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Thoughts on Young Adult 'YouTube' Political Activists?

Thoughts on Young Adult 'YouTube' Political Activists?

In recent years, we have seen an increasing rise in young adult "YouTube' socio-political activists/journalists that typically discuss an enormous range of issues. Now, here are the main questions; At that age, is this sensible or problematic? Does it vary from person to person based on individual maturity level?

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Thoughts on Young Adult 'YouTube' Political Activists?

In recent years, we have seen an increasing rise in young adult "YouTube' socio-political activists/journalists that typically discuss an enormous range of issues. Now, here are the main questions; At that age, is this sensible or problematic? Does it vary from person to person based on individual maturity level?

To be clear, the age group I am most focusing in on is teenager through mid twenties--which could be expanded to all of the twenties (though, a bit more lightly for 'late-twenties'). The argument, as I see it, is that such (relatively) young people necessarily could not have amassed much knowledge through learning and/or life experience as compared to their older counterparts that have been 'training' for many years and whos ideas are much more grounded. Also, to be clear, I am discussing people who engage with a very wide range subjects voluntarily, rather than a person who has been 'pulled' into the conversation and sticks to that particular issue (e.g. returning war veteran, Lindsay Shephard, etc. etc.). People who speak publicly, with authority, on a very broad range of issues are in some sense presenting themselves as a 'sage'. Now, of course, anyone is capable of drastically overestimating their abilities, and simply aging does not make one wiser in-it-of-itself; rather, it supplies people with the requisite time to carry out more extensive training and learn 'life lessons' if they apply themselves--of which the young necessarily do not have. It seems, like Anakyn Skywalker, some of these young have gotten a taste of still developing, though underdeveloped, abilities--and have become 'drunk' by it; drastically overestimating their current abilities. Would it not be wiser for the young to be patient, get their footing, build a solid base (or, even possibly more), and then, after some time, become assertive with their views?

There are plenty of examples of this I can mention, if needed/requested.

Thoughts?

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cruzaders(341) Clarified
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Very good topic!!! I'm right in the middle of it since I'm in university!

There is a good side and a bad side to this, the good side is that it gets young people to interest themselves in politics, when more and more people stop voting because they dont care, as you said those people dont have the experience and knowledge to discuss of such a large pannel of issues, so most of the time what they say isnt worth much, wich isnt that bad because as soon as they try to have a real conversation with an adult or another "educated" young adult they are quickly shown that teir ideas are immature and need more refining, wich pushes them to learn more about the issues and sometimes change their minds

But the downside is even more important and I'm experiencing it right now: in a university right next to mine there are many marxist/communist youtubers and with the help of their fans (about 200) they have blocked the university (by beating upp teachers and students, stacking tables in front of doors etc) and will not stop unless the administration gives in to their demands: more vacation, easier tests, and the minimum grade of 18/20 for everyone on their finals. This situation has been going on for about a month so I'm assembling a group a tough guys and contacting extreme right activists to "liberate" the university

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Half of them dont even know what the fuck they are talking about. And then they get triggered when someone leaves a hate comment.

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@American boy

I certainly understand and appreciate your perspective.

Now, on particular issues for which they do have requisite knowledge and/or experience--that it is perfectly sensible in my mind, and is to be encouraged. However, a wave of people in their low to mid twenties (or even teenagers) presenting themselves as sages to the world I view to be extremely naïve, if not the type of high-level arrogance that inevitably leads to self-delusion. I have long thought this, though have recently seen Jordan Peterson make a similar case, articulated well. Further, now that I am a bit older myself (though, still firmly in the age range I am discussing), has hardened my stance.

Here is one such video by Jordan Peterson with his view on the topic:

(A) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x3hFZx1 VU

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In the following videos, this is a perfect allegorical representation of what I view to be happening (though, of course, not everyone is nearly as skilled as Anakin either):

(A) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYw5KWTe15I

(B ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYT3ctPuVRw

(C) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5BTKoXRRA

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That’s great! That’s a good way to put it........................................

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LMMFAO ! Better get the age up because a 39 year old female Iranian shot the place up and guess what the Muslim was a Vegan and a PETA supporter so what is to be done ? By the way were is the cry for Gun Control from the Wack Jobs on the Left ??

