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A) Sex. I don't think you'll enjoy it much when you're on fire with your genitals burnt off.
B) Desire. Oh you bet there's desire: only to get OUT of Hell.
C) Science. According to theologicians and scientists, Hell is supposedly averaged around 750 degrees celcius, but there are different degrees in Hell.
D) You probably won't have anything to be greedy over in Hell... and you have everything in Heaven.
E) Knowledge. Yes, you have the knowledge you did on earth, plus the knowledge that you never will get out of Hell.
A) God. Seriously, what DON'T you like about him?
B) Christians. I think Demons are worse.
C) Church. Well, Heaven's a little different....
D) Singing. If you COULD sing, would you?
E) Facial Hair. I'll tell you one thing; you certainly won't have it in Hell.
If you're in Hell, what sins could you possibly commit?
Ya I'd rather go to heaven rather than burning my ... in hell. But for real in heaven you would always be happy, no death, no pain, nothing but joy and you'll always be with God. Sounds a little corny but there is nothing corny about it, what else would you expect paradise to be?
I don't think you'll enjoy it much when you're on fire with your genitals burnt off.
I should prefer an eternity of pain and suffering to an eternity of subservience to your evil, murderous God.
Oh you bet there's desire: only to get OUT of Hell.
As I said, I would prefer Hell to your nimbus prison.
According to theologicians and scientists, Hell is supposedly averaged around 750 degrees celcius
That is an outright fabrication. Theologians have no evidence upon which to base this claim; scientists have nothing to test.
You probably won't have anything to be greedy over in Hell
I do not understand your grammar. Please reiterate.
and you have everything in Heaven.
Curious that your primary motivation to follow Christian teachings is the promise of having your every desire fulfilled. Such a reward seems antithetical to your professed beliefs.
Knowledge. Yes, you have the knowledge you did on earth
I have nothing to be ashamed of. The sin for which I shall allegedly suffer is that of refusing to submit to a fictitious God who is responsible for genocide, murder, oppression and negligence. If anything, He should be in this "hell".
God. Seriously, what DON'T you like about him?
To reiterate; genocide, murder, oppression and negligence. Examples include the murder of every first born son of Egypt, guilty or otherwise; the complete annihilation of all life on Earth with the exception of two from each species; the advocacy of slavery (Leviticus 25:45"Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."), the condemnation of every non-Christian to an eternity of suffering for any unconfessed sin and finally the callous refusal to intervene in deplorable world events. Naturally, I don't believe he exists, but if He did then the above would be my quarrels with Him.
Christians. I think Demons are worse.
From what I have seen in history, there is little distinction to be made betwixt them.
Church. Well, Heaven's a little different.
Presumably one massive church.
inging. If you COULD sing, would you?
No.
Facial Hair. I'll tell you one thing; you certainly won't have it in Hell.
A redundant statement.
If you're in Hell, what sins could you possibly commit?
That depends upon what hell is. There is no universally accepted image.
I should prefer an eternity of pain and suffering to an eternity of subservience to your evil, murderous God.
And the devil isn't?
As I said, I would prefer Hell to your nimbus prison.
ROFL, aight so you would choose hell because???? The fact that God is real, should already change your mind.
That is an outright fabrication. Theologians have no evidence upon which to base this claim; scientists have nothing to test.
You didn't read the book? it was in the bible.
I do not understand your grammar. Please reiterate.
Maybe you should read inbetween the the lines
Curious that your primary motivation to follow Christian teachings is the promise of having your every desire fulfilled. Such a reward seems antithetical to your professed beliefs.
Obviously you want eternal torment, but other people like other things. Ya' know?
To reiterate; genocide, murder, oppression and negligence. Examples include the murder of every first born son of Egypt, guilty or otherwise; the complete annihilation of all life on Earth with the exception of two from each species; the advocacy of slavery (Leviticus 25:45 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."), the condemnation of every non-Christian to an eternity of suffering for any unconfessed sin and finally the callous refusal to intervene in deplorable world events. Naturally, I don't believe he exists, but if He did then the above would be my quarrels with Him.
The fact that you spend so much time searching and researching proves that you do believe in God and that you just do not like Him.
From what I have seen in history, there is little distinction to be made betwixt them.
You just proved that you believe in Demons! because otherwise you couldn't compare them to something real, like Christians.
Presumably one massive church.
And you will be in one massive hell
No.
You would probably be forced to sing in hell anyways,
A redundant statement.
Because it's true or you don't have anything to say. Which one?
That depends upon what hell is. There is no universally accepted image.
A hell where torment is the only thing you feel for eternity. Being uncormfortable.
By my count, he has only killed 10 people; at God's command.
ROFL, aight so you would choose hell because?
I have outlined a list of reasons.
The fact that God is real, should already change your mind.
The fact that leprechauns are real behoves us to lock away our gold.
You didn't read the book?
I have read the Bible. I then requested that it be listed under fiction in my local Library.
it was in the bible
No it wasn't.
Maybe you should read inbetween the the lines
I have subjected your statement to rigorous poetic and metaphorical analysis; nothing.
Obviously you want eternal torment, but other people like other things. Ya' know?
Please refute the point; why do you want eternal pleasure if gluttony and opulence are sins?
The fact that you spend so much time searching and researching proves that you do believe in God and that you just do not like Him.
No, it means I know what I am talking about, whereas you do not.
You just proved that you believe in Demons!
No, I did not.
because otherwise you couldn't compare them to something real, like Christians.
I can compare you to a mystical creature which speaks nothing but lunacy, but that does not posit belief in it.
And you will be in one massive hell
Another redundant statement.
You would probably be forced to sing in hell anyways,
I am quaking in my boots.
Because it's true or you don't have anything to say.
Neither. As I have expressed a hatred of facial hair, it is implied that I believe the fictional realm of Hell to be a place wherein there is none. It is therefore pointless to point it out to me.
A hell where torment is the only thing you feel for eternity.
I cannot stand to be in church for one hour, eternity in it would be far worse than pain.
Being uncormfortable.
If you meant uncomfortable, then I am unmoved. I am uncomfortable when sitting in plastic chairs, which I do for approximately 6 hours for five days of the week.
I should prefer an eternity of pain and suffering to an eternity of subservience to your evil, murderous God.
If God is (according to you) 'evil and murderous', then so is a judge, police officer, and anyone connected with law.
