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The media is liberal

  1. 75% to 85% of reporters self identify themselves as democrats.
  2. People who go into journalism have the luxury of not caring about making a living. These artsy types don’t want to be constrained with putting food on the table. They want the government to take care of all of these so they can sit around and talk about how smart they are.
  3. "Indeed, the media elites covering national politics would be indistinguishable from the Democratic Party except the Democratic Party isn't liberal enough. A higher percentage of the Washington press corps voted for Clinton in 1992 than did his demographic category: 'Registered Democrats.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 56

 http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf

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3 points

Using an Ann Coulter book as a reference to prove a poltical point is almost equivalent to using a creationist source to prove a scientific point, get a grip on yourself man.

Side: The media is liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

For all of you Ann Coulter haters, don't tell me that just because she said it, that it is false... You have to argue with what she said, not with the fact that someone you don't like said something. No one is wrong 100% of the time, and this talking past each other is the cause of our problems.

Side: The media is liberal
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A 2002 study by Jim A. Kuypers of Dartmouth College, Press Bias and Politics, investigated the issue of media bias. In this study of 116 mainstream US papers, including The New York Times, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle, Kuypers stated that the mainstream press in America tends to favor liberal viewpoints. They claimed that reporters who they thought were expressing moderate or conservative points of view were often labeled as holding a minority point of view. Kuypers said he found liberal bias in reporting a variety of issues including race, welfare reform, environmental protection, and gun control. Professor's Study Shows Liberal Bias in News Media – 09/17/2002

http://web.archive.org/web/20080205062048/http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200209/CUL20020917b.html

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

What I said to Casper:

Journalists, on the other hand, control most of what the news story will be. There's a boss who says "go out and cover this" and then either approves or disapproves it. however, if the Journalists, who create the content (not follow an extremely specific guideline with pre-made questions) and edits it and all, are mostly liberal, it is INEVITABLE that what they are telling us is with a liberal slant. Rarely can human beings keep their personal beliefs out of what they say (unless they're reading off a teleprompter... written by who, though?)

Now, I suppose the real question would be on how much of a real problem is this?

So anyway, the same question goes to lobbying. I shall say that most of the people who are going to say "liberal journalists isn't a problem" are the same people who say "corporate lobbies are a problem".

Two different issues with many similarities. This is because the real problem then becomes "how much faith do we have in our free minded voters?"

If we have little faith, then allowing corporations to lobby and fund campaigns is JUST AS BAD as allowing Journalists to have political beliefs on what they're talking about.

To say that the Journalists are being impartial is irrelevant if you believe that corporate lobbies CAN'T BE impartial. What differs business men from journalists? They are both humans with very similar desires. Just one favors money while the other favors ideology and fame. A businessman is MOST LIKELY going to try and change things so that he can make more money, but only JUST AS LIKELY as a journalist will try to convince people that he is right and his way is right.

Not to mention, of course, that most media is run by corporations. 30 Rock makes fun of Libertarians and even tries to paint the owner of General Electric as a heartless Libertarian type. It's how they get away with the fact that the CEO of General Electric has supported Obama and his policies since he was running for election.

If the people who are telling us the news describe themselves as more left/democratic/liberal, then we have a left-leaning media. Bad? Good? I, for one, favor free speech and I take in all the media that I care for. Even though most of the media may be liberal, there is still plenty of media out there that isn't.

If we favor the first amendment, we should instead focus on picking media that suits us. You know... free market philosophy?

I always fear that one day Conservatives will demand a Fairness Doctrine for everything but radio (thank goodness they've invested too much time and attacking the Fairness Doctrine to just flip-flop).

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

Public media (NPR PBS) is liberal.

NPR gets its money from the Government. They pay check requires them to believe that government should be involved in the arts. Conservatives believe in limited government, and so, of course, people who get their money from the government, are not going to support policies that would remove their job. What's funny is NPR and PBS often tells its listeners that they are less biased than media that gets its funding by advertisements, but they are, of course, more biased. Even if you could try to not be biased, subconsciously you would assume the government should be doing all sorts of stuff, because, after all, you wouldn't believe that your life work is meaningless, or not valuable.

