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Debate Score:89
Arguments:58
Total Votes:90
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Thetruth: Is this guy a menace to CD?

I'm fed up with debates about other topics switching to a discussion about thetruth, I haven't actually engaged ina  proper debate or discussion with him so I wish to know what everyone is moaning about?

Is it just me or has the person changed from thetruth to thethinker? or are they one and the same? 

Yes

Side Score: 59
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No

Side Score: 30
4 points

Yes, he is a menace. I am guilty of changing the subject on a couple debates and I regret that... However, I'd like to make a couple points... Most of the time it is him that is actually doing it and others have a right to defend themselves. For example, Sunset posted a debate welcoming her sister to the site. TheThinker then went to that debate and attempted to smear me and Sunset when no one was talking about him at all. Also, he has banned me from several of his debates. After he banned me he continued to reply to me over and over again on those debates that he banned me on so there was no way for me to defend myself... very cowardly of course but I think I have a right to defend myself so I was forced to do it elsewhere.

Side: yes
TheThinker(1713) Disputed
0 points

I hope you tell Sunset because i am lazy to tell the same thing but im sorry for spamming on your "welcoming my sis" debate. I was wrong. ok.

I banned you from my debates because i had my opinions about you. We weren't going anywhere and from the very start your comments didn't even relate to the debate. You kept bringing up old issues that i didn't even want to talk about. And i did say that i didn't want to argue like this again. And i did tell you not to bring up certain topics.

Side: No
Hellno(17761) Disputed
1 point

I hope you tell Sunset because i am lazy to tell the same thing but im sorry for spamming on your "welcoming my sis" debate. I was wrong. ok.

That is one messed up sentence if that's what you want to call it.

I don't even know what to make of it?

I banned you from my debates because i had my opinions about you.

I don't mind you banning me but it was cowardly of you to continue replying to me when you knew I couldn't respond back.

And i did tell you not to bring up certain topics

When are you going to understand that you don't tell me what to do?

Side: yes
3 points

Yes it may be annoying to you but it's not to me.

First of all unless you enjoy raping woman and molesting children then it would bother you too. He is constantly talking about how good it is and how funny it is and was banned for it. He still comes back even after he was told to rephrase his questions and watch what he says, he is still doing it.

No one is trying to stop him from creating debates, what we are trying to stop is from him showing how much he likes it and harrassing people. He will go into all my debates, call me ignorant and then say you are wrong downvote. being downvoted does not bother me but if you are going to have a proper debate then stop being such an asshole and debate but don't follow me just to put on the reply that I am ignorant and more and think that I am not going to tell you off.

The fact of the matter is that unless you all see what the hell he is doing you will not understand but at the same time if there is a debate you don't like you can skip right over it and leave it alone. Again this is my thoughts.

Side: yes
3 points

Quite honestly I am tired of arguing with someone who is constantly doing this so as of today I will avoid any comments that come from this person. As long as they are not a direct insult to me!

Side: yes
2 points

Okay... please don't leave. You bring too much to the site and don't give him the satisfaction. I just wish we could get Billie back.

Side: yes
TheThinker(1713) Disputed
1 point

I was trying to avoid talking to you but i guess not. With all due respect...

You don't like my views and they do not agree with your moral views. But that does not mean that i deserve to be banned and prevented from creating more debates.

They were just views. And just because you found it nasty, doesn't mean it is.

You hate me for other reasons and i understand that. But with my debates and views alone, i didn't deserve to be banned. And you felt like i did deserve to be banned because i was grossing you out.

kind regards

Side: No
Sunset(2024) Disputed
2 points

are we really back on this shit ?

Side: yes
2 points

The Truth has mental issues, be careful if you call him, Astro Boy he will ban you LOL

Side: yes
1 point

He's a pain in the ass. Not to mention crazy. Menace? I guess you can call him that, considering all the times he's been banned from CD and still keeps making new profiles.

Side: yes
6 points

I don't think Thetruth90whatever is a menace per-say, he is as entitled as anyone to debate how he sees fit, just because the moral majority does not agree with him doesn't make him a menace, it makes him different.

What does make a particular debater a menace is following certain people around and getting involved in any debate and turning it into a bitch fight about the same bloody subject the whole time, which is something I've seen happen.

This site is about debate, it would be in my opinion breaking the rules to take one debate into a completely different one. Up until now I've never seen anyone court so my controversy. If someone is debating the wrong topic just ignore them, there is only victory for them if you respond, it's worse if you get your panties in a bunch.

I don't even think English is this guy's first language, and there maybe a lot lost in translation that could be seen as more sinister than intended.

Besides, is it not better to try tease out a particular persons logic on a particular topic and smash them in a good debate than to run away from them.

People, please stop taking this shit so seriously.

Side: No
Sunset(2024) Disputed
3 points

If there was logic to his debates there wouldn't be a problem. Like you said you have not encountered this person non sense and yes easy road is to keep moving but it is hard to do that when the freakin person stalks your page or replies to only you. Now I am down for any good debate whether it is a good one or a bad one but if you are going to constantly throw your nasty thoughts at me then you know what get ready for a verbal thrashing.

