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The legalisation of all drugs.

My question for today is: Should drugs in general, that includes cocaine, weed, meth, ect, be legalised and sold to the general public? Please try to remain as civil and not arrogant as possible in your arguments. Cheers.

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It seems to me that making drugs illegal has not decreased their use overall overtime by any significant percent.

That one or another drug is "down in use" thanks to the "war on drugs" nearly always corresponds with the increased use of another similar drug.

I think legalization would ensure "safer" drugs, as in less "bad batches" that make people OD, it would shift the money made from drugs out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of law abiding citizens, and it would be an enormous source of revenue for the country.

I understand the argument that "legalization would encourage use" in theory, but in practice I don't think this is the case.

Perhaps though a slow introduction would be called for. Instead of waking up tomorrow and making it a free-for-all,

start with weed, move on to coke, hallucinogens, other "safer drugs" so by the time your to shit like meth legal drugs are no big deal and you don't have idiots doing it suddenly "just because now they can legally."

Side: For
2 points

In the words of Doug Stanhope: "I have the right to do whatever I want to my own body, and if it kills me, happy for me, fuck you."

Saying drugs should be illegal because they can be dangerous is the same as saying cars should be illegal because they are dangerous. Drugs are fun, they aren't dangerous if used properly, and anyone who is anti drugs and drinks alcohol or smokes is a fucking hypocrite.

Side: For
x420xHustler(228) Clarified
1 point

People are connected, and narcotics are often something that hurt the emotions of those who care about us. It might be easy to say: "My parents drink so I can do drugs", but it's harder to live up to the reality of the consequences of your actions. Too often people flauntingly justify selfish behavior with libertarian ideologies, when in reality such an ideology is the hardest to live up to. Legalization is saying there is no common rule, and trusting individuals to realize what they are doing and to act rationally. You answer to yourself and to those around you, but not to the government.

Side: For
2 points

Legalize all drugs as soon as possible. And don't put any regulations on them, either. The people have a right to choose what they put in their own body.

The War on Drugs has been an absolute disaster and ignore something even more important... drugs are not as dangerous as what the government and advocacy groups try to make them out to be. Some are, but that is up to the user, not some people that we put titles on as if they're the fuckin' wisest people in the planet.

Side: For

Especially the distinciton between different classes of drugs has been proven outdated and unscientific. Alcohol and tobacco are still legal even though they are relatively dangerous and pointless. What is the point of making codeine more dangerous to people with medical needs by mixing it with paracetamol? Countless social, practical and financial problems are caused by the war on drugs.

Side: For
1 point

Perhaps a banning of sales on drugs like PCP, meth and other very dangerous drugs would be fair.

Only the sales, however. What a person owns or uses is up to them.

Side: Against
2 points

Well, who will be interpreting what drugs are dangerous? The government and their special intrests will, which is why for most of the war on drugs weed, lsd and shrooms were listed as more dangerous than heroin, meth and cocaine.

Side: For
Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

Perhaps by total death rate.

But what you say is true as well. Right now, I guess that's how they do it, and alcohol and tobacco are considered safe for some reason.

Perhaps allowing all drugs to be legal would be best.

Side: Against
1 point

Legalizing drugs will inevitably lead to increased usage in the population and as a result, a decrease in the general health and quality of the population is inescapable.

Legalizing drugs will make them cheap and easier to obtain than they are now. There are a lot of people who don't do drugs for various reasons and legalizing them will simply remove a lot of these boundaries.

Some people, out of general principle, won't do anything that's illegal. If we legalize all drugs, some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users.

Some people want to try drugs, but are afraid of getting into trouble with the law. If we legalize all drugs, some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users.

Some people want to try drugs, but do not want to associate with criminals, dealers, gang members etc. If we legalize all drugs, they will be able to get drugs from a safe, legal source. Some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users.

Some people want to try drugs, but are afraid of the quality of the drugs they get - they may be made from cheap produce or have a lot of chemicals and other harmful components in them. Legalizing drugs will supply these people with a clear cut drug, where the components of the drugs are labeled on the jar it's in. Some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users.

The above list is certainly not exhaustive.

There is absolutely no reason to think that legalizing drugs will somehow decrease the amount of users or control the flow. Sure, it can add a whole new income for governmental funds - but do the ends justify the means? Should we condone the use of poisons just to get some short term benefits for long term illnesses (increased amount of users, the decrease of the general health of the population, increased expenses to support users who can't take care of themselves etc.)?

Legalizing drugs will also legitimize a lot of the criminal organisations and drug cartels that are manufacturing drugs right now. While their profits may take a dip - it's not very likely that it will be a big one. The legalization of drugs means that people no longer have to be bribed, no increased costs for the sake of guaranteeing a succesful smuggle etc etc. A lot of these extra expenses that go into the evasion of law are no longer necessary. To think that the legalization of drugs will hit the cartels hard is very misguided and naive.

All in all, I do not think drugs should be legal. I also maintain that alchohol and smokes should be illegal.

Side: Against
anachronist(889) Disputed
1 point

Legalizing drugs will inevitably lead to increased usage in the population

If by that you mean it might make people more open minded and willing to shake their cultural brainwashing, yeah. I don't understand why you think it's a bad thing.

