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 Transgender Is Normal And Ok, OK? (43)

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Transgender Is Normal And Ok, OK?

That's how I see it.  But I have a friend in this situation.  On Facebook I see so much hate against Transgender people.  They call them freaks and I hate it...

I'll tell my story later.  For now, I wanna see where this debate goes.
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4 points

There is nothing wrong with being transgender. Good for you for supporting your friend.

2 points

Technically, transgender people constitute a relatively small minority of any given population which makes them statistically deviant from the average person... in other words, abnormal. However, there are a lot of people who would technically be abnormal for some reason and in fact the very concept of "normality" is suspect.

I think the more relevant point is that it is not unnatural nor morally wrong in any regard, or at least there is no evidence to bear out the opposing claims.

1 point

Ah, I see your point there. Even if he/she is abnormal, I'll at least make him feel better about it.

Yeah, as far as I know, nothing is wrong with being Trans.

Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

Eh, not exactly. I honestly do not place any value upon the notion of "normalcy", and therefore it is less of an "at least" and more of a "duh" to me, if that makes sense. I also know of nothing wrong with being transgender, so why would I not accept people who are?

P.S. Not all trans people identify as he/she so using that may not be the most accurate way to reference them. I like to use the neutral they, or he/she/they if I am concerned about offending someone who feels strongly about being addressed by a binary pronoun.

The Transgender Community has gained notoriety within the past 10 years that has helped promote tolerance. There is nothing abnormal about a transgendered person.

6 points

Do you have any idea what the word notoriety means?

PhxDemocrat(13119) Clarified
2 points

Of course, I know what "notoriety" means. When subjects or people reach the height of notoriety, it's an achievement.

14giraffes(87) Disputed
1 point

The situation is much worse than thou thinketh, for the lunatics are running the asylum when it comes to the english language. There are different definitions in different dictionaries for "notoriety", and uniquely there is no official institution designated for the english language as with other languages.

Nothing about being transgender hurts anyone, and there is no evidence that it is anything beyond a normal deviation in human gender. It's not strictly "normal" in the sense that only a minority of the population is transgender, but there is nothing wrong with it.

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I think it's sick. My mind just won't accept it no matter how much I try to convince myself to be open minded about it. Assuming that i found nothing psychologically wrong about them, maybe if I met a few of them and was aware of their transgender status then I would be more accepting of it.

2 points

There's a difference between viewing them as "off", not accepting them, and saying "I think it's sick".

I just don't see the need to view them with borderline hostility like that, even if I personally don't understand it.

ProLogos(2798) Disputed
1 point

1. What's your point?

2. Borderline Hostility...? O.o Nonono. I'm not thinking about pelting them with rocks, I swear.

CutMe(109) Disputed
1 point

How is it sick to want to be something else? I can guarantee you've felt the same way at some point in your life...

ProLogos(2798) Disputed
1 point

Wanting to be a ninja and wanting to be a different gender are way different things in my book.

1 point

That's really horrible and judgemental. They cannot help that they are mentally the opposite gender to the one that they were physically born with. It's easy for you to judge try walking a mile in their shoes. Dysphoria is a horrible thing and people like you who encourage people to bottle stuff up and suppress it are irresponsible.

ProLogos(2798) Disputed
1 point

Like I said, I try to accept it but my brain can't right now. What part of that, do you diphthongs not understand? I can't help that this is the way I am, so why do you shun me for it? You're being a hypocrite.

people like you who encourage people to bottle stuff up and suppress it are irresponsible.

Where in my post does it say that I want people to suppress their thoughts?

Bottle stuff up and suppress mean the same thing....why so redundant?

Jace(4706) Clarified
1 point

Leading psychological institutions actually only recognize gender dysphoria as a mental health condition, which requires that the person in question be suffering from psychological distress and dysfunction as result of their dysphoria; not all transgender people are diagnosable, and the identity itself is no longer pathologized.

I wonder, also, if you have similar feelings towards other diagnosable conditions? People with depression, say? Or anxiety? I ask because I wonder if the psychological aspect is actually as important as you feel it might be, or if your attitude perhaps has more to do with your unfamiliarity. (No judgement, by the way, just pushing into your response a bit.)

ProLogos(2798) Clarified
1 point

I think unfamiliarity.

I won't really know if it's that until I become familiar with them.

Sonata(8) Disputed
1 point

You, like anyone else, are allowed to believe without having those beliefs challenged. The problem starts with you calling people sick because we try to be ourselves. Can you imagine yourself in a position like this? If you can, please do so. You'll probably start figuring out why we feel what we do. Hate us if you want, but please - PLEASE- don't go around assaulting us and inspiring others to do the same.

Yes there is no such thing as not being normal when it comes to this type of topic. Trans people are normal no matter what they think are do to themselves.

Jace(4706) Clarified
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Arguably transgender people are not "normal" in the sense that being cisgender is the average gender identity for the species. That said, deviating from the norm is not itself wrong or bad (or any of the other common associates of "not normal").