As I said, I would prefer Hell to your nimbus prison.
I doubt you'll be saying that after you die.
That is an outright fabrication. Theologians have no evidence upon which to base this claim; scientists have nothing to test.
They have the claims of those who have gone there, what they saw and felt, and the description.
I do not understand your grammar. Please reiterate.
You, as in the person I am speaking/typing to, won't have any possesions. How can you be greedy, if you like everybody else there don't HAVE anything?
Curious that your primary motivation to follow Christian teachings is the promise of having your every desire fulfilled. Such a reward seems antithetical to your professed beliefs.
You know as well as I do that the desires indicated are not those that are sinful.
I have nothing to be ashamed of. The sin for which I shall allegedly suffer is that of refusing to submit to a fictitious God who is responsible for genocide, murder, oppression and negligence. If anything, He should be in this "hell".
Murder? Give me an example (in context, obviously). Genocide? Well, genocide against demons, yes. But then again, you aren't seriously standing up for something that WANTS to hurt you? Oppression? Last I checked God wasn't forcing people to follow him. Negligence? In what way(s)?
Examples include the murder of every first born son of Egypt, guilty or otherwise;
You do realise Moses gave more than enough warnings...
the complete annihilation of all life on Earth with the exception of two from each species;
Do you actually know what God was getting rid of with the flood?
the advocacy of slavery First of all, he's not advocating slavery; he's telling the jewish tribes what they are allowed to do with their captured enemies. We aren't in the desert, or part of jewish tribes, and we don't even have the enemies God talks about in this passage. So if this doesn't apply to us now, where shall we look to? Well, I know that the New Testament does...
the condemnation of every non-Christian to an eternity of suffering for any unconfessed sin and finally the callous refusal to intervene in deplorable world events.
First of all, the condemnation is for everyone to repent their sins so that they are truly sorry. If you aren't sorry for committing murder, athiest or not, you cannot enter heaven.
If God interfered in world events then that would make him more oppressive because He created us NOT to serve as puppets, but so that we can choose how to live our lives.
From what I have seen in history, there is little distinction to be made betwixt them.
Then you can't have seen much of history (or Hell) for that matter.
Presumably one massive church.
Or city of life.
A redundant statement.
Do you know what happens when hair meets fire?
That depends upon what hell is. There is no universally accepted image.
But Hell is portrayed as a nasty place nonetheless, and Heaven a wonderful place.
If God is (according to you) 'evil and murderous', then so is a judge, police officer, and anyone connected with law.
Judges do not condemn thousands of innocent people to death on account of one man's recalcitrance.
I doubt you'll be saying that after you die.
I very much doubt that I shall say anything at all at such a time, being dead.
They have the claims of those who have gone there, what they saw and felt, and the description.
Sent a massive drill-vehicle did they? Or are you referring to people who had near-death experiences after consuming copious amounts of drugs?
You, as in the person I am speaking/typing to, won't have any possesions. How can you be greedy, if you like everybody else there don't HAVE anything?
Greed is useless if you have everything.
You know as well as I do that the desires indicated are not those that are sinful.
Opulence and mundane pleasures are quite explicitly condemned in the Bible; that book you have never actually read.
Murder? Give me an example (in context, obviously).
I believe he killed a great many of the Jews when they started worshipping statues. He was also accessory to murder when he ordered Satan to kill Job's children.
Genocide? Well, genocide against demons, yes.
I imagine Hitler called the Jews demons. As for God, consider the conquest of Canaan, in which God ordered the Hebrews to completely exterminate the Canaanite people.
Last I checked God wasn't forcing people to follow him.
Just punishing those who do not with eternal punishment? Sounds like force to me.
Negligence? In what way(s)?
A loving father would not stand to see his children starve.
You do realise Moses gave more than enough warnings...
No defence at all. Akin to saying "I did warn her that I was going to rape her if she didn't debase herself" in a court of law.
Do you actually know what God was getting rid of with the flood?
One does not flood one's house to kill a spider within it.
First of all, he's not advocating slavery; he's telling the jewish tribes what they are allowed to do with their captured enemies.
He is unequivocally promoting slavery.
Then you can't have seen much of history (or Hell) for that matter.
The Troubles.
The Crusades.
The extermination of South-American peoples.
The massacre of French Jesuits.
The German religious wars betwixt Lutherans and Papists.
Judges do not condemn thousands of innocent people to death on account of one man's recalcitrance.
By this you're refering to...?
I very much doubt that I shall say anything at all at such a time, being dead.
I thought you'd say that. I though we were 'pretending' that Christianity was real?
Sent a massive drill-vehicle did they? Or are you referring to people who had near-death experiences after consuming copious amounts of drugs?
Near death experiences without the use of drugs.
and no the didn't send a massive drill-vehicle, but I'm sure that you know that a person's claims are recorded.
Greed is useless if you have everything.
Exactly. Therefore greed only exists on earth, and in both Heaven and Hell there is a lack of greed.
Opulence and mundane pleasures are quite explicitly condemned in the Bible; that book you have never actually read.
Haha that's a good one!
I believe he killed a great many of the Jews when they started worshipping statues. He was also accessory to murder when he ordered Satan to kill Job's children.
Was this before or after the death of Jesus Christ? You know, when people were able to be forgiven?
A loving father would not stand to see his children starve.
God isn't on earth. We are, and we know He wants us to help them, so it's up to us to govern ourselves under His guidance. From what I know about Heaven, where God resides, children aren't starving there.
I imagine Hitler called the Jews demons. As for God, consider the conquest of Canaan, in which God ordered the Hebrews to completely exterminate the Canaanite people.
The thing is, God doesn't lie, whereas Hitler did.
Just punishing those who do not with eternal punishment? Sounds like force to me.
You stated yourself that sinning and going to Hell was better than following God and going to Heaven. Doesn't sound like force to anyone.
No defence at all. Akin to saying "I did warn her that I was going to rape her if she didn't debase herself" in a court of law.
Incorrect. Releasing slaves is different to debasing oneself.
One does not flood one's house to kill a spider within it.
True. But what would you do if your house was infested with spiders which were only spreading?
Personally, I'd get it sprayed.
He is unequivocally promoting slavery. How? He's placing restrictions on what you may do with prisoners of war from the desert. If they let them go, they would have gone back to their nations and helped again. Does making a prisoner build roads count as slavery?