He has done this repeatedly on all of my debates as well as other debates I have answered. Just like you all say that we should just ignore it, then when you all see post that have to do with him and someone else then ignore it as well and that way we can all avoid another drama. And this isn't in any way an attack on you!

Side: yes
3 points

If there is no logic to his debates then attack that, (I know sometimes this is futile) I've dealt with a fair few unsavory characters on here and the best solution is to either ignore (and I know this is difficult), or stand them down, they eventually get tired.

It would be a shame for you to just leave, (I'd hate to see someone get the better of you, simply by sheer determination) as everyone's input is in my mind valid, I've learned a lot through this site, and one of those things is the variety of opinion that exists.

Side: yes
1 point

I'm sorry if I appeared to have intentions of blackening Thetruth's name but I'm fed up of going to debates and finding out they've turned into discussions about him.

Side: No

I didn't think it was your intention to blacken anyone's name my friend, I saw this debate as my turn to say something about this situation and hopefully others would read it.

I've seen those debates as well and I just move on or throw in my opinion.

Side: No

I agree with you. i do admit that i have been a menace on Sunset "welcome my sis" and try to ruin hellno2012's name but i was wrong and i truly regret that.

I am almost certain there were other times but i will make sure now not to make that mistake of commenting words that are not relevant to the debate or answering the debates question.

Side: No

Dude, if you let it go, I'm sure eventually they'll let it go, what is done is done and there is no point dwelling on it.

Side: No
2 points

I will make this short and clear....(maybe)

I think rape can be a good thing. Either it always children or adults. Notice that i am not saying that it is a good thing. An example i have is: What if someone raped adolf hitler as a child? It is possible that the trauma may have prevented the Holocaust. And in my opinion, i think that is a good thing.

I think everything is possible. So if you tell me that rape is always bad. I will respond, how can you be so sure. Maybe the Holocaust was a good thing. Honestly, i think it has because it showed how bad events can occur when power is in the wrong hands.

Rice said an important thing. I may not be in the moral group, but that does not make me an menance. It makes me different. And that is normal because everybody is different. I do agree that a menance is someone who comes to a debates and cause a stir that is not even related to the debates. (upvote to rice by the way). And that is how i felt when Hellno2012 would come to my debates and comment words that aren't related to the debate or answer the debate question. Recently, he came to my debate about "rape" and stated that i have been fantazing about raping someone. That is not even an answer to that debate and that would consider him a menance defined by rice.

When i created my new account TheThinker, this what happened:

I told Hellno2012 to stop talking about such things and if you read my comments in some of my debates, you will see that im telling the truth. He keeps bringing up child abuse in which i am afraid to speak because i don't want to be banned again.

Koda and I are arguing because i downvoted him and accused him of having two accounts. Yeah, i may be wrong but that doesn't give him the right to insult me. When someone is wrong, clearly and respectfully correct that person.

Merlin13 created a account to humiliate me...tho he never mentioned my name.

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I am not in Hellno, Sunset, Koda, Merlin and everybody else Moral Group. But does that give them a right to call me ignorant, sick, and demented? You should judge a person by their actions, not by their thoughts and views. If i truly fantasize about rape, does that make me wrong? No because fantasies are harmless.

However, i was wrong aswell to call Sunset ignorant and others ignorant just to satisfy myself. There are times when i truly think mostly everybody is ignorant. But what makes me wrong is the fact that i call people ignorant to satisfy myself. And there have been times when i went on a debate to satify my own anger to Hellno and Sunset. I went to her "welcome sis" debate and told her to "watch out for hellno" and that "he is a bad guy." I was wrong and your sister in law is smart enough to judge whether or not hellno is truly good or evil. But i am sorry and regret it.

Side: No
garry77777(1794) Disputed
3 points

I think rape can be a good thing

I disagree, the act itself is always extremely traumatic for the receiving party and can leave them deeply scarred mentally. This can never be considered a good thing by person who beleives they should not do onto others what they would not want to be done onto themselves, which should (and is) be the source of most peoples morals.

What if someone raped adolf hitler as a child? It is possible that the trauma may have prevented the Holocaust. And in my opinion, i think that is a good thing.

This argument makes no sense, you could equaly say that thr trauma would have caused him to commit even greater genocide, besidea if you have any real moral fibre you would wish such acts to performed on anyone, not your enemies or Hitler or anyone else, especially when they children, this shouldn't even need explaining.

I think everything is possible

Im sorry but its not, if you think it is try flying off a tall building, put your theory to the test my friend.

So if you tell me that rape is always bad

Yes i di because it is, there are no circumstances i can think of in which it would be a good thing, and i doubt you will be able to tell me of any.

how can you be so sure.

How can you be sure about anything, there is no absolute truth, in fact there are no absolutes period. Now this is some kind of neurotic behaviour (not raping others) instilled in people due to there culture, beleive me there ale plenty of those i would probably agree with you on if you mentioned them, but rape isnt one of them.

Maybe the Holocaust was a good thing. Honestly, i think it has because it showed how bad events can occur when power is in the wrong hands.