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

"It was revealed that the Democratic Party received a total donation of $1,020,816, given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks (NBC, CBS, ABC), while the Republican Party received only $142,863 via 193 donations." That is 7 times the amount that republicans got.

Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters. http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-democrats-got-88-percent-2008-contributions-tv-network-execs-writers

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

The people who "moderate" the debates are all democratic hacks. George Stephanopoulos was the Bill Clinton press secretary. Chris Matthews was a presidential speechwriter during the Carter administration

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

A study cited frequently by critics of a "liberal media bias" in American journalism is The Media Elite, a 1986 book co-authored by political scientists Robert Lichter, Stanley Rothman, and Linda Lichter.[21] They surveyed journalists at national media outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the broadcast networks. The survey found that most of these journalists were Democratic voters whose attitudes were well to the left of the general public on a variety of topics, including such hot-button social issues as abortion, affirmative action, and gay rights. Then they compared journalists' attitudes to their coverage of controversial issues such as the safety of nuclear power, school busing to promote racial integration, and the energy crisis of the 1970s. The authors concluded that journalists' coverage of controversial issues reflected their own attitudes, and the predominance of political liberals in newsrooms therefore pushed news coverage in a liberal direction. They presented this tilt as a mostly unconscious process of like-minded individuals projecting their shared assumptions onto their interpretations of reality.

R. Lichter, S. Rothman, and L. Lichter, The Media Elite. New York: Hastings House, 1991.

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

In a survey conducted by the American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1997, 61% of reporters stated that they were members of or shared the beliefs of the Democratic Party. Only 15% say their beliefs were best represented by the Republican Party. This leaves 24% undecided or Independent.

ASNE report". Retrieved 2007-03-28, http://www.asne.org/kiosk/reports/97reports/journalists90s/journalists.html

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

Financial reporters are never allowed to write about companies in which they have an interest, while political reporters routinely refuse to answer questions that might reveal their own political positions and thus allow the reader to adjust for any bias, whether conscious or subconscious, that their reporting might contain. If financial reporters have to regulate their self interest, so should political reporters.

Side: The media is liberal
1 point

During a 2006 exchange with Hewitt, longtime Washington Post reporter and columnist Thomas Edsall said that Democrats outnumbered Republicans 15-25 to 1 among members of the mainstream media ("The Hugh Hewitt Show". Hughhewitt.townhall.com. 2011-12-06. Retrieved 2011-12-10., http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=2a63c078-2e33-46d8-b85a-a91a5257fca2) )

Side: The media is liberal

The media is liberal, and if it is controlled by corporations than they are liberal leaning corporations probably subsidized by a liberal government. The only reason people out there think the media is not liberal is because the media says its not biased and feeds the ego of these mind washed idiots out there by saying that they are smarter than the other guys(non main stream media patrons) just because they pay attention to their show.

Side: The media is liberal
Sitara(11080) Clarified
2 points

I agree and disagree at the same time. There is liberal media like you said, but there is also conservative media. The thing that I am waiting to see is centrist media which reports honestly.

Side: The media is liberal
garry77777(1796) Disputed
2 points

"The thing that I am waiting to see is centrist media which reports honestly."

If you want anything that even approaches honest reporting you have to go out and research for it yourself, I can assure of this.

Side: The media is not liberal
ThePyg(6738) Clarified
1 point

Centrists are ideologues. They believe in moderate proposals.

Reporting honestly does not require one to be a Centrist.

Side: The media is liberal
garry77777(1796) Disputed
2 points

"The media is liberal, and if it is controlled by corporations than they are liberal leaning corporations probably subsidized by a liberal government."

Oh my God, you need to stop with this whole liberal vs republican thing, please go and watch that movie the corporation, I'm begging you.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/3936729/The_Corporation_(2003.DVDRip.XviD))

"The only reason people out there think the media is not liberal is because the media says its not biased and feeds the ego of these mind washed idiots out there by saying that they are smarter than the other guys(non main stream media patrons) just because they pay attention to their show."