If it wasn't for Double Standards where would the Progressives have to stand ??????????

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@Outlaw

Thanks for your contribution here.

As for the topic, yes I agree that acts such as that are essentially independent of political and/or religious affiliation (or lack thereof). I would say, younger people tend to be more susceptible to this kind 'murder & suicide' kind of behavior--though, of course, anyone could potentially engage in it given the right (or rather, wrong) mixture of factors.

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Thoughts on Young Adult 'YouTube' Political Activists?

In recent years, we have seen an increasing rise in young adult "YouTube' socio-political activists/journalists that typically discuss an enormous range of issues. Now, here are the main questions; At that age, is this sensible or problematic? Does it vary from person to person based on individual maturity level?

To be clear, the age group I am most focusing in on is teenager through mid twenties--which could be expanded to all of the twenties (though, a bit more lightly for 'late-twenties'). The argument, as I see it, is that such (relatively) young people necessarily could not have amassed much knowledge through learning and/or life experience as compared to their older counterparts that have been 'training' for many years and whos ideas are much more grounded. Also, to be clear, I am discussing people who engage with a very wide range subjects voluntarily, rather than a person who has been 'pulled' into the conversation and sticks to that particular issue (e.g. returning war veteran, Lindsay Shephard, etc. etc.). People who speak publicly, with authority, on a very broad range of issues are in some sense presenting themselves as a 'sage'. Now, of course, anyone is capable of drastically overestimating their abilities, and simply aging does not make one wiser in-it-of-itself; rather, it supplies people with the requisite time to carry out more extensive training and learn 'life lessons' if they apply themselves--of which the young necessarily do not have. It seems, like Anakyn Skywalker, some of these young have gotten a taste of still developing, though underdeveloped, abilities--and have become 'drunk' by it; drastically overestimating their current abilities. Would it not be wiser for the young to be patient, get their footing, build a solid base (or, even possibly more), and then, after some time, become assertive with their views?

There are plenty of examples of this I can mention, if needed/requested.

Thoughts?

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Examples please.

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xMathFanx(1737) Clarified
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@WinstonC

I can go into more detail if need be, but quickly--I am discussing people like Lauren Southern, Roaming Millennial, Hogg, etc. etc. vs. older more mature counterparts such as Molyneux, Harris, Chomsky, etc. etc.

Also, I would add going public with matters such as this is hardly a trivial decision. It will have consequences, positive and/or negative, for the rest of a persons life; influencing their ability (or lack of ability) to get hired, amongst many other things.

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The interent is comparable to the Wild Wild West and people can say and do pretty much anything they want. If you don't like what they have to say then don't read or watch or subscribe to what they're doing.

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outlaw60(15375) Disputed
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Do what Diaper Boy ? You are aware a 39 year old female Iranian who was a Vegan and a PETA supporter went on a shooting spree there at youtube ?

Interestingly enough i have not heard one word about Gun Control from the Wacko Progressives and why is that ????????????

Not Narrative friendly for the Left ?????????

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Grenache(6103) Disputed
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Debate up top is about young people. Your example is a 39 year old. Which means either you’re a wrinkled old fart who thinks 39 is practically a child or your example proves absolutely nothing.

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I don't really see much of an issue here. Sure, they don't have as much experience, but that doesn't mean their opinions shouldn't be spoken.

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As long as they moderate their views and steel-man the opposition they will be fine. If they act as if they know everything and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot then they will create problems for themselves later. They will either have to continue spreading ideas that they know to be false or will have to publicly admit that the opposition they smugly dismissed was actually correct, and that their activism was part of the problem.

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xMathFanx(1737) Clarified
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@WinstonC

If they act as if they know everything and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot then they will create problems for themselves later.

This is exactly what I mean with my statement 'Anakin Skywalker'. I have posted videos in reference to it in another post, please consider watching.

