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Debate Score:31
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Ended:09/04/15
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"There should not be any discrimination in professions":Do you agree

Yes

Side Score: 11
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No,I Don't

Side Score: 20
Winning Side!
2 points

There should not be any discrimination no matter what the subject or object. The more we discriminate the more we separate ourselves from each other and the reality that we need to learn to accept our differences and diversity.

Side: Yes
Stetson(39) Disputed
1 point

Well it is probably unlikely that there will be a day in the near future that we all get along despite diversity and difference, we're humans. The human race has adapted to different regions and environments that have molded and shaped their entire life. Culture, diet, skin color, body chemistry, physical features, and much more.

Prejudice still exists based on appearance, and the brain is naturally wired to discriminate for attractive faces. Religions conflict each other and has been the sole cause of most wars in human history. You cannot end discrimination because conflicting ideals still exists, and certain ideals cannot adopt the tolerance towards differences. So the only way you will ever get rid of discrimination is using discrimination to exclude those ideals out of society. Ironic? Very.

I also want to point out that there was never a time in human history where we did not discriminate each other, so there is nothing to separate us from. There wasn't some universal social tolerance standard at any point of the existence of life itself. So any progress we've made has only been getting better, but that is subjective.

Side: No,I Don't
DKCairns(868) Disputed
1 point

I hear what you are saying and what you say has some validity however your argument does not also mean that we should not try to attain what you appear to perceive as an impossible goal.

Side: Yes
1 point

What kind of discrimination are u talking about gender discrimination or any other

Side: Yes
Stetson(39) Disputed
1 point

Discrimination is a broad term that encompasses the use of all attributes of any single race, and you treat them differently because of it. If you read all my arguments on the right side, I'm sure I have given a stellar reason why there could be a profession that uses it for the greater good in saving lives. Therefore it falsifies the statement by allowing at least one profession the pardoned use of discrimination.

Side: No,I Don't

Sorry to always be the guy who goes to the dictionary for debates, but the definition of discrimination is: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

I think that because the word implies that the treatment is unjust, you're hard-pressed to give a good reason why this would be ok. It's fine to not give someone a job because of ability or their capacity to do the job. But if it's due to anything else or based of prejudice, that's not ok.

Side: Yes
Stetson(39) Disputed
2 points

Yeah, that's a pretty standard dictionary definition. Here is the problem though, unjust is subjective. To one society it might be fine while another think it is unjust, it all depends on your views that you were raised on or learned. In the case of the preservation of lives and rights, I see discrimination as an acceptable means for counter terrorism. That can encompass multiple professions; police, FBI, CIA, INTERPOL, NSA, MI6. At one point, all of these agencies have used prejudice to save lives and to protect the interests of their countries. If you agree, then you would falsify the statement that there shouldn't be any discrimination in professions by agreeing with the agencies use of it. It may not be moral, but I see it as necessary.

Side: No,I Don't
1 point

I don't think that (in an idealized world) you need to use racial profiling and prejudice to counter terrorism. Those who are terrorists are isolated people among large groups. Is it okay to stop white people and only white people at a location where a white man committed a murder once? I think that concept is ridiculous. And this question is about professions. Is it okay to not allow a Muslim to join the FBI because of 9/11? Because that to me seems extremely unjust.

You argue that just because prejudice has been used to save lives makes it okay. That's not true. The Nazi's advanced science an immense amount due to their ruthless human experiments, but that doesn't make Nazi Germany okay.

And just because it's happened, doesn't mean it's necessary. It's certainly possible to defend against terrorism in ways other than prejudice.

Side: Yes
Beowulf(1) Disputed
1 point

When you really get right down to it, isn't everything subject? There isn't one societal or cultural standard that is a universal law, and by that I mean as natural as gravity itself. So to a terrorist, what they are doing is surely just, but to others it's borderline evil, if not that. Of course I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but when someone states something is subjective when most of their moral standards are subjective, idk it seems faulty. And even if it is subjective, in an extremely broad scale do anyone go against such things that societies permeate. Rape is bad nearly everywhere you go, so is murder and abuse. And I use those examples because in each there's someone getting hurt, and whether it's a social or selfish cause, humans want to protect each other from such hurt. You say that discrimination can and has been used to great success of preventing and protecting such dangers, but what about those who are "wrongly" being discriminated against? There's no justifying to a person who is nearly or completely brutalized because of how they look. I think the fact that our soldiers go and take fathers and brothers and sons away from families is "unjust" but I would get completely crapped on for feeling that way towards our protectors. And there are civilians who use the same degree of discrimination that our legal/Gov. forces do. After a bombing by a Muslim should I get my rifle and antagonize middle eastern people in my neighborhood if I live near the incident? Some would say I have "just" cause for doing so. But truly it'd only be to protect my own ass, because fear is the strongest of things. And I feel there is a difference between "discrimination" and "profiling". The prefix "dis" is never used in a positive light, that's like saying sexism can be used for good. Again, profiling is more of the correct term. There's a difference between saying "we're looking for a tan lengthy fellow with such ad such features" and singling out suspicious people that might fit such a description and saying "oh no I don't hire black people except for cleanup duties, it's such a sore to see one in the office everyday". THAT is discrimination, whether it's just or not. Having someone authorities go after people who resemble someone they're after and hassle those people would also be subjective. The fact that it has your best interest at heart shows why you'd think it's okay, unless you were someone who were being as you put in a positive light "discriminated against". Again, better term, profiling. Looking for certain attributes differ from denying others because of their attributes.