Everyone who watches the tv is subjected to the same form of manipulation.

Also, I couldn't help but think you were referring to me in that response, first of all I don't pay attention to any particular show or pundit, I don't really care if that's how you've rationalised it to yourself, but again I would hope you have an open mind on this issue, and are at least willing to take what I say seriously instead of dismissing me out of hand because my views are not the same as yours. I try to get my info. from sources that are not biased, this is extremely difficult as all sources are biased to some degree, but some are at lot more biased than others, and the most biased soruces are the mainstream ones, it doesn't matter if its liberal or conservative.

The only US media outlet I take seriously is Democracy Now, and its war and peace report, it's completely non-profit i.e. "The program is funded entirely through contributions from listeners, viewers, and foundations and does not accept advertisers, corporate underwriting, or government funding"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!

And it is hosted by one of the courageous american journalists alive today (that I can think of anyway):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Goodman

I strongly advise you to check out Amy Goddman's Democracy Now, you don't have to agree with me but open your mind a little.

Side: The media is not liberal
desrt2(9) Disputed
1 point

Democracy Now is considered socialist/left by us conservatives. There is a bit of irony in your proposal to watch the movie, "The Corporation"; you give a link to ThePirateBay for downloading torrents "illegal file sharing." File sharing is communal/leftist... which makes me a bit of a hypocrite since I do it.

Communism of a sort. But whatever this makes me, I am against censorship of any kind unless it's considered obscene. Please don't make me cite the case law on the definition of, "obscene."

The leftist media censors.

Yes, Fox News is Right-centered but it is the only major network that is conservative. I'll duck for cover for the usual onslaught of comments about Fox. Yes, they promote conservative but I have only seen a few instances where they withheld a full account or taken something out of context. And no, I'm not the authority on that.

Yes, corporations and lobbyists buy people's opinions either direction but people are also sheep being led to slaughter.

Democracy is Socialism. A republic is supposed to be a more accurate representation of a true majority, not a simple majority.

Lastly, the word, "Liberal" has been stolen. "Liberal" should refer to free or independent thinkers. Which validates your statement of having an open mind.

Side: The media is liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

"The Corporation" sounds good, but I would love to see any statistics or facts from the movie in this debate.

"Democracy Now! is a United States daily progressive, nonprofit, independently syndicated program of news, analysis, and opinion". It may be good to be "progressive" but it does prove the point that media outlets are liberal. Progressives are liberal. Again it may be good to be progressive, all your friends may be progressive, and all the people you like may be progressive, but progressives are more liberal than the average american which proves the point that the media is liberal, or more liberal than the average american.

Side: The media is liberal
3 points

Meh, here's the first couple paragraphs of your sources "About" page... nothing about news. Apparently they are pretty preoccupied with one thing and one thing only:

The Media Research Center Celebrates 25 Years of Fighting Liberal Media Bias!

The Media Research Center is proud to celebrate 25 years of holding the liberal media accountable for shamelessly advancing a left-wing agenda, distorting the truth, and vilifying the conservative movement.

Since 1987, our unwavering commitment to neutralizing left-wing bias in the news media and popular culture has influenced how millions of Americans perceive so-called objective reporting.

We’re grateful to our fans, grassroots supporters, and donors for allowing us to fight liberal media bias for a quarter century. Your passion for our cause has helped us achieve extraordinary success in shaping public opinion. Here’s to the next 25 years of forcing the media to "Tell the Truth!"

For being such a liberal media I'm always fascinated by the sheer number of crazy right wing nut websites cited on CD on a daily basis.

It is odd, a media website crying about the media's luxury of not having to work. In reality, journalism is difficult and long hours for very little pay.

Side: The media is not liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

I didn't get my quotes from that link to the PDF... I just wanted to link to some additional information, but I did not read it...

But even if those stats did come from the PDF, and even if they are biased, it doesn't necessarily call into question the facts... The facts stand by them self. If the facts are wrong, they are wrong, no matter who said them. If the facts are right, they are right, no matter who said them.