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Of course, however, the ability for the 'average' citizen to be empowered is a very good thing, in my view. Many 'average' people have (some) good ideas that are worth sharing. I just think the young should exercise more patience, and thus wisdom/maturity before asserting their views strongly--which I encourage; when they are a bit older (i.e. do not rush into it)

To be clear, it is not that I think they should be barred from speaking, rather that they should be advised against it--except for the special cases I named or a rare type of person. More than anything, I think it is self-destructive for (most of) these people, even though they are not currently aware of it--much like for Hogg, actually (again, I am speaking strictly about going public with their (current) convictions, on a number of topics). Of course, there will always be a rare 'Harry Potter'-type; that is, a child who's spark shines so brightly they excel even in the 'adult world'. However, even for many quite talented youth, rushing into deep waters before they have fully mastered 'basic swimming techniques' proves damaging--longer term. For instance, you see this all the time in Hollywood with child actors, and elsewhere.

Also, this is essentially my view for University and such as well. That is, if a person particularly highly excels at a topic--by all means, go straight into it. However, for most (as in, the overwhelming majority), the path I have discussed previously on DTT I think is the best option (even if you are 'pretty good').

Basically, I think 'Star Wars' more or less got it right. These are Padawan learners, and should be recognized and treated as such. One (significant) problem is, there simply are not that many reasonably strong people to discuss such issues (at least, who have went public)--so when more qualified 'Jedi' see them about, they are generally just happy to see others 'joining the fight'--and thus, do not 'put them in their place', which may actually be much more helpful. Note, this is standard procedure in Academia/University system (at least in STEM, that is); and it is set up that way for the health & stability of the system as well as the student themselves. For one (amongst other reasons), if one is never firmly 'put in their place', then there is no real incentive to keep growing, or view of a superior model to strive toward. Also, one will likely become to 'flashy', over-confident, deluded even, with stunted growth & potential. Then, if one rushes into a competitive arena way before they are ready, they may get stomped too hard, which could cripple potential growth as well.

Again, I agree with what you said, people certainly should have the understanding of who they are listening to, and weigh it accordingly, as well as judge ideas based on how sound (or unsound) they may be--rather than the person. Really, I am more concerned about the proper development of the people themselves, which ultimately contributes to the health of society at large.

I can give more exact examples of what I mean, invoking people, but this post has already been quite sizeable, and I will end it here for now.

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WinstonC(1226) Clarified
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"I just think the young should exercise more patience, and thus wisdom/maturity before asserting their views strongly--which I encourage; when they are a bit older (i.e. do not rush into it) "

Agreed, though when I was 18 I was doing the same thing. Also, while I council moderation, young political activists (including myself in the past) are anything but moderate.

"rushing into deep waters before they have fully mastered 'basic swimming techniques' proves damaging--longer term."

Agreed, especially in terms of ego and narcissism, it also can destroy their reputation if they attempt to do more activism later.

"One (significant) problem is, there simply are not that many reasonably strong people to discuss such issues (at least, who have went public)--so when more qualified 'Jedi' see them about, they are generally just happy to see others 'joining the fight'--and thus, do not 'put them in their place', which may actually be much more helpful."

I agree, though I do see this criticism happen to some extent, the problem is that when the criticism is made publicly it comes across as "punching down".

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To start I'll say I wouldn't feel right trying to silence their voice as they are just starting to practice it. But there are some things I would want to really look and take into consideration while watching a young adult political activist.

Is someone pulling their strings? Where are they getting this information? Are they being fed it through another political group or parent? Basically is their voice and information their own?

While I "may" watch one, I certainly wouldn't think what they are saying is the God's honest truth and would have to take their opinion with a heaping tablespoon of salt. After a while, if it seems like they are well informed and educated, I may trust their source with a little less suspicion. Basically at first I would trust their agenda less than I would a more reputable and independent news source.

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xMathFanx(1737) Clarified
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@Mint

To start I'll say I wouldn't feel right trying to silence their voice as they are just starting to practice it.

I may have stated my description in an unclear manner, which is my fault. The idea being promoted is not to bar speech from these younger people, but to advise against it--for their own good. Ultimately, that would be for the best of society at large as well, in my view. In other posts on this thread, I have went into further detail as to why I maintain this position.

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Mint_tea(4000) Clarified
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Lol, as having once been a young person...many moons ago....I can say without doubt that advising against something would only encourage them to charge in full throttle. Sometimes the best we can do is not to block the path but to guide them down it. That's just my opinion though.

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