1 point

There is nothing wrong with acting like a girl if you are a boy, because there are no set restrictions (or at least there shouldn't be) for how someone should act based on their gender. If a five year old boy wants to play with dolls, there's no problem. If a 16 year old girl wants to shop in the "men's" section at a store, go ahead. If a 45 year old man wants to get his genitals removed and replaced with a female's, then it doesn't bother me- it's their body, they can change it all they want (as long as it's legal). The thing that bothers me about "transgender" is that if you are born with an X and Y chromosome, then you are male, a boy, a man, "him", etc. If you are born with two X chromosomes, then you are female, a girl, a woman, "her", etc. When a male says that he is a female, then it is scientifically incorrect. That's what bothers me about transgender people. There's no rulebook to follow for the way a gender acts, but if you are a female, then you are a female no matter what.

1 point

Transgender is abnormal and not okay but it is okay to not be okay, okay?

1 point

Uh huh, sure, it's normal and ok to mutilate yourself if you feel like the opposite gender is inside you trying to get out. Cut yourself enough and your "inner opposite gender" can be revealed. That's demons trying to rip you to pieces and leave you so scared or damaged that you want to kill yourself and send yourself to Hell.

1 point

Uh huh, sure, it's normal and ok to mutilate yourself if you feel like the opposite gender is inside you trying to get out. Cut yourself enough and your "inner opposite gender" can be revealed. That's demons trying to rip you to pieces and leave you so scared or damaged that you want to kill yourself and send yourself to Hell.

1 point

Uh huh, sure, it's normal and ok to mutilate yourself if you feel like the opposite gender is inside you trying to get out. Cut yourself enough and your "inner opposite gender" can be revealed. That's demons trying to rip you to pieces and leave you so scared or damaged that you want to kill yourself and send yourself to Hell.

1 point

Uh huh, sure, it's normal and ok to mutilate yourself if you feel like the opposite gender is inside you trying to get out. Cut yourself enough and your "inner opposite gender" can be revealed. That's demons trying to rip you to pieces and leave you so scared or damaged that you want to kill yourself and send yourself to Hell.

I will try my best to say this in a respectful way. I don't believe that transgender freaks. But in my opinion, it's not normal. Personally, I just don't like it when people try to be something that they aren't. There is a reason why females and males are made differently. I don't really like when boys "try" to be girls. and vice versa. A girl can never truly be a boy, and a boy can never truly be a girl, genetically and emotionally speaking.

1 point

As ælong as our society is the way it is, then it is okay. But i would rather see a cultural change than more transgender people. When you identify with another gender, it is not many that only feel like they need a penis og a vagina. They fell taht they fit in, in the norms, that we have forced on the genders. If we somehow can change our society, so you doesnt have to change gender to make wearing a dress okay, then that would be optimal

1 point

I don't think transgender is 'normal' or 'okay', as it is a mental illness that should be treated as such. However, it is isn't good to call someone a freak for something, especially if it's something they don't control.

0 points

It's a deviant sexual orientation or just plain greed. It certainly increases your chances of a date.

CutMe(109) Disputed
1 point

How is it greedy to want to be another gender...? Please explain.

Kalamazoo(316) Clarified
1 point

Oops, got me there, I was confusing transgender with bi-sexuality. In my opinion, transgender is not a form of deviant sexuality, just an unfortunate quirk of birth, I guess. I was a male trapped in a female's body for a long time, then I was born.

pirateelfdog(2655) Clarified
1 point

It's technically not a sexual orientation, as that term refers to sexuality, while this refers to gender.

Edit: Just saw that you corrected yourself already elsewhere. You can ignore this. :)

1 point

Gender identity and sexual orientation are not related you absolute buffoon. Some transgender people are asexual.

ProLogos(2798) Disputed
1 point

You misspelled baboon.

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2 points

You are utterly incapable of holding a legitimate conversation.

2 points

I thought about trying to treat the OP text as deserving a thorough response. Then I read what you wrote and realized I was wrong. Thanks for saving me the time. ;)

CutMe(109) Disputed
2 points

I know you and you deserve none of my time. Come back when you want to be part of the adults conversation...

Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

Uh huh, sure, it's normal and ok to mutilate yourself if you feel like the opposite gender is inside you trying to get out. Cut yourself enough and your "inner opposite gender" can be revealed. That's demons trying to rip you to pieces and leave you so scared or damaged that you want to kill yourself and send yourself to Hell.

dcb9242000(167) Clarified
1 point

Why not? There's trans-racial people now. Ever heard of Rachel Dolezal? Personally, I identify as a distortion guitar pedal. All my life, I've wanted to turn a good sound into an even better, although head-splitting, obnoxious sound.

CutMe(109) Clarified
1 point

Hah.. heheh... is this a joke? Or am I just not getting your point?