Here is a much better source for facts related to the argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States#Claims_of_a_liberal_bias

Side: The media is liberal
iamdavidh(4856) Clarified
1 point

Much better.

What you'll see though reading through that are a couple things:

1. Newspaper reporters do tend to be more liberal, paragraph by paragraph a percent or so over the last decade when it comes to U.S. politics.

2. When it comes to national issues and war the U.S. media is overwhelmingly pro-war compared to world media. If this is liberal vs. conservative it's pretty damning to the liberal media argument.

3. While the media was more pro-Obama than McCain, little so when you look at the Bush/ Gore election which was ridiculously biased right.

4. And yet despite this when asked, people think the media is overwhelmingly liberal, due I'd guess to all of the constant claims of liberal bias via sites like the original you quoted, Fox and even "liberal" media's seeming acceptance of this phantom bias.

Take a closer look at the charts on your source when you get a chance.

There could be just as supportable a claim of conservative bias as liberal. It would be easy to make that claim. The main contributing factor to the idea that the media is overwhelmingly liberal seems to be that so many claim for it to be so. If there were money in claiming the opposite than I'm sure you'd see sites popping up doing such. Unfortunately there's simply not money to be made by individuals or companies supporting a "liberal" agenda.

Now check out these links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Research_Center

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Media_Research_Center

And specifically

-Exxon Mobil[7]

-The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Inc.

-The foundation donated $1.65 million to Media Research Center between 2001 and 2010. [8]

-Sarah Scaife Foundation

-Castle Rock Foundation

-John M. Olin Foundation, Inc.

-The Carthage Foundation

-JM Foundation[6]

-- That is a list of who funds MRC group. Groups like these are the entities continuing this "liberal bias" myth. They have very deep pockets and that is the sole reason this myth continues.

Side: The media is liberal
3 points

75% to 85% of reporters self identify themselves as democrats.

Democrats aren't liberals.

People who go into journalism have the luxury of not caring about making a living. These artsy types don’t want to be constrained with putting food on the table. They want the government to take care of all of these so they can sit around and talk about how smart they are.

That's a generalization and a half, for the same thing could be said about politicians, namely republican politicians, just interchange "journalism" with "politics," "artsy types" with "tax fed endless income type," and "government" with "tax payers," and boom; sweeping generalization.

"Indeed, the media elites covering national politics would be indistinguishable from the Democratic Party except the Democratic Party isn't liberal enough.

Democrats aren't liberals

A higher percentage of the Washington press corps voted for Clinton in 1992 than did his demographic category: 'Registered Democrats.'" -- Ann Coulter, P. 56

Ann Coulter, that explains it. And let's see the actual values? No? Oh okay Ann, I'll just hope those statistics are real and actually overdramatized like all of your dribblings...

Side: The media is not liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

Democrats might not be liberal, but they are more liberal than the general public. The point is, obviously, that the media is more liberal than an impartial observer, which they pretend to be.

I don't disagree that politicians also see the need for a big government.

Democrats are more liberal than republicans. See above.

The person who says something shouldn't taint the fact. If the fact is true, it is true, no matter who said it. When ever you give a quote from someone, people who disagree with you will always try to change the subject from the actual words that the person said, and if what they said is true or not, and try to change the subject to talking about the person talking. This is stupid, counterproductive, and one of the reasons it is painful to try to have a meaningful conversation with anyone.

Side: The media is liberal
2 points

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Your evidence:

1. An unfounded statistic. (By the way, statistics are concrete numbers, not "well, like 75% or like 80% or maybe it was 85%).

2. A general, hyper-political propaganda statement.

3. A quote from ANN COULTER!!

This is too good.

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Oh. And I almost forgot the link you posted. The one entitled "The Liberal Media Exposed." Ha! That's sounds very unbiased, factual, and scientific in its approach.

Side: The media is not liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

1. The statistics were obtained from Hugh Hewitt, whom I trust, but I'm sorry I did not find a link for them... I'll try and get a link, but figured that we could all assume they were true, and go from there, and see what arguments there were... However I have fixed my assumption, and provided support below.