Side: Yes

What I believe mates is that too much of emphasis is being laid on certain subjects with a view to better future career options and thereby creating a kind of neglect in other subjects;what happens is that people flock in giant numbers into one profession and certain professions see a lack of employees willin' to join

Side: Yes
Stetson(39) Disputed
1 point

I'm not sure where you have touched on the topic at hand.

Side: No,I Don't
1 point

Of course not, no discrimination should be allowed, not gender baised or race baised or anything. Everyone was created equal, end of story.

Side: Yes
Stetson(39) Disputed
1 point

Well, I would dispute that we weren't created equal, but that might go into religious debates that would be way off topic. But if you read any of my arguments for the use of discrimination as a detective, perhaps you then might reconsider your stance on the topic. If not, feel free to dispute what you see is missing.

Side: No,I Don't
kaiji154(12) Disputed
1 point

I have read some of your responses but I still feel the same, sure not everyone is exactly equal but we all have the same rights thus we are all equal in a way.

Side: Yes

Especially in the Sports profession that still discriminates by not having female baseball players or football players.

Side: Yes
3 points

It really all depends on how that discrimination is used. For example, police officers utilize it in areas where it is statistically likely for a crime to occur. We would be wasting tax payers dollars if we didn't put police officers in places where crime was likely to happen. Employers also discriminate employees based on their criminal record, and that is fair.

Of course using it in a way that that violates certain rights "unreasonably", that shouldn't be allowed.

Side: No,I Don't
Stetson(39) Clarified
3 points

Let me give an in depth example of how maybe a detective would effectively use discrimination in an investigation, therefore proving that discrimination is a viable and tolerable tool in certain professions. Keep in mind that all situations I propose are completely hypothetical and should not be compared to real life events that have occurred to keep the neutrality on the subject.

A German government building was bombed by Hindu extremists. Fearing another attack, detectives get to work on securing the countries important facilities and following up on suspected attacks. Camera footage shows a man with typical Hindu religious clothing entering a courthouse and blowing himself up. The country sets up a comprehensive surveillance network over the internet and cellular networks. They highlight suspected terrorists based on certain keywords; Praise Kartikeyah, bomb, bombs, ied, explosive, etc... They then follow up and put those suspected terrorists on a watche list looking for incriminating evidence that would lead them to being detained and questioned. All this prevents most preventable terrorist attacks from a specific and obvious threat utilizing technology, and discrimination, or in this case good police work.

Side: Yes
2 points

Discrimination in regards to what? And on the basis of what?

Discrimination is necessary for a functioning society (we discriminate, for example, between police and criminals, staff and customers, students and professors, etc.)

So to ask a question such as this is pretty pointless, unless one is seriously asking wether an utterly equal (with no form of any distinction in any field) society would be able to function. In which case, my response is a big, blubberingly fat: NO

Now, as someone else pointed out, discrimination is usually used to refer to treating people differently based on things such as gender, orientation, or race/ethnicty. In which case, I would say I generally oppose it, but this varies depending on what subject/situation we're talking about.

Side: No,I Don't
1 point

People will always be discriminatory regardless of laws or the sanctimonious bellowing of the self righteous. Claiming the moral high ground by quoting the noble sounding extracts of some literary academic who has never lived in the real world may sound good, but in reality such sweeping quotations belong in cloud cuckoo land. For instance some people have an opinion that fat people lack will power, have little self respect and therefore are unsuitable for employment, so they discriminate against fat people. Who's to say they're wrong? Many people may not wish to fly in an aircraft which is piloted by a swarthy skinned man with a bushy black beard, I certainly wouldn't. So in certain situations I, and many others, discriminate against those who may be from an ethnic group which sympathizes with Islamic terrorists. The police may prejudge a situation in which a black man is seen running down the street with a television under his arm after a black riot. By stopping him and asking for proof of purchase for the t.v, are they being discriminatory? Not so long ago prejudice/discrimination would have made people feel uncomfortable if a group of men,one of whom was carrying a briefcase and all of whom had heavy Northern Irish accents, walked into a crowded bar. Would they have been guilty of racial discrimination or just paying heed to their survival instinct alarm call? . Either consciously or subconsciously, everyone is discriminatory in their judgments, and they in turn are discriminated against. In employment situations all an employer has to do is make sure that all the right boxes of the anti racial and religious discrimination laws are ticked and he/she can discriminate away until their heart's content. Quite rightly too. All these stifling laws take away the employer's natural intuitive abilities when selecting a candidate for a vacant position, professional or not. People feel more comfortable and perform better in the workplace when working along side like minded people whom they feel they can trust. Anyone who denies this is a liar or an idiot. Not only is it right to be discriminatory in certain circumstances, it's absolutely vital.

Side: No,I Don't
1 point

Discrimination in adopting or entering into a profession is absolutely necessary. Digging a ditch with a shovel is not even a profession, but still requires discrimination to select people who have two arms. If you are trying to engage the services of a lawyer, you would rightly discriminate against anyone without a law degree. And So On. Discrimination in and of itself can be simply the criteria for choosing.

IMO Fairness is the actual idea being addressed on the OP. Yes unfairness should not normaly be used in selecting for professions. There are elements of unfairness that must yield to reason, as with the ditch digger.

Side: No,I Don't