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Debate Score:49
Arguments:36
Total Votes:56
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There Is Only One Type Of Person Who Wants To Own A Firearm

The type that wants to have power over other people.

In other words.

Authoritarians.

Yes

Side Score: 16
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Side Score: 33
2 points

And you should want to have power over someone who has power over you, that's called balancing the scales.

If the other guy has a gun, you should want a gun.

Side: Yes
pinnacle19(36) Disputed
1 point

And you should want to have power over someone who has power over you, that's called balancing the scales.

No it isn't. If you have power over anybody else then the scales are tipped, not balanced. It seems like you are saying you want me to buy a gun so I can protect myself against all the other idiots that you've sold guns to. Just so you know, only an idiot would fall for that.

Side: No
Mingiwuwu(1446) Clarified
5 points

An idiot with a gun can kill a genius without one.

Side: Yes
1 point

1.favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom:

authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.

2.

of or relating to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.

3.

exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others:

an authoritarian parent.

You have perfectly described the Progressive Party good job Dummy LMMFAO

Side: Yes
5 points

No. Hunters want firearms to get food for their family. Others want guns for protection. I would say those two example make up the majority.

Side: No
pinnacle19(36) Disputed
0 points

Hunters want firearms to get food for their family.

It isn't the 12th century. Tell them to go to a supermarket like the rest of us.

Others want guns for protection.

Protection from what exactly? Oh, that's right. FROM OTHER PEOPLE WITH GUNS.

How can you genuinely not understand that taking guns away would negate the argument that you need a gun for protection?

Side: Yes
xMathFanx(1722) Disputed
3 points

@pinnacle

It isn't the 12th century. Tell them to go to a supermarket like the rest of us.

Hunting and/or fishing oneself is far superior ethically than going to the supermarket for your food. I do not think you have thought out your position well at all, and became upset when Mint raised some obvious objections.

Side: No
Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

Tell them to go to a supermarket like the rest of us

Nope. I get some people feel odd about hunting but that's like telling a farmer not to grow his own food. Farmers do have to use guns, specifically to scare off coyotes or other predators that may try to kill their herd. Are you going to try to tell them not to have cattle?

Protection from what exactly?

A person can break in with a knife. It's not always a gun that a criminal carries. I don't care about the property but if someone tries to hurt my family I will be much more comfortable at a safe distance with a gun aimed at them then trying to get closer with a knife to someone who already intends to harm.

Side: No
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

Tell them to go to a supermarket like the rest of us.

If I tell them that I’m here to take there guns and tell them what to do, they might shoot me. You tell em.

Protection from what exactly?

Maybe from people what want to take their guns and tell them what to do. Maybe from from rabid animals. Maybe from pests. Maybe from people who shouldn’t have guns, but do anyway.

How can you genuinely not understand that taking guns away would negate the argument that you need a gun for protection?

Many of the people you may want protection from will harm you for drug money. How can you genuinely not understand that taking drugs away... wait, we already did that. That’s why the streets are all cleaned up...

Side: Yes

There is only one word for people who want to take your firearm.

Authoritarians

There are many names for people who want a firearm.

Hunters

Farmers killing coyotes that kill their livestock

People living far from the police

People who want to defend their families from harm

People who like to target practice

Gun collectors

People who don't trust the government

People who want to be able to take down terrorists, criminals, rapists, school shooters...

Side: No
3 points

There is only one word for people who want to take your firearm.

Authoritarians

Yep. It is easier to enslave unarmed people. Mao and Hitler knew this.

So did the Framers of the US Constitution.

Side: No
3 points

How is it possible that OP fears authoritarianism while simultaneously pushing for the balance of power between citizen and government to tilt further in favor of government?

Side: No
2 points

Then, is Pinnacle the new Nomenclature ?

Side: No
Antrim(1287) Clarified
3 points

You've got it in one there xMath.,

The hallmarks of our poor old psychotic friend with all his name calling and irrational intolerance of the perfectly logical and genuinely held views of others is him all over, yes siree bob.

In recent posts he just couldn't stop himself from letting his mask slip thus betraying his true identity as the blustering bully boy of CD.

But, here he is as a shining example of how not to behave on an open debating forum.

Watch as his lewd language progressively worsens and creeps into more and more of his 'raging rants'.

There's enough material in his diseased mind to fully occupy the agenda of a convention of psychologists/psychiatrists for a long weekend.

Side: Yes
1 point

I don't want power over other people, I have always owned firearms. You should differentiate between sporting firearms and firearms meant for war and killing as many people as possible in the shortest time.

The problem today is the propaganda spread by the NRA, Faux News, Trump and white supremacists/Nazis who want to make people believe they are in grave danger from their elected democratic government. This is still America ... for the time being, and little to fear from our government regardless of what the far right says. Guns don't kill people, people with attitudes, hate and agendas WITH guns kill people. There are many GOOD gun owners! The bad ones could cause us to ALL lose our guns, just what we DON'T need.

Side: No
Mingiwuwu(1446) Disputed
1 point

You should want to have power over someone who has power over you.

Side: Yes
pinnacle19(36) Disputed
2 points

You should want to have power over someone who has power over you.

Did you literally crawl out of the nearest jungle? We are supposed to be a civilised species. Your paranoia is not civilised.

Side: No
pinnacle19(36) Disputed
1 point

I don't want power over other people, I have always owned firearms. You should differentiate between sporting firearms and firearms meant for war and killing

You should probably understand that the people who invented guns did not have sport in mind. Unless you are talking about starter pistols then, to the best of my knowledge, no guns are manufactured purely for sport.

Guns don't kill people, people with attitudes, hate and agendas WITH guns kill people.

Yes, I agree it is a combination of the gun and the person. But this only strengthens my argument because you can't take the person away. Hence, you have to take the guns away.

Side: Yes
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

you can't take the person away

It’s true. Cops always try and judges always let the person come back. If only criminals could somehow be taken away, the gun issue would be almost a non-topic.

Side: No
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Authoritarians. Did you miss that in the heading of the post Crazy AL ?

1.

favoring complete obedience or subjection to authority as opposed to individual freedom:

authoritarian principles; authoritarian attitudes.

2.

of or relating to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state, centered either in one person or a small group that is not constitutionally accountable to the people.

3.

exercising complete or almost complete control over the will of another or of others:

an authoritarian parent.

Then the Crazy Progressive you are goes on a rant of blame !!!!!!!!! Never addressing what Authoritarian Rule really is.

Side: Yes

An authoritarian is someone who favors enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

How exactly does owning a gun enforce strict obedience to authority, and how does it take away personal freedoms?

Side: No

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight so since only authoritarians want firearms we should ban firearms for civilians and just let the authoritarian government have them? How does that work? This is why people who want to BAN guns are authoritarian. How can you ban guns without people who have guns to enforce it? You imbecile, the reason why you should have a firearm is so that other people CAN'T have power over YOU not so that you can have power over others. Because whether YOU have one or not there are other people that DO. Get it?

Side: No