The Troubles... The German religious wars betwixt Lutherans and Papists.
I think you misunderstood me. What did GOD do, not Christians.
The wanton slaughter of every first-born male in Egypt.
Near death experiences without the use of drugs.
Expression of subconscious doubts and beliefs; akin to dreaming but with a fixation on mortality.
Exactly. Therefore greed only exists on earth, and in both Heaven and Hell there is a lack of greed.
If you have nothing in Hell, all the more reason to be greedy, surely?
Haha that's a good one!
I notice that you were unable to mount a counter-argument.
Was this before or after the death of Jesus Christ?
You should know, having read the Bible. Oh wait, you didn't... Before.
You know, when people were able to be forgiven?
So your God condemned everybody who lived before Christ to eternal damnation because he was remiss in his duty to provide a line of salvation? Unbelievable for a supposedly omnipotent being.
God isn't on earth.
Ridiculous statement. Location is meaningless for an omnipresent force.
We are, and we know He wants us to help them,
He could solve the problem in the blink of an eye. Ask yourself; what rational being would not, if it had the power?
The thing is, God doesn't lie, whereas Hitler did.
If the people where demons, they were evil. As people were made in Gods's image and were God's work, it is logical to conclude that God can be and is evil.
You stated yourself that sinning and going to Hell was better than following God and going to Heaven. Doesn't sound like force to anyone.
The guillotine is force whether the victim fears it or not.
Incorrect. Releasing slaves is different to debasing oneself.
Irrelevant. The effect of the matter is the same.
what would you do if your house was infested with spiders which were only spreading?
Personally, I'd get it sprayed.
But you wouldn't spray it with your family inside, would you?
How? He's placing restrictions on what you may do with prisoners of war from the desert
Slavery is within those restrictions.
Does making a prisoner build roads count as slavery?
Yes. That would be obvious to anybody with a brain.
I think you misunderstood me. What did GOD do, not Christians.
That is irrelevant, but already answered. The matter the references were concerned with was the conduct of Christians being like what one would expect from demons. Besides, the crusades were papal-endorsed. As God's representative on Earth, the pope's will is God's will. Thus God condoned the slaughter.
The wanton slaughter of every first-born male in Egypt.
No actually, only the ones who didn't put the lamb's blood on their door.
Expression of subconscious doubts and beliefs; akin to dreaming but with a fixation on mortality.
That may or may not be true. Most people tend to see the EXACT same thing, but approach the afterlife in a different way.
I notice that you were unable to mount a counter-argument.
Not unable, only I couldn't say I've read the Bible. I've read a lot of the Bible, but I haven't read the whole thing.
You should know, having read the Bible. Oh wait, you didn't... Before.
Facepalms I know the answer. I wasn't asking because I didn't know, I was asking to you if YOU knew.
So your God condemned everybody who lived before Christ to eternal damnation because he was remiss in his duty to provide a line of salvation? Unbelievable for a supposedly omnipotent being.
I agree there 100%.
That's exactly what didn't happen. Even though (according to you) I haven't read the Bible, people used to sacrifice lambs and cattle, which can't sin.
Ridiculous statement. Location is meaningless for an omnipresent force.
Yes... and no. God is aware of everything that happens around us, but it's up to us to look after ourselves. If a tsunami hits an island, God (through us) will help with fundraisers and charity events.
He could solve the problem in the blink of an eye. Ask yourself; what rational being would not, if it had the power?
You see, that's what Heaven is, and that's why it doesn't have all the problems earth does.
If the people where demons, they were evil. As people were made in Gods's image and were God's work, it is logical to conclude that God can be and is evil.
You're right there, if God actually were killing Humans. But we all know that the Nephilim weren't made in God's image yet were actually given a chance to live.
The guillotine is force whether the victim fears it or not.
Hell is for people who sin and don't repent, so if you have EVER sinned, you deserve Hell.
But if you can be redeemed and saved, I'd take that wouldn't you?
Irrelevant. The effect of the matter is the same.
No, actually. Telling someone to debase oneself is telling them to do a particular action. Telling someone to release slaves is telling them to stop doing a particular action. I don't see how telling someone to release slaves is like threatening to rape them.
But you wouldn't spray it with your family inside, would you?
Certainly! I'd get them out of the house/teach them how to build an ark.
Yes. That would be obvious to anybody with a brain.
So forcing murderers to build roads is slavery, is slavery actually unjust?
That is irrelevant, but already answered. The matter the references were concerned with was the conduct of Christians being like what one would expect from demons. Besides, the crusades were papal-endorsed. As God's representative on Earth, the pope's will is God's will. Thus God condoned the slaughter.
The pope is NOT God's representative on earth! He's head of the catholic church, yes, but still human and still liable to sinning. So... no. God condoned none of those slaughters, a man did. God's perfect, but humanity isn't. We are made in God's image, like angels were made pure, but we are able to sin and angels are able to fall.
Oh by the way, I was wrong before when I said you misunderstood me, I thought it was a different question. :P Oh well!
No actually, only the ones who didn't put the lamb's blood on their door.
Ah, how merciful.
That may or may not be true. Most people tend to see the EXACT same thing, but approach the afterlife in a different way.
That is because there is a common image of Hell in the minds of the fearful. None of this amounts to evidence.
Not unable, only I couldn't say I've read the Bible. I've read a lot of the Bible, but I haven't read the whole thing.
And yet you believe every word it says? Incredible credulity.
Facepalms I know the answer. I wasn't asking because I didn't know, I was asking to you if YOU knew.
Of course I know; I have read the infernal book.
That's exactly what didn't happen. Even though (according to you) I haven't read the Bible, people used to sacrifice lambs and cattle, which can't sin.
That's gibberish.
If a tsunami hits an island, God (through us) will help with fundraisers and charity events.
He should have prevented the tsunami in the first place.
You see, that's what Heaven is, and that's why it doesn't have all the problems earth does.
No, heaven is a VIP only hedonistic cult headquarters, and totally at odds with Christian teachings.
You're right there, if God actually were killing Humans. But we all know that the Nephilim weren't made in God's image yet were actually given a chance to live.
Now that's nonsense. The Canaanites were human.
Hell is for people who sin and don't repent, so if you have EVER sinned, you deserve Hell.
Stealing a cookie and not saying sorry to a priest is not a crime under any civilised justice system.
But if you can be redeemed and saved, I'd take that wouldn't you?
No. I have done nothing wrong.
No, actually. Telling someone to debase oneself is telling them to do a particular action. Telling someone to release slaves is telling them to stop doing a particular action. I don't see how telling someone to release slaves is like threatening to rape them.
Threatening the entire first-born male population of a country with death is far worse than rape.
Certainly! I'd get them out of the house/teach them how to build an ark.
Proportionately speaking, you can only take a fraction of a fingernail from one of your family members out of the house before spraying it.
So forcing murderers to build roads is slavery, is slavery actually unjust?
They don't have to be murderers. Any prisoner who is forced to do manual labour is a slave. End of story.
The pope is NOT God's representative on earth!
No, it's in there. Right next to the "Fiction" label.
God's perfect, but humanity isn't.
Humanity is far more civilized, merciful and knowledgeable than your fictitious, murderous God.
We are made in God's image, like angels were made pure, but we are able to sin and angels are able to fall.
Nonsense.
Oh by the way, I was wrong before when I said you misunderstood me, I thought it was a different question.
You have been wrong throughout; I see no need to highlight this particular incidence.
That is because there is a common image of Hell in the minds of the fearful. None of this amounts to evidence.
Not necessarily. The common image of Hell could be a result of people's claims.
And yet you believe every word it says? Incredible credulity.
Redundant statement.
Of course I know; I have read the infernal book.
Then answer.
That's gibberish.
I notice you have nothing better to say other than calling my answer 'gibberish.'
He should have prevented the tsunami in the first place.
Why? Aren't we meant to learn how to fend from ourselves? If he prevented all natural disasters, we wouldn't really be on earth, would we?
No, heaven is a VIP only hedonistic cult headquarters, and totally at odds with Christian teachings.
Ah. There we go. You would rather put yourself through pain and torment through all eternity rather than believe that people who are taught to love one another as themselves are 'hedonistic' cultists.
Now that's nonsense. The Canaanites were human.
But not the inhabitants of earth shortly before the flood.
Stealing a cookie and not saying sorry to a priest is not a crime under any civilised justice system.
It's still a sin, no matter how big or small, therefore if ANYONE has EVER caused any form of mischief, then they need to repent don't they?
No. I have done nothing wrong.
If what you say is true, then live a happy afterlife.
Threatening the entire first-born male population of a country with death is far worse than rape.
Now that's just mixed up. Are you saying that a victim of rape is just as bad as someone who makes slaves out of an entire race?
Proportionately speaking, you can only take a fraction of a fingernail from one of your family members out of the house before spraying it.
Nonsense! Proportionately speaking, your family would have to be the size of spiders, and teaching them to build... I don't know... a little bubble home for whilst the house is getting sprayed is more accurate.
They don't have to be murderers. Any prisoner who is forced to do manual labour is a slave. End of story.
So therefore slavery isn't human rights abuse then?
No, it's in there. Right next to the "Fiction" label.
Sorry, did you just think all Christians think that the Pope is God's representative on earth?
If you did this only shows your lack of understanding of Christians in general.
Humanity is far more civilized, merciful and knowledgeable than your fictitious, murderous God.
I see that you seem to think that exterminating spiders is murderous. Suit yourself.
Nonsense.
I'm sorry. Were you unable to respond properly to that?
You have been wrong throughout; I see no need to highlight this particular incidence.
I believe you're the one who stated that the people of Egypt had no choice when losing their first born? And didn't you also state that the Nephilim on earth were the same as humans?
Ok 1st thing 1st, you don't have to have facial hair and that doesn't mean that you cant shave it in heaven either, now more serious your DON'T have to sing, go to church, seriously going to church does not make you any more Catholic than standing in a garage makes you a car, Christians are obviously there and thats the same as having kind people which is that a bad thing? And Finally god, err i think id rather have a person who looks after me then a demon misleading me into hell Ware my soul will forever be tortured until the devil is cast into the lake of fire which isn't going to happen anytime soon maybe never, in hell you have knowledge, if you consider lies and made-up stuff to be knowledge then something is wrong with you, greed ok you cant steal because your too busy getting your hands chopped off over and over again by demons, science? The only science going on down there is the type that blows you up, sex, ah sex such a desire for many but your lust will torment you for all time, and your desire is the thing that will reap your soul for eternity.
Ok 1st thing 1st, you don't have to have facial hair and that doesn't mean that you cant shave it in heaven either
Leviticus 19:27
Thou shalt not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
our DON'T have to sing, go to church, seriously going to church does not make you any more Catholic than standing in a garage makes you a car
But not going to church renders you unchristian. Thus you must go to be a Christian. Heaven is a church in one sense, in that it is effectively God's house.
Christians are obviously there and thats the same as having kind people which is that a bad thing?
Historically, Christianity is one of the bloodiest religions. You cannot argue that it has changed, as all those historical Christians shall be there also.
And Finally god, err i think id rather have a person who looks after me then a demon misleading me into hell
Weighing his deeds with an even hand, your God is worse than this "Satan" character. He's completely evil. Don't walk into the trap of demanding evidence like so many before you, because I have to hand a Bible which tells some interesting stories.
Ware my soul will forever be tortured
Despite God's forgiveness.
if you consider lies and made-up stuff to be knowledge
I "consider lies and made up stuff" to be religion.
greed ok you cant steal because your too busy getting your hands chopped off over and over again by demons
I don't remember that being mentioned in the Bible.
science? The only science going on down there is the type that blows you up
Science does not consist of blowing things up for the purpose of destroying them.
sex, ah sex such a desire for many but your lust will torment you for all time
No, lust torments you if you if sex is forbidden. If you can have it, lust is a relatively easy thing to deal with.
and your desire is the thing that will reap your soul for eternity
Couldn't come up with an ironic punishment for this one eh?
"But not going to church renders you unchristian. Thus you must go to be a Christian. Heaven is a church in one sense, in that it is effectively God's house."
'Going to church makes you as much as a christian then standing a garage makes you a car.' You can worship the Lord from home.
After reading your claims it's obvious you have no idea what true Christianity is. I thought atheists were supposed to be smart.Those that called themselves Christian that committed horrible acts in Gods name are few compared to atheists that committed horrible acts in pursuit of an atheistic society that was free of religion.
After reading your claims it's obvious you have no idea what true Christianity is.
After reading the entirety of your diminutive attempt at an argument, "it is obvious" that you do not really have any point to make, and must resort hurling calumnies at atheists.
I thought atheists were supposed to be smart.
You thought that atheists were supposed to be smart? Who supposed this, and why do you think that they did? Do you suggest that atheists themselves profess communal intelligence, and that this is one aspect of a larger campaign of disinformation, whose design is to obfuscate the frailty of the atheistic argument?
Those that called themselves Christian that committed horrible acts in Gods name
The phrase "called themselves", as it is used here, implies that you do not consider them to have been true Christians. Really, must we resort to the expurgation of entire chapters of Western history, just to pretend that Christianity is entirely benign?
atheists that committed horrible acts in pursuit of an atheistic society that was free of religion.
This is the old "Stalin was an atheist" argument. Compare: number of militant atheistic dictators versus number of atheists.
okay,dude if you got anything against Christianity,its different,but hell and heaven is not only the concept of Christianity.so personally,i prefer heaven...because if you imagine hell,it is the conventional dark,scary,fire...and trust me,if hell were anything like the imagery,you would wish you had never written like this..:)
okay,dude if you got anything against Christianity,its different,but hell and heaven is not only the concept of Christianity.
Of course not! There's slavery, oppression, sexual repression, hypocrisy, misogyny, murder and bigotry too!
so personally,i prefer heaven...because if you imagine hell,it is the conventional dark,scary,fire...and trust me,if hell were anything like the imagery,you would wish you had never written like this.
If heaven is as they say it is, I could hardly wish to have written it more.
okay...you get your wish...go to hell anytime you want but i still think that heaven's the best...and let me remind you it IS the winning position
1. Your grammar is appalling and it infects my eyes just to look at it.
2. Your argument reeks of an inability to summon anything meaningful to say.
3. Judging by past winning positions on this site, that argument means nothing to me. To clarify; why should I care how many people here are wrong? They are still wrong.
in the view of my eyes i would say that i am humanly perfect but in the eyes of the lord i may not be the perfect man to inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Saying your perfect is retarded aright i don't think anyone is perfect it dosen't matter whether your a christian or not the world does not revolve around you so saying that is very innacurate. And just because you sin does not mean you are not accepted into heaven.
if Hell did exist, but it wasn't the Christian Hell that doesn't mean that it would be better than Heaven. ALL portrayals of Hell are horrible places where people are punished.
You obviously didn't understand the question properly, it was stating if there was a heaven or hell which would you go and why. Your answer was only based on the fact that you want to be the opposite of theists proving my point that i started a thread on Atheists picking on theists.
What's it to you if I'm insane? It doesn't affect you, so there's no need for this harassment.
First of all, I have no idea why you think I'm harassing you, I'm questioning the reasoning as to why you would want to subject yourself to pain and torment.
Second, how could you think that in Heaven you'll feel negative emotions?
Harden up. Arguing with you is different from annoying you. If you hate arguing I question why you are actually here?
No, in this case you've only been annoying me. Also, I'm here to debate, not argue. Debates are stimulating, arguing is annoying. Since arguing has (evidently) been your goal it follows that you have annoyed me.
Go to North Korea. They don't have Christians.
There are also no Christians where I already live, but thanks for letting me know I have options. ;)
No, in this case you've only been annoying me. Also, I'm here to debate, not argue. Debates are stimulating, arguing is annoying. Since arguing has (evidently) been your goal it follows that you have annoyed me.
What's the difference between debating and arguing then? I've always told they were synonymous, so if you get annoyed at someone with different views... TOUGH!
No, you just harass them. Why are you even talking to me? You already know why I'd rather go to hell than to heaven with you, there nothing else to talk about.
Yes, yes I did. Go back and re-read my posts because you've clearly missed it.
Also, I never said anything about being offended. Don't put words in my mouth. I've been on this site for 2.5 years, I hardly need you to tell me if I should be on it.
Are we done here, or are you going to keep pushing your ideology on me?
I never acted as though I was offended, you projected this emotion onto me.
If Christianity is true, then your heaven would just as bad as any hell I can think of. So, I might as well choose the one that has someone interesting to talk to.
If Christianity was true, would you seriously subject yourself to pain and torment simply because you can't stand the sight of Christians being kind to one another?
I'm sorry, but you seem to think that there's negativity in Heaven, such as being annoyed at a particular sort of person. How could it be bad to you if it doesn't make you feel any bad emotion?
You see, this is the semantics of heaven. You won't know what heaven includes untill you get there. Assuming your God is consistent in the way he opperates in heaven as he does on earth, heaven would be a hell for persons such as myself.
If I'm not able to feel "bad" emotions in heaven, then by your definition, heaven happens when your freedom is taken. This is not heaven to me.
So you think burning forever in pits of fire and being denied even water... is more freedom than not having negative emotions and being around people who are only nice to you?
Again, you're making assumptions of heaven and hell. These assumptions are un-backed by any evidence. But yes, there is more freedom in hell given your description. At least in hell I can choose to enjoy the sensation of thirst, in heaven I am only allowed joy and a joy free of choice is hollow. It is an illusion. Trees are happy, only because they can't choose sadness, but can a tree ever be happier than man? Of course not, it has no way to be.
Again, you're making assumptions of heaven and hell. These assumptions are un-backed by any evidence.
Now you've gone back to the debate over whether or not Hell and Heaven existed. If they did, can you name ONE theological source that states Hell is better than Heaven?
That's not what I'm saying at all. You've totally ignored the meat of my argument so you can bitch about a side note. ALL theological sources involving heaven and hell are wrong. Every one of them. So, it doesn't really matter if they say heaven is better than hell or vice versa.
When I said "At least in hell I can choose to enjoy the sensation of thirst, in heaven I am only allowed joy and a joy free of choice is hollow. It is an illusion. Trees are happy, only because they can't choose sadness, but can a tree ever be happier than man? Of course not, it has no way to be.", that WAS assuming heaven and hell exist.
You've ignored this twice now. I even TOLD you that you missed it my last post, yet you went ahead and ignored it again anyway. You're an idiot.
No, but if this is a theological debate then why bring in facts over whether it actually exists?
