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Debate Score:36
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Time to face it Atheists. Faith helps healing... Lack of it? Does not.

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2 points

Faith helps healing? OBVIOUSLY! Even if that faith is misplaced, it gives you hope, courage, and something to fight for! If there was a person, who lost everything they had, which is the better reaction? "Well, I know this is hard, but I believe God has a plan to turn this for good, and if I just keep believing, it will end well." OR? "I have lost everything I cared for, and it looks like nothing will ever come back! I might as well just die now!"

Its fairly obvious that faith, even misplaced faith, can help you keep going in hard times.

Side: Yep

All I have to do is look at what it is like in atheist countries, like N. Korea. Wherever you remove God from the equation, misery and death follow. In fact, you cannot point to one societal ill, that is the result of human agents, that is not contrary to what Jesus taught us.

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seanB(950) Disputed
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Misery and death follow plenty of people who have fervent belief in God. Misery and death don't discriminate between the faithful and the unfaithful. The story of Job should tell you that your God doesn't give a shit about the happiness of the faithful, any more than he gives a shit about the misery of the atheist.

If you look at the most oppressed nations in the world, nearly all of them are theocracies, including North Korea. The difference between Afghanistan and Yemen, as opposed to North Korea, isn't all that significant: in Afghanistan the "God" is the God of the Koran, and the imams are the worldly representatives. In North Korea, the God is the eternal president Kim Il Sung, and his grandson Kim Jong Un is the worldly representative.

It's a religion very much like your own, or indeed that of Islamic nations. All have a central supernatural authority figure (the eternal president, the Son of God, the blessed Prophet Mohammed); a didactic form of lawgiving; the threat of eternal punishment for dissent; a fabricated common enemy; a brutal punishment structure; the concept of thought crime; an inherent teaching of the inferiority of the common man; an obsession with sexual restrictions; and an undemocratic system of authority.

You can't be an atheist when you believe the Eternal President of North Korea to be a god.

Try again, moron.

Side: Nope
1 point

----Misery and death follow plenty of people who have fervent belief in God. Misery and death don't discriminate between the faithful and the unfaithful----

True. But of course this is the same claim as the Bible. And the main point? Atheists never claim to "get the miracle".

Side: Yep
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What makes you so obsessed about it being a result of human action, anyway?

(Not implying in the slightest that I have agreed to anything you've said.)

Side: Nope
2 points

Because secular socieities have no concept of any objective morality, thus cannot be shamed or hounded by their conscience as a group. Thus, anything goes, and you have no objective authority to tell them "no". All they have to say is that they don't agree that anything Democratic or free has any value. Whereas anyone in a Christian nation could always appeal to the "higher authority" or the "conscience of Christianity" to plead their cause.

Side: Yep
excon(18261) Disputed
0 points

Hello Mr:

It's bad in North Korea BECAUSE they're atheists?????? Dude!!!

excon

Side: Nope
1 point

No secular society on Earth is democratic or free. They always turn into totalitarian dictatorships where the government controls speech, educational indoctrination, and government propaganda. They are not bound by any conscience to a "higher power". They are only bound to whatever their own opinions are, which are only self serving.

Side: Yep

And.... what got these people healed? Having faith got these people healed.

Side: Yep
PhoenixHero(54) Disputed
1 point

I didn't say that. The argument is not, faith automatically heals you. It's faith helps healing. And my example already showed that it does. Next time, read the question, AND my answer before arguing.

Side: Nope
1 point

Oh? Well come give me a make-up hug Phoenix. _----------------

Side: Yep
1 point

Many studies have shown prayer works at the exact same rate as chance; less when the person knows they're being prayed for.

Side: Nope
PhoenixHero(54) Disputed
1 point

Could you show me these studies? I have always been interested in this subject, and I have never seen something like that.

Side: Yep
sylynn(626) Disputed
1 point

I'll encourage you to search them, but I'll provide at least one

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

Side: Nope
1 point

Hello bront:

Faith could HELP healing because of the placebo effect. It could also KILL because people believe faith is all they need... It's OK to lack faith, as long as you don't lack medicine.

excon

Side: Nope

Even if i grant this is true it has nothing to do with atheism. Youre conflating the will to live and optimism with religious faith. Even your video is an example of the placebo effect which is a well known phenomena. Yet youre acting like this is validation of religious faith being correct.

And there was a study done years ago which tested prayers efficacy. The people that were prayed for and didnt know it had no effect on thier health while those who were prayed for and knew they were being prayed for actually had lower quality of recovery.

Side: Nope

There's another one, called Nocebo effect.

If it has to prove a faith, it proves New Age mysticism more than anything.

Side: Nope
1 point

Nocebo doesn't help the atheist cause on this issue. Having no faith and believing you will die or get sick- actually makes you die or get sicker proves my point.

Side: Yep
1 point

And it proves mysticism more than it proves anything else, if not atheism.

It does prove atheism, but that's not needed right now. You aren't a mysticist, after all.

Side: Nope
0 points

Funny, that's what Muslim suicide bombers believe when they come to blow you infidels up. And yet you hate them for it and think they're idiots.

Side: Nope
1 point

Aaaaah. A false dichotomy comparing 2 things as "being the same" because they share a common characteristic, mixed with some ad hominem to avoid answering the topic at hand.

Example: Liberals shouted slogans. Nazis shouted slogans.Therefore Liberals are Nazis. And you once shouted a slogan, thus you are a Nazi too. And...because you are obviously a Nazi, your claim must be invalid.

Side: Yep
Grenache(6053) Disputed Banned
1 point

Nope. Your debate was "faith works". The analogous argument to faith works in your statement is "shouting slogans works", NOT one group shouting slogans is identical to another group shouting slogans.

Side: Nope