2. You disagree that people who work for the media would, do to the nature of their job, not see the need for big government?

3. For all of you Ann Coulter haters, don't tell me that just because she said it, that it is false... You have to argue with what she said, not with the fact that someone you don't like said something. No one is wrong 100% of the time, and this talking past each other is the cause of our problems. When ever you give a quote from someone, people who disagree with you will always try to change the subject from the actual words that the person said, and if what they said is true or not, and try to change the subject to talking about the person talking. This is stupid, counterproductive, and one of the reasons it is painful to try to have a meaningful conversation with anyone.

The people who "moderate" the debates are all democratic hacks.

George Stephanopoulos was the Bill Clinton press secretary

Chris Matthews was a presidential speechwriter during the Carter administration

"It was revealed that the Democratic Party received a total donation of $1,020,816, given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks (NBC, CBS, ABC), while the Republican Party received only $142,863 via 193 donations." That is 7 times the amount that republicans got. Obama, Democrats got 88 percent of 2008 contributions by TV network execs, writers, reporters." Wikipedia http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-democrats-got-88-percent-2008-contributions-tv-network-execs-writers

"A study cited frequently by critics of a "liberal media bias" in American journalism is The Media Elite, a 1986 book co-authored by political scientists Robert Lichter, Stanley Rothman, and Linda Lichter. They surveyed journalists at national media outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and the broadcast networks. The survey found that most of these journalists were Democratic voters whose attitudes were well to the left of the general public on a variety of topics, including such hot-button social issues as abortion, affirmative action, and gay rights. Then they compared journalists' attitudes to their coverage of controversial issues such as the safety of nuclear power, school busing to promote racial integration, and the energy crisis of the 1970s. The authors concluded that journalists' coverage of controversial issues reflected their own attitudes, and the predominance of political liberals in newsrooms therefore pushed news coverage in a liberal direction. They presented this tilt as a mostly unconscious process of like-minded individuals projecting their shared assumptions onto their interpretations of reality."~ Wikipedia, R. Lichter, S. Rothman, and L. Lichter, The Media Elite. New York: Hastings House, 1991.

In a survey conducted by the American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1997, 61% of reporters stated that they were members of or shared the beliefs of the Democratic Party. Only 15% say their beliefs were best represented by the Republican Party. This leaves 24% undecided or Independent. ASNE report". Retrieved 2007-03-28, http://www.asne.org/kiosk/reports/97reports/journalists90s/journalists.html

A 2002 study by Jim A. Kuypers of Dartmouth College, Press Bias and Politics, investigated the issue of media bias. In this study of 116 mainstream US papers, including The New York Times, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle, Kuypers stated that the mainstream press in America tends to favor liberal viewpoints. They claimed that reporters who they thought were expressing moderate or conservative points of view were often labeled as holding a minority point of view. Kuypers said he found liberal bias in reporting a variety of issues including race, welfare reform, environmental protection, and gun control. Professor's Study Shows Liberal Bias in News Media – 09/17/2002, http://web.archive.org/web/20080205062048/http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200209/CUL20020917b.html

Side: The media is liberal
Apollo(1608) Disputed
1 point

The statistics were obtained from Hugh Hewitt, whom I trust, but I'm sorry I did not find a link for them... I'll try and get a link, but figured that we could all assume they were true, and go from there, and see what arguments there were... However I have fixed my assumption, and provided support below.

A republican evangelist? Hardly a reputable source. And given the fact that it is not verifiable data, I can't accept it as fact.

You disagree that people who work for the media would, do to the nature of their job, not see the need for big government?

They are paid to report the news. It is from each reporters perspective, and therefore, fallible and biased. So on the (relatively) microcosmic scale, yes, all reporting is biased. But at the macrocosmic scale, to assert that the entire American media is part of a grand liberal conspiracy to brainwash viewers into liberalism is egregiously fallacious on many levels.

don't tell me that just because she said it, that it is false

To assert so would be ad hominem. But regardless, if her statement was factual, then please, present the source of this supposed fact.