What I've been trying to say is that according to what's in Hell, why would you think it's better than Heaven? You haven't actually answered me, only told me what you think Hell would be like, not how the scriptures define it.
I mentioned it didn't exist as a side note and then went directly into my argument which very much assumed hell's existence. YOU'RE the won who got all hell bent (punny =p) over it.
I already told why I would prefer hell. I've said it several times in several ways, but one in particular that you should definitely know because it's in the very post that I've told you now 3 times to go back to.
The way I see heaven and hell, hell would be better,
Heaven is a dictatorship under an egotistical "God" who demands constant praise and enforces insane rules.
Hell, on the other hand, has interesting persons, the freedom to sin and the choice to feel bad. You can't really be happy if you can't also choose to be sad.
I noticed YOU haven't answered the simple question AND have failed to understand my answer. There's no reason to suggest that earthly fire is any equivalent to hell fire, if hell even uses fire. You'd have to go to hell to actually know what it's like. So, have you been to hell?
I'm pretty sure when Denis said that he was referring to the fact that everyone sins and no one can stop it so he was just restating the fact that was already their in a more clever appraoch.
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You obviously don't get it, life isn't about having fun all the time. It is about proving if you're a good person the fact that you say you will sin in the future just shows all of us you admit that you will do bad in the future and you won't stop it. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you have to result to being the worst person in the world just because you know there isn't an afterlife.
You obviously don't get it, life isn't about having fun all the time.
I don't believe I said that life was about having fun. I surely don't believe that either.
It is about proving if you're a good person the fact that you say you will sin in the future just shows all of us you admit that you will do bad in the future and you won't stop it.
I probably did not explain myself very well. Sin is an action viewed to be “bad” in the eyes of a God. I am not religious. As a result, I will not follow your God’s laws. Therefore, the event “sinning” is possible.
However, I will follow society’s laws and principles: freedom, respect, equality and fraternity
*As much as I would love to believe that there is an afterlife, I am still not sure. Life is then not worth taking the risk...
I'd go to hell rather than heaven coz. hell is a hot place 0or so I've heard and so heaven should be a cold place being the opposite of hell!!! I hate cold places, as compared to hot places so I'd love going to heaven if I had a choice!!!
You just contridicted yourself and said that you would love to go to hell, and then you said you would love to go to heaven if you had a choice? But im guessing it is a typo and you would like to go to hell because our tagged as "Hell" which is fine since weather is all that matters and torment for all your life is fine as long as its warm down there.
I will be the one enjoying myself up there while i watch you work your butt off to feed the fires of heaven. While you get whipped and be told the words of God.
Heaven ^^ Who in the world would actually WANT to choose hell? Unless you're a person who thinks Earth is hell. Then I can understand that. But I still rather go to heaven.
PLEASE HEAR ME OUT!!!! I HOPE THIS CHANGES YOUR MINDS ABOUT HELL
Who would want to go to hell you die like every second and you scream as you melt from extreme heat......hell's doors are very wide meaning most of the people in this world are more then likely to go to hell and heaven's door are slim because maybe 2 out of 10 people are going to heaven. more people are going to hell because humans are stupid, selfish, greedy and a lot more. we just don't get it........all the possessions and money you have or the nice cars WON'T MATTER when YOU DIE
OK for the most part our life span is around 75-80 well that seem like a lot but think when you die you spend your life in heaven or in hell FOREVER it is hard to imagine how long that is and once you go to heaven or hell you stay there. There is no second chance its not like GOD is going to SAY "oh this guy has been there for a thousand years I think he LEARNED HIS LESSON" NO you are going to live there for a GAZILLION GOOGLES if that is even how many years. ALL THOSE NICE THINGS WONT GO WITH YOU......AND even though you go to church and THINK you believe in god with all your heart and read the BIBLE that is NOT GOING TO CUT IT you have to BELIEVE in GOD with your ALL YOUR MIND, HEART, SOUL AND LIFE. YOU have to inspire people that he exists read the bible and tell other people quotes read a lot every day don't be selfish or greedy help others. I hope reading this has inspired you to change or inspire others. Heaven is like earth but better no pollution or global warming no violence, criminals, or any other bad things, you get to reunite with family members if they go to heaven. ALSO IN THE REVELATIONS IS SAYS PEOPLE WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL SUFFER SO BEWARE OF THE BEAST DON'T get HIS MARK "IF ANYONE HAS INSIGHT, LET HIM CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, FOR IT IS MAN'S NUMBER. his NUMBER IS 666." REVELATIONS
thank you for reading this.....and good luck to you...may GOD BLESS YOU!!!!! I MYSELF WILL DO THE SAME WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN GODS EYES SO HELP EACH OTHER OUT,..... AND NO FATHER IS AS GOOD AS OUR LORD
Who would want to go to hell you die like every second and you scream as you melt from extreme heat......hell's doors are very wide meaning most of the people in this world are more then likely to go to hell and heaven's door are slim because maybe 2 out of 10 people are going to heaven. more people are going to hell because humans are stupid, selfish, greedy and a lot more. we just don't get it........all the possessions and money you have or the nice cars WON'T MATTER when YOU DIE
There is no hell or heaven. Those are concepts invented to sell a religion to you. They are ideas designed to comfort you. Your possessions won't matter because once you die, your existence ends forever.
AND even though you go to church and THINK you believe in god with all your heart and read the BIBLE that is NOT GOING TO CUT IT you have to BELIEVE in GOD with your ALL YOUR MIND, HEART, SOUL AND LIFE. YOU have to inspire people that he exists read the bible and tell other people quotes read a lot every day don't be selfish or greedy help others.
This is dogma. Authorities live in luxury because you are taught to believe so much in a lie that gives them wealth.
There is no hell or heaven. Those are concepts invented to sell a religion to you. They are ideas designed to comfort you. Your possessions won't matter because once you die, your existence ends forever.
yeah sure just wait until Jesus,our lord and savior comes back when the time is right and comes for all of the people who believed in him all along!!!!!
This is dogma. Authorities live in luxury because you are taught to believe so much in a lie that gives them wealth.*
I do agree with you on this one but he tells us to help the poor and give them some possessions in a cheerful way and then you forget about it.learned about that from yesterday.
