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Yes, if the death penalty has flaws....FIX THE FLAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's like saying we have flaws in our justice system when it comes to crimes, so we might as well do away with the laws. WE DON'T END THE LAWS!!!! WE FIX THEM!!!!
It would be easy to fix death penalty laws. Simply tell the judges that the only cases that get the death penalty, are cases that are 100% sure of guilt!
Will it ever be absolutely perfect with no chance of error? Probably not, but for the sake of the vast vast majority of executions, no chance will another person or prison guard, etc. ever be murdered, whether in or out of prison.
The death penalty IS A DETERRENT no matter how many bleeding heart fools say it's not.
What's so rich about all this is that people like you sentence thousands of viable babies to death every time you elect Democrats who support that death sentence!
What were the crimes of those innocent viable babies? THEY WERE INNOCENT. but because of people like you, they will never get their day in court.
They need to come up with non partisan data that shows how innocent people were executed, so that the Judges who gave them the death penalty will stop doing it.
If there is any question of guilt, No Death Penalty! This is not rocket science.
Trump was praising the Chinese government and President Xi Jinping for criminalizing fentanyl, but he also took the step of making clear he has no problem with China's government killing "pushers" of the drug, which has also helped fuel the opioid crisis in the US. It's not the first time Trump has spoken admiringly of other countries' use of the death penalty for drug dealers.
You KNOW, or DENY, that trump DEMANDED Jeff Sessions do Trumps bidding.. But, Sessions WOULDN'T, and that's WHY he was out of favor with Trump.. They MIGHT have even reported that on FOX.. I dunno.
Trump SAID he could SHOOT someone on 5th Avenue, and get away with it.. He was talking about YOU, and he was right..
So, you think because Trump DEMANDED loyalty from his AG, that Obama did too??
Yes, if the death penalty has flaws....FIX THE FLAWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's like saying we have flaws in our justice system when it comes to crimes, so we might as well do away with the laws. WE DON'T END THE LAWS!!!! WE FIX THEM!!!!
It would be easy to fix death penalty laws. Simply tell the judges that the only cases that get the death penalty, are cases that are 100% sure of guilt!
Will it ever be absolutely perfect with no chance of error? Probably not, but for the sake of the vast vast majority of executions, no chance will another person or prison guard, etc. ever be murdered, whether in or out of prison.
The death penalty IS A DETERRENT no matter how many bleeding heart fools say it's not.
What's so rich about all this is that people like you sentence thousands of viable babies to death every time you elect Democrats who support that death sentence!
What were the crimes of those innocent viable babies? THEY WERE INNOCENT. but because of people like you, they will never get their day in court.
If children are innocently put in timeout, the problem isn’t time out. If an adult is incorrectly issued a speeding ticket, the problem is not traffic fines. If anyone is punished to any extent when they are innocent, the punishment isn’t what’s wrong. The innocence project uses DNA and other new methods to introduce reasonable doubt to criminal cases. That tells me that we can now be more sure in some cases than ever before. Though perhaps the death penalty needs a different threshold of proof. The evidence project uses some very useful tools to meet that threshold.
Getting better at finding evidence doesn’t equate to throwing out punishment. It can be an argument in favor of it.
That tells me that we can now be more sure in some cases than ever before.
Hello again, A:
Yes, we CAN.. But, until we do, it would be GOOD if we stopped offing people.. The fact that the Innocence Project is able to DO what they DO should be ample evidence that we're NOT getting it done in the courts.
Like I said, perhaps the death penalty needs a different threshold of proof. Some cases have certainly used DNA and other modern techniques for prosecution. You won’t read about them on the innocence project, because there’s no changing their case.
You mentioned progress. Better evidence is progress, so that’s good. I don’t see how letting criminals free is necessarily progress. Given high recidivism, it may be the opposite of progress. Crime reduction would be progress, but I don’t see that coming out of these reforms. Maybe Trump is just as regressive on reform as he is on the death penalty, making him not schizo.
Like I said, perhaps the death penalty needs a different threshold of proof.
Hello again, A:
Nahh.. I'm fine with it being beyond a reasonable doubt.. What needs fixing is the QUALITY of the defense.. If we're gonna PAY for a defense, we need to stop KIDDING and REALLY pay for a defense..
All the Innocence Project does is what a defense lawyer should have done in the first place. But, we DON'T pay for that... We give a guy facing the death penalty a lawyer who's works in traffic court. Who's surprised that those people get wrongfully convicted??
Having a finding overturned doesn’t necessarily mean the person was wrongfully convicted. Sometimes it’s just a more lenient jury. Anecdotally, I’m aware of 2 recent local cases where lenient juries wrongfully acquitted the offender.
Having a finding overturned doesn’t necessarily mean the person was wrongfully convicted..
That's EXACTLY what it means...
Sometimes it’s just a more lenient jury.
The appeals court is made up of judges - not a jury.. And, they grant new trials based on MISTAKE, not on how tough or lenient the sentence was..
Anecdotally, I’m aware of 2 recent local cases where lenient juries wrongfully acquitted the offender
How would you know that a jury wrongfully acquitted an offender??? Did the offender walk out of court and proclaim his GUILT??? Nahhh.. Did the jury say they KNEW he was guilty but felt sorry for him?? Nahh.. Plus, IF a jury found somebody INNOCENT after a trial, then according to our system, he IS innocent..
Finally, IF a jury acquits someone KNOWING that he committed the offense, that's called jury nullification. It's LEGAL, and a very American thing for juries to do..
You suppose the system is only imperfect on conviction? No, that’s NOT what that means
The appeals court is made up of judges - not a jury.. And, they grant new trials based on MISTAKE, not on how tough or lenient the sentence was..
“After a criminal trial ends in a conviction, the defendant can file a motion for a new trial. Courts grant these—though rarely—to correct significant errors that happened during trial or if substantial new evidence of innocence comes to light.”
How would you know that a jury wrongfully acquitted an offender?
Because I know why the jury decided to find “not guilty”, and it wasn’t because the person was not guilty.
IF a jury found somebody INNOCENT after a trial, then according to our system, he IS innocent..
People are found “not guilty”, they aren’t found “innocent”. And again, if you think a finding of not guilty is 100% valid, but findings of guilt are not, you’re inconsistently naive.
IF a jury acquits someone KNOWING that he committed the offense, that's called jury nullification. It's LEGAL
I didn’t say it was illegal. You know that an incorrect finding of guilt is also legal right? Are system doesn’t allow for a “guilt project” for retrying those wrongly acquitted. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.
Anecdotally, I’m aware of 2 recent local cases where lenient juries wrongfully acquitted the offender.
Don't use the word anecdote as an adverb. That's dumb as fuck. You definitely strike me as someone who has learned English as a second or third language, so I hope for your sake I'm correct.
“you need to understