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Debate Score:18
Arguments:13
Total Votes:18
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The following links prove that just about everybody here can't write an argument...

...without riddling it with insults or trying to shame somebody to change their beliefs.

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/A_small_lesson_4_the_atheists_and_agnostics_christian_from_islam_even_though_UR_prejudice

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/Does_God_exist

There have been plenty more: just look through a religious debate, or even a political one.

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Side Score: 5
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Side Score: 13
1 point

Key words here being "just about", of course. There are a few people here who can hold their own in a rational debate without resorting to generalizations and petty attacks, but these people are few and far between.

okay so maybe this only applies to the more controversial topics. still, stupid people exist. s'all I'm saying.

Side: yes
3 points

I think most of the people here can, but the community doesn't reinforce this behavior enough, and punish people who don't argue well.

Instead, people use the up and down votes to reinforce or punish people that have like opinions or opposing opinions. I've been saying this since like 2007 or 2008. The point of the site should be to tune your opinions and your ability to argue a point... not about jacking people off that you agree with or that agree with you.

This is one of the reason I'll argue a point that I don't actually believe, but it's an idea that isn't represented. I don't really want people to agree with me, I want people to question their own ideas. Most of what I put here is just shit that I've learned to conceder in thought, and in arguing these points I (should be) learn(ing) more about the pros and cons of these ideas.

If the demographic were to be more strict about their standards I would conform. I could cite my sources, I could argue well, but the people don't seem to want it. I float in and out of CD looking for new people who expect this. Usually, bright newcomers are the best arguers, but they leave after a short time because everyone else here is more used to four character opinions than well thought out arguments. Hard working newer people often don't have opposition or just learn to post shit arguments like everyone else.

Anywho, I believe that the people here can, but we need to try harder. Punish people who don't try, even if they're right or seem right, and reward people who may be wrong but argue well.

AND QUIT POSTING STUPID OR REDUNDANT DEBATE TOPICS!!! Maybe once a week post a debate topic about the next weeks topics. Vote on the topics, then go at them for a week and write well thought out arguments. I'll upvote anyone who argues well.

Side: No
2 points

I didn't see that. There were a number of people in both debates that wrote coherently and cogently.

Trouble is there were also a large number of woo peddlers.

Have you learned yet how to distinguish the two?

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6780) Disputed
2 points

You are amongst the people who insult and shame others.

Side: yes
JayAr(182) Disputed
1 point

He may be one of them from your perspective (and others too). He does raise a point, many can write well thought out arguments, however plenty others attack the person rather than the argument that one brings up. The ban feature doesn't see enough use on these people. (and yes terminator, you are occasionally banned due to people simply not liking your point of view, which is very sad)

Any idea on what to do?

EDIT: Also the link I got in a private message to a similar debate was specifically on religion, I see this one as a general and as a way to try to fix it.

Side: What to do what to do
Scumbarge(116) Disputed
1 point

Aaaaaaaaand so are you. Get off your goddamn high horse, eh?

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
1 point

You are amongst the people who insult and shame others.

Well, seeing as you've told everyone you don't feel anything, I don't find it possible that I could offend you or shame you.

Side: No

What's wrong with insulting each other based on where we stand?

If I for instance, take a position that physical abuse directed at women is a religious entitlement of mine based on the writings of primitive men thousands of years ago, why should I have the expectation that I won't have insults directed at me from those who disagree?

And if I do, where is the harm in that?

Side: No
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
1 point

In that case people shouldn't attack you because you're already attacking yourself and everyone should already know you don't feed trolls.

Side: yes

Proof is enough evidence to establish something as true, the thing is some people do resort to name calling which I try to refrain from (I have been called Gay and a Pedophile in a recent debate) but the same people can most of the time construct arguments. There is a certain few that always become abusive.

I personally take the time to indicate that I am being humorous so as not to cause offense and I am one of the debaters on those links.

Side: No