The Holocaust was not a good thing, there are plenty of examples of genocides and the savagery of human nature, and none of them can be called good things just becuase they demonstrated that side of human nature. Was the cambodia genocide by the Khmer Rouge also a good thing in your mind?

It makes me different.

Yes but different in a good way or a bad way, i to consider myself rather unlike your average guy but my views when expressed dont repulse people, what does that tell you?

And that is normal because everybody is different

Yes but is it really your desire to occupy that 1% tail of extreme weirdos on the normal distribution of human personalities.

He keeps bringing up child abuse in which i am afraid to speak because i don't want to be banned again.

Is that because you hold views on the issue that are contradictory to normal codes of moral conduct?

I am not in Hellno, Sunset, Koda, Merlin and everybody else Moral Group.

I am not in their group either but something tells me my morals are alot closer to thiers than yours.

But does that give them a right to call me ignorant, sick, and demented?

It depends, if you espouse views that would be considered by anyone to be ignorant, sick, and demented based on their own in built moral code (notice im saying it as nothing to do with societal norms), then yes.

You should judge a person by their actions, not by their thoughts and views.

Your entirely correct, and please dont think any of the comments i have left on this page are in anyway meant to judge you because they are not im just gieving you my oen views on some of your comments.

If i truly fantasize about rape, does that make me wrong?

No, everyone fantasises about rape whether they admit it or not, its one of our base animalistic desires, in built in our subconcious, and inherited from a more primitve form of man.

There are times when i truly think mostly everybody is ignorant

Eberybody is ignorant but to varying degrees

Side: yes
1 point

I must commend you Gary, for venturing outside of your typical debate topics.

Side: Yes
Hellno(17761) Disputed
1 point

You went on Joe's debate and the first thing you did was insult Sunset's answer... it had nothing to do with the debate. You are a hypocrite.

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Ever_since_I_decided_that_I_have_no_intention_of_living_forever_life_got_easier

You are also a liar. Take a look at Billie's page and you will see her last activity was her arguing with TheTruth94 on a young girl's debate about camera's and telephones. You can clearly see from Billie's comments to TheTruth what he was saying. He got banned right after this.

http://www.createdebate.com/user/viewprofile/Billie

I am willing to call a truce but I won't have you running around the site calling me a liar.

Side: yes
3 points

I'd say just let it go, I know it's hard, I'm quite vociferous when I want to be, I had a similar (but not as explosive) debate relationship with a troll called akubakar31 or something like that, where I wouldn't let it go, and in the end, I miss the Jihad loving motherfucker, I really do.

Side: yes
TheThinker(1713) Disputed
1 point

I honestly stand correct when talking about child abuse on that girl's debate. So i apologize.

Um, i don't see it as a bad thing to talk about rape in a little girl's debate. Is my words going to tramatize her? No.

I do admit that i was wrong to talk about things that aren't revelant to the debate.

Infact, she said that he she would use the pedophile example in her discussion at school. I seemed like i helped her out.

And correction about Sunset on Joe's debate. If you read carefully, i never insulted her. In fact, i said that was an ignorant statement. I never called her ignorant.

Side: No
92nida(1412) Disputed
1 point

You have your opinion that are a little different from others. In fact they different to an extent that you have been banned! Now... Your statements have been offensive and that cannot be changed cuz you defied the morality of things. According to you rape is good in circumstances so rare. It makes nothing better. The entire system looks at it in a way to say that it is wrong if it is a negative thing. And according to societal rules.. If there is sentimental or emotional perhaps human stability's decay it is bad. And any amount of good will not make it any better. Though what you explain does make sense but it is out of order and rare and not the first choice. I really suggest you accept the fact that you think differently but you have to abide by the rules that the majority have developed and the fact that things such as rapes are a hell of a trauma to few. So it cannot be a good thing. Your cases at=re so occasional and unasked but I wont say it is not a possibility. You just have to accept it and let it go. You can use all your wiseness in a level that suits all. Cuz it wont do any good. It's an advise.

Side: yes
2 points

He's only a menace if you want him to be. If you can't stand him you can just ignore him. No need to get emotional over one dude on the internet who says something you don't like.

Side: No

I have views that may not agree to your moral beliefs. Im sorry. I know now that you guys may not have outcasted me. But i sure felt like it when i read your words that stated: "sick" and "demented."

I am sensitive. I am immature.

My argument with Koda and Merlin13 with my new account were their fault. However, it was me who called Hellno initally a troll and ignorant. I guess i still hated him after being banned three times. And im sorry to Hellno about that. Tho, my actions doesn't excuse the fact that he initally started it with me on my "rape" debate. And other times as well.

Maybe i do need help. Maybe i am sick in the head. But i swear on my life that i will not hurt a human being sexually. Physically? Yes. I like pushing my friends and joking around with them. Sexually? no. hell no. I do believe in consent.

And i don't blame each and every one of you who believes that i will. If i saw someone talking about rape all the time...how can you not think that they might do something in the future, or had hurt someone?

All we can do is just to have trust.

Side: No