Legalizing drugs will make them cheap and easier to obtain than they are now.

Clearly, you have never been under eighteen trying to get fucked. What I have always found funny since I started smoking weed was that it was easier for me to buy weed than papers to roll them in. When stuff is illegal, it makes it way easier to obtain because all you have to do is ring a guy up and meet another one down the road. As for the price, I think we all know the government would be straight on that shit with sky high taxes faster than Wiz Khalifa can roll a fat one.

And again, surely cheaper and easily obtainable drugs are a good thing?

Some people, out of general principle, won't do anything that's illegal.

These people are commonly referred to as fucking idiots. Good people break bad laws.

If we legalize all drugs, some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users.

So what, that's their choice, not yours.

Some people want to try drugs, but are afraid of getting into trouble with the law. If we legalize all drugs, some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users.

Good.

Some people want to try drugs, but do not want to associate with criminals, dealers, gang members etc. If we legalize all drugs, they will be able to get drugs from a safe, legal source.

Even better! Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

Some people want to try drugs, but are afraid of the quality of the drugs they get - they may be made from cheap produce or have a lot of chemicals and other harmful components in them. Legalizing drugs will supply these people with a clear cut drug, where the components of the drugs are labeled on the jar it's in. Some of these people will try drugs and some of them will become consistent users

OK, you must have just clicked onto the wrong side of the debate, you're definitely arguing for drug legalisation.

Should we condone the use of poisons

Typical, brainwashed anti-drug rhetoric. What makes something poison? It kills you in high doses? Then weed isn't a poison. And I assume you don't plan on banning all medicines either.

Many drugs you refer to as "poison" are just medicines. Take scopolamine, normally used as travel sickness tablets, also used to trip huge balls. Ketamine, used as a dissociative anaesthetic, also used for removing your mind from your own identity for an hour. Heroin, basically strong morphine. Cannabis, not harmful at all unless used constantly, in which case it can make you go a bit weird, contains various cannabinoids that literally kill cancer cells and relieve nausea and pain.

Legalizing drugs will also legitimize a lot of the criminal organisations and drug cartels that are manufacturing drugs right now.

Which one is it? Make up your mind, a minute ago you were saying people will no longer have to associate with gangs and all drugs could be sourced safely.

All in all, I do not think drugs should be legal. I also maintain that alchohol and smokes should be illegal.

Do you want to make cars, fatty foods, extreme sports, and crossing roads illegal? How would you like it if I told you what you can and can't do based on what is "good" for you? Who are you to tell others what's "good" for them? Oh right, you're a fascist who think you can own other people's bodies, oh that's alright then.

Side: For
VecVeltro(412) Disputed
1 point

If by that you mean it might make people more open minded and willing to shake their cultural brainwashing, yeah. I don't understand why you think it's a bad thing

Cultural brainwashing? Having a tiny bit of self-control and not catering to every hedonistic desire is cultural brainwashing? Besides, as I understand you want to replace that kind of ''brainwashing'' with self-induced delusions and hallucinations via drugs.

Cultural brainwashing makes one act civilized, drugs make people act like idiots.

Clearly, you have never been under eighteen trying to get fucked. What I have always found funny since I started smoking weed was that it was easier for me to buy weed than papers to roll them in. When stuff is illegal, it makes it way easier to obtain because all you have to do is ring a guy up and meet another one down the road. As for the price, I think we all know the government would be straight on that shit with sky high taxes faster than Wiz Khalifa can roll a fat one.

Legalizing drugs pretty much involve a 100%-500% decrease in the prices. Sure, the state will tax it but not nearly enough to make illegal purchases cheaper.

These people are commonly referred to as fucking idiots. Good people break bad laws.

These laws are designed to protect you and the society as whole. But if the people want cultural and societal anarchy, then there really is nothing to do about that.

Many drugs you refer to as "poison" are just medicines. Take scopolamine, normally used as travel sickness tablets, also used to trip huge balls. Ketamine, used as a dissociative anaesthetic, also used for removing your mind from your own identity for an hour. Heroin, basically strong morphine. Cannabis, not harmful at all unless used constantly, in which case it can make you go a bit weird, contains various cannabinoids that literally kill cancer cells and relieve nausea and pain.

Do you honestly think that people use drugs because of their medicinal value? Or do they use for the sole purpose of getting high and acting like degenerated idiots who laugh at even the most trivial things?

Which one is it? Make up your mind, a minute ago you were saying people will no longer have to associate with gangs and all drugs could be sourced safely.

They wouldn't be criminals anymore now would they? They would be companies and corporations.

Do you want to make cars, fatty foods, extreme sports, and crossing roads illegal?

None of the things you listed are intrinsically bad for the person and none of these things make you act like a degenerated idiot.

How would you like it if I told you what you can and can't do based on what is "good" for you?

If you gave me a good reason i.e that I'm damaging myself and being a burden to society - In that case, I would thank you for teaching me and showing me the right way.

Oh right, you're a fascist who think you can own other people's bodies, oh that's alright then.

I hope you feel better.

Side: Against