FINE whatever don't believe in this and when Jesus comes for us you will be one them with the mark of the beast and you can tell me how it is down there. unless you start believing in this then hopefully I'll meet you up in heaven.
yeah sure just wait until Jesus,our lord and savior comes back when the time is right and comes for all of the people who believed in him all along!!!!!
He won't. He died, remember? If you die on a cross, your existence is ended. There is no resurrection.
FINE whatever don't believe in this and when Jesus comes for us you will be one them with the mark of the beast and you can tell me how it is down there. unless you start believing in this then hopefully I'll meet you up in heaven.
If there is a god, and it is a god worthy of worship, then I need not believe in it or worship it. My actions here will have been righteous enough. If that god is benevolent, then I never need fear anything like hell.
You have been mislead by illogical dogma. A benevolent god doesn't send people to hell. A just god doesn't require worship.
I believe the debate was over whether you'd rather go to Heaven or Hell, not over the existence of the two.
If we must accept the existence of the Christian version of either, then the obvious choice is hell, because heaven is where all criminals will be who accepted Christ on their deathbeds, and hell is where all the independent and moral characters would be who chose to live good lives instead of playing it safe and giving up personal responsibility.
Sorry, but does that mean that Heaven only consists of convicted criminals whereas Hell consists of all the good people who follow God's word only not in a religious manner?
Sorry, but does that mean that Heaven only consists of convicted criminals whereas Hell consists of all the good people who follow God's word only not in a religious manner?
Heaven would be full of criminals who converted at the last moment, and individuals without morality who only act according to the laws of a book.
Hell would be full of the rest.
I don't want to live in North Korea for all eternity.
I question your belief in that one cannot believe in God and be a good person? And that it's not possible for a criminal to not repent and go to Hell?
No, I argue that one who sees god as a source of morality has no moral sense himself. I also argue that a criminal will tend to think with his interests at heart, meaning that he would sooner repent on his deathbed for heaven than stay true to himself and go to hell.
So... even if someone helps the poor, is a good person etc, but also a christian does that mean that they are actually an immoral, evil person?
They are amoral if and only if they get their morality from a book instead of their moral sense. They are immoral if those written morals are widely agreed upon as immoral.
Being a Christian isn't relevant, it is a matter of getting your morality from a book that is.
Also, say you tried to rob a bank and got shot. You were dying and you remembered Jesus, etc. Would YOU repent?
They are amoral if and only if they get their morality from a book instead of their moral sense. They are immoral if those written morals are widely agreed upon as immoral.
Being a Christian isn't relevant, it is a matter of getting your morality from a book that is
I see, so what your saying is it's only people who are moral because of a Holy book they follow, not Christians or Muslims in general, yea?
No. I have standards.
So how do you know that criminals on THEIR deathbeds wouldn't do the same as you?
Criminals are selfish and tend to lie for personal gain. Think Machiavelli.
Wait, I'm just a little bit confused. Do you mean that a criminal would lie and repent, etc even if they don't care in their heart? Because that wouldn't get them into Heaven if they were lying.
Wait, I'm just a little bit confused. Do you mean that a criminal would lie and repent, etc even if they don't care in their heart? Because that wouldn't get them into Heaven if they were lying.
They would do whatever was in their self-interest.
If liars don't make it to heaven, then no one gets there, because the professed faithful could be said to be liars, they only worship god for fear of him and hell.
They would do whatever was in their self-interest.
If liars don't make it to heaven, then no one gets there, because the professed faithful could be said to be liars, they only worship god for fear of him and hell.
The only way for them to get into Heaven and to no lie about it all is to truly repent, and to actually turn away from their way of life even if they were dying or not. If it's just because they didn't want to die but would no sooner go and commit another crime then they aren't really repenting aren't they?
The only way for them to get into Heaven and to no lie about it all is to truly repent, and to actually turn away from their way of life even if they were dying or not. If it's just because they didn't want to die but would no sooner go and commit another crime then they aren't really repenting aren't they?
As I said, I don't believe anyone truly repents for god (except maybe children). God is a fearsome monster that keeps people in line through fear. People don't prostrate themselves in front of something beloved, but that which they are intimidated by.
If no one truly repents, then they wouldn't be in Heaven.
Correct.
Not everyone worships God out of fear. Those who do do not really love God.
As I said, they do not love god, but fear him. They are so terrified that they beg mercy, they plead with him, they bow before him, and consider themselves as worthless impure to him.
As I said, they do not love god, but fear him. They are so terrified that they beg mercy, they plead with him, they bow before him, and consider themselves as worthless impure to him.
Umm you sound like you're saying that people ONLY worship God out of fear, not like loving a father?
Umm you sound like you're saying that people ONLY worship God out of fear, not like loving a father?
Correct. If people thought god was a loving father figure, they would disagree with him (dogma) openly, they would question him (dogma) openly, and hell wouldn't even exist in the theology because a loving father couldn't torture his children. They would not be subservient, and prostrating. These are acts of fear.
Anything. Why you need to believe in god to be rewarded. Why there needs to be a reward. Why the world is so screwed up.
No actually.
Think of it like the president, and you're trying to get into the white house. Just because you know who the president is doesn't necessarily mean you can enter the white house.
What's the expression? Most would rather rule hell than serve in heaven? In any case, hell is defined by theology to be torture.
That may be so, but it seems to me it's what a lot of people would prefer.
Think of it like the president, and you're trying to get into the white house. Just because you know who the president is doesn't necessarily mean you can enter the white house.
Which defeats the father figure analogy...
That may be so, but it seems to me it's what a lot of people would prefer.
Which, in any case, is beyond the capacity of a benevolent deity or father figure.
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His divine power has given us everything we need for life and for godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.Through this he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self control; and to self control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love, for if you possess these qualities in increasing measures, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in you knowledge of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
2 Peters 1:3-9 (NIV) AMEN TO THESE WORDS THAT ARE SO TRUE!!!!!
His divine power has given us everything we need for life and for godliness through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.Through this he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
Living with your mind buried in dogma keeps the world unjust, unequal, and cruel. You allow evil to happen because you believe that something which doesn't exist will fix everything for you.
But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins.
2 Peters 1:3-9 (NIV) AMEN TO THESE WORDS THAT ARE SO TRUE!!!!!
For those who don't fully understand hell i shall break it down for you, also before i start who ever thinks the devil is in charge of hell is wrong, he is not in charge but receives pain like all the others who join him there, now i shall start, hell is a place that the sin(s) you have committed shall be forever brought upon you by the 7 tortures of hell, so gruesome i cant say details for the light stomached, the point is your will experience pain like no other and if you want to go to hell your not going to receive any less punishment.