Chris Matthews was a presidential speechwriter during the Carter administration

And Jon Huntsman was Obama's Ambassador to China.

The people who "moderate" the debates are all democratic hacks.

All those Fox News democratic hacks...

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All you facts (all three of them--only one of which was from the past decade) refer to three stations (not even news networks) from one medium (television). You ignored radio (very conservative), the web. Within television, you ignored Fox News. It is a very shaky argument once you step off of reporters for three non-news television networks.

Side: The media is not liberal
1 point

Here, listen some some elitists explain the situation a little better. Of course you can't trust them with all their fancy college degrees and years of study, but maybe if a conservative can wrap their head around a couple things: Media in the U.S. is corporate owned, Corporations support far right conservative ideas 10 to 1, therefore of course corporate owned media is by and large going to support the owner's ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic

Liberal Elites with their edumacations and flimflamery
Side: The media is not liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

Do you dispute this statistic: "75% to 85% of reporters self identify themselves as democrats"?

Side: The media is liberal
casper3912(1581) Disputed
2 points

The point is that such statistics are irrelevant. It is the institution of media which matters. Do assembly workers design and decide which products they produce?

Side: The media is not liberal
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

"Here, listen some some elitists explain the situation a little better."

Noam Chomsky and Edward Hermann are not elistist's, Noam Chomsky is probably the most moral intellectual alive, and has been for the past few decades. Have you read any of his books, or essays? How much of his talks, seminars, and lectures have you watched or listened to?

He and Hermann wrote the book "Manufacturing Consent", which is easily one of the most important books ever written on the media, I've haven't read it but I;ve wathced the documentary film made about it. You should check it out, it's pretty eye opening:

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4719720/Manufacturing_Consent__Noam_Chomsky_and_ the_Media_(1992)_-_Xvid_ _-_Xvid_)

"Of course you can't trust them with all their fancy college degrees and years of study,"

Is this meant as a joke?

Side: The media is liberal
iamdavidh(4856) Clarified
2 points

I was being ironic... or sarcastic. Take your pick.............................................................................

Side: The media is liberal
myclob(437) Disputed
1 point

I have a BS in Electrical Engineering, what college degree do you have? According to your approach, I don't have to listen to anything they say because they are "biased"... If you can disregard Ann, I can close my ears and say I'm not listening to Noam. When you respond to Ann's actual arguments, I will respond to Noams. Also please respond to all the other stats about liberal media, instead of just changing the subject, and saying "OMG, you have got to watch these smart guys who are going to do all my thinking for me".

Side: The media is liberal
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

1. The political affiliation of a reporter has little effect on what they are told to report about.

2. A reporter is perfectly capable of reporting two sides of an argument even if they agree with one side more.

Therefore their political affiliation is not evidence of bias of reporting.

This is explained in the video which is why I linked it.

Now explain to me which stories are covered in mainstream media which would make you think the media is liberal?

Was it the emphasis on debt during an unemployment crisis? Is that liberal?

Maybe whether or not a democratic president has a birth certificate? That seems like a liberal issue ._.

Perhaps it was back during the Iraq war when liberal media outlets spent 1 for every 24 hours covering the fact no inspector had found evidence of WMD's whilst the rest was spent covering the evils of Saddam and his phantom connection to terrorists?

The media covers right wing, not left wing news by and large, regardless in what manner this news is reported.

You've mistaken my approach terribly. Your Electrical Engineering degree has nothing to do with current events nor does it cover political issues. I'm assuming it deals with facts... Ironically which would make your degree closer to NPR if one were comparing school to the news.

The problem is if a bomb kills 50 people in Afghanistan, and this is a fact, and it is reported, it is "liberal media" for the singular purpose they reported it. Covering the number of deaths in Iraq was considered "liberal media." When simply saying something happened, which did happen, begins to be looked at through the spectrum of fucking party affiliation you have a problem. Ann Coulter does this incessantly. When a website is setup for the sole purpose of convincing you media is liberal and you should believe nothing they say, you are a few steps from a brain-washing.

What happened should not be considered liberal or conservative.

Side: The media is not liberal