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Third Wave Feminism: The emasculation of men in contemporary society?

Feminism was introduced to promote equal rights and opportunities for men AND women where previously the latter had next to none. In that sense inequality between the way both sexes are treated and represented should be non-existent. However, is that really the case? Or has sexism actually become reversed?

Yes, it's true

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No of course not

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First wave feminism concerned itself with legalities (women's suffrage) The Second wave dealt more with domestic issues and the workplace. But what has the third wave brought? I fear there is an almost aggressive attitude towards women rights that verges on women being treated as superior to their male counterparts. Even down to traditional etiquette, some women seem to find it offensive when men behave in a chivalrous manner towards them. When it comes to the more serious issues of domestic violence, divorce, childcare and criminal behaviour, again it seems as though women are shielded from the harshest of treatment and can expect to receive greater support in tribulation in a way that a man cannot. Surely this isn't what the founders fought for?

Side: Yes, it's true
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I fear there is an almost aggressive attitude towards women rights that verges on women being treated as superior to their male counterparts. Even down to traditional etiquette, some women seem to find it offensive when men behave in a chivalrous manner towards them.

While you may find that with Radical Feminism, Socialist and Marxist Feminism and occasionally Eco-Feminism, you generally don't find that with Liberal Feminism, Cultural Feminism. While Radical Feminists (not referring to them as radical, I am simply using the term for that form of Feminism) tend to be the loudest, they are certainly not in the majority.

When it comes to the more serious issues of domestic violence, divorce, childcare and criminal behaviour, again it seems as though women are shielded from the harshest of treatment and can expect to receive greater support in tribulation in a way that a man cannot.

Some forms of feminism actually oppose that very situation you are referring to, though I admit others (such as Radical and Eco) support it.

and can expect to receive greater support in tribulation in a way that a man cannot.

Only in some very, very narrow circumstances. More often than not in our society, we are given greater deference over women. Many men become outraged when they look at the few examples in which women receive preferential treatment, to the point where they speak of them as if they are greater issues than the far more numerous examples where we receive the preferential treatment.

Surely this isn't what the founders fought for?

The Founder's fought for a land that would be ruled by white land owners. They did not believe that women should be able to vote, or be able to play much in the way of a significant role in our country's ruling, let alone receive something as basic as a decent education. So why don't we leave them out of it, shall we? :P

Side: No of course not
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GenericName covered a lot but just a little thing to add about your chivalry point.

Even down to traditional etiquette, some women seem to find it offensive when men behave in a chivalrous manner towards them.

The thing is... yes, that is offensive. That's not to say being polite is bad thing, but if men are only chivalrous to women, that is offensive. If you only hold the door open to women, or you say that you only have to be polite to women, that is not equality. Either you need to be 'chivalrous' to everyone, or treat everyone without prejudice. Women aren't some other species that need to be treated differently.

Side: No of course not

Indeed, the entire concept of "Courtly Chivalry" (as opposed to the other forms of Chivalry) is based on the idea that women are weak, vulnerable, and in need of protection and saving. It is an incredibly dismissive concept. Instead of behaving "in a chivalrous manner", one should behave respectfully to women, as they should to everyone. The concept of a separate social code for women is understandably offensive to many women, though I feel it is necessary to point out that there are forms of feminism that are not opposed to it.

Side: No of course not
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Nature has made woman inferior both physically and intellectually. Of course there are exceptions, but when one considers the inventions and discoveries which contribute to the advancement and welfare of mankind one realizes that almost every one was made by the male of the species. In the main females are incapable of properly fulfilling jobs such as mining, construction work, shipbuilding, heavy engineering and so forth. As hands on, '' on the beat'' police officers they are disastrous and retard their male colleague's ability to carry out his duties as efficiently as they could with another male officer, and in many instances represent a danger to themselves and their male comrades. Woman perform best when they are treated like gongs and struck at regular intervals, especially at meal times. To pass legislation which attempts to artificially create an unnatural equilibrium between the two genders is to foolishly flout the laws of nature.

Side: Yes, it's true
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Nature has made woman inferior both physically

For some tasks yes, for others no. Men are inferior at child bearing, women are inferior at hand to hand combat.

and intellectually

Unsubstantiated sexism, of course.

Of course there are exceptions, but when one considers the inventions and discoveries which contribute to the advancement and welfare of mankind one realizes that almost every one was made by the male of the species.

Of course they were, women were prevented from so much as receiving an education. Pointing to past sexism to justify present sexism is nonsensical.

In the main females are incapable of properly fulfilling jobs such as mining

Not true.

construction work

Not true.

shipbuilding

Not true.

heavy engineering

Not true.

and so forth

And so forth.

As hands on, '' on the beat'' police officers they are disastrous and retard their male colleague's ability to carry out his duties as efficiently as they could with another male officer, and in many instances represent a danger to themselves and their male comrades.

Why don't we have some fun: Can you in any way, shape, or form substantiate that claim with anything other than person conjecture?

Woman perform best when they are treated like gongs and struck at regular intervals, especially at meal times.

I am ashamed it took me this long to remember that you are a troll.

Side: No of course not
liri(1) Disputed
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Well at least you're funny. And if you are actually taking yourself seriously, I understand, everyone likes to feel special.

Side: No of course not

Feminism was introduced to promote equal rights and opportunities for men AND women where previously the latter had next to none.

First and Second wave feminism came about to change the position of women in society to one where of more equal footing with men, something that still is not completely the case.

In that sense inequality between the way both sexes are treated and represented should be non-existent.

If they had completely succeeded, then you would be right. Seeing as how they did not succeed, said inequality still definitely exists.

However, is that really the case? Or has sexism actually become reversed?

I do not understand how sexism could be reversed, as it has always applied to both sexes.

Side: No of course not