Pain is what we make of it, and those who want to go to hell are not going to receive any less pain because some people believe that if they support the devil he will spare them but he cant because he is in pain in hell as well, which brings me to acting naturally, acting naturally is our general emotions that we pr trey to people we meet, being nasty to someone does not mean your going to hell but repeated use isn't making you in favor of going to heaven either, what I'm trying to point out is, is that we have the choice of what we want to do but we should be prepared for the consequences, if there is no hell or heaven there are still consequences and bad people are not usually the ones getting nice stuff happening to them.
we have the choice of what we want to do but we should be prepared for the consequences.
I agree with that.
Or it could be that neither heaven nor hell exist and they were both made up to try and get people to act "good" in accordance with a 2000 year old moral code.
As a religious person of the catholic faith i believe that there is a heaven, yet others can disagree with me, although its not mentioned in the bible i believe in hell as well, but should neither exist and religion is a way of fear controlling people into being good then then humanity has sunk rather low, but aside that, the commandments of god are with the laws we have today (I'm not referring to all of the 10) so by following the laws we are being good anyways, and obviously killing and stealing are bad and dying knowing you have done bad things isn't something a lot of people want on the conscience.
Yeah but once you go there you can't go back...what if you had enough pain you can't escape from hell I wouldn't try that I wouldn't want to stay there if I had enough of that place BUT YOU CANNOT GO BACK YOU STAY THERE FOREVER.
Yeah but once you go there you can't go back...what if you had enough pain you can't escape from hell I wouldn't try that I wouldn't want to stay there if I had enough of that place BUT YOU CANNOT GO BACK YOU STAY THERE FOREVER.
and who told you that now? do you have firsthand evidence that god even has a hell?! i really dont belive a benevolent god would send you to hell, but if there is one, and im goin to it, when i die, place two coins on my eyes so i can cross the river styx
lol some ppl think that in hell they'll get greed and other stuff normal humans like , thats not true they'll experience everlasting pain! i mean being burned all of the time , imagine it , being tortured all of the time and never dye :) you'll be baging the devil to kill you but he wont listen :D - so i godda choose heven , i think in heven every person has he's own part of heven and there all of he's dreams come true , while in hell you get tortured forever and NEVER, EVER dye
in my opinion i don't think there is any one who can say that he is appropriate enough to inherit the kingdom of heaven but however a part of the heart tells us other wise and the other part that this world is part of as so i don't have an answer ......................
I don't know why this is even a debate this should be a prespective because it is who wants to go where it is not asking where you think the next guy posting above you is going to go. Thread starter is dumb.
PLEASE HEAR ME OUT!!!! i HOPE THIS CHANGES YOUR MINDS ABOUT HELL
Who would want to go to hell you die like every second and you scream as you melt from extreme heat......hell's doors are very wide meaning most of the people in this world are more then likely to go to hell and heaven's door are slim because maybe 2 out of 10 people are going to heaven. more people are going to hell because humans are stupid, selfish, greedy and a lot more. we just don't get it........all the possessions and money you have or the nice cars WON'T MATTER when YOU DIE
OK for the most part our life span is around 75-80 well that seem like a lot but think when you die you spend your life in heaven or in hell FOREVER it is hard to imagine how long that is and once you go to heaven or hell you stay there. There is no second chance its not like GOD is going to SAY "oh this guy has been there for a thousand years I think he LEARNED HIS LESSON" NO you are going to live there for a GAZILLION GOOGLES if that is even how many years. ALL THOSE NICE THINGS WONT GO WITH YOU......AND even though you go to church and THINK you believe in god with all your heart and read the BIBLE that is NOT GOING TO CUT IT you have to BELIEVE in GOD with your ALL YOUR MIND, HEART, SOUL AND LIFE. YOU have to inspire people that he exists read the bible and tell other people quotes read a lot every day don't be selfish or greedy help others. I hope reading this has inspired you to change or inspire others. Heaven is like earth but better no pollution or global warming no violence, criminals, or any other bad things, you get to reunite with family members if they go to heaven. ALSO IN THE REVELATIONS IS SAYS PEOPLE WITH THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL SUFFER SO BEWARE OF THE BEAST DON'T get HIS MARK "IF ANYONE HAS INSIGHT, LET HIM CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, FOR IT IS MAN'S NUMBER. his NUMBER IS 666." REVELATIONS
thank you for reading this.....and good luck to you...may GOD BLESS YOU!!!!! i MYSELF WILL DO THE SAME WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN GODS EYES SO HELP EACH OTHER OUT,..... AND NO FATHER IS AS GOOD AS OUR LORD
If you except Jesus Christ you are going to go to heaven if you do not well you are going to hell. If you do not believe in God or Christianity and want to go to hell... I feel sorry for you i will try everything in my power to bring you to Christ but people are just too stubborn. See what sucks the most is that some of you prefer hell than heaven which I would never do... and once you get there, there is no turning back, changing your mind, reincarnation or anything... You will be stuck there. And in hell, once you burn to death from the extreme heat, tortured, and screeching, you start the same process over and over and over for eternity... and you prefer that? See what hurts me the most is that people are not realizing how real both heaven and hell are. There are demons and there are angels, there is God and there is the Devil... and if you think the devil likes you, actually the complete opposite... THE DEVIL HATES YOU BECAUSE YOU REMIND HIM OF GOD BECAUSE WE WERE ALL CREATED IN GODS IMAGE. he just wants to watch you be tortured to death for his own enjoyement of bringing people away from God.
I am a christian, but i am not perfect by any means. But in the bible it says that God is a forgiving God. If I repent(asking for forgiveness), forgiveness will be received.
Of course i want to be in heaven.I hear it is a very peaceful and beautiful. It's gotta be better than being tortured and living in fear for erernity. The world is scary as it is , so why go through 7 hells , when you could live in peace with the ones that you love?From shows that i have seen, people that have died and came back to life, described heaven as
1. beatiful
2. peaceful
3. no harm done to you
4. loving
Who wants to be unable to breathe and be told you're nothing and suffer with the evil beings who loves to torture you?
