOL. The unbelieving live in a fantasy world. I guess slavery never existed and still doesn't exist today. I guess the black man getting shot down on the streets by the so-called white man, who's supposed to be keeping the peace, yet is murdering innocent black men and women is keeping the peace, at least for the white man, but oh wait, the Bible is not literal, so that doesn't exist either. The white man shooting us down on the streets and holding themselves not guilty doesn't exist either. Woe one and woe two or WWI and WWII never existed. Woe three is not going to exist either. Native Americans having their land and goods taken from them by Europeans, and being raped and murder and forced to live on reservations didn't and doesn't exist either. Inequality doesn't exist either. The Sub-Saharan Slave Trade, Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade never existed either. So-called blacks, Native American Indians, and Hispanics/Latinos being at the very bottom of society doesn't exist either. The so-called white man forcing the white image of Jesus on blacks, Native Americans, and Latinos/Hispanics never existed either, so on and so forth. Everything that is happening right now and that happened in the past, is bible prophecy. So, how can you discredit a book you have no understanding about? You unbelieving dumb bunnies that discredit the bible because you don't understand it, need to go sit in a corner and just shut up.

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Hello there Grenache.

I see what You are saying that God could have written the Bible in a shorter time than five to six thousand years of History.

However, the Bible is composed of many, many books and not just a single book and It has a historical context and the Bible is UNLIKE any other set of books that have ever eXisted.

There is nothing like the Bible anywhere on the earth. Even if someone does not believe the Bible they would pay money to get the Bible and read and study it because it is unique, original, in conteXt to the region and trully the greatest story ever told on earth.

Even if You don't believe it - It is the book that has been most purchased and most read of all of the other books of the world. BECAUSE it has no known errors, " NO BULL " nothing fake detected about it.

In other words, there is nothing in the Bible that You or I can read and say " hey ! - = = --- this is fake and disproven by a known world historical account. - it is the most perfect set of books that have ever even been imagined or drempth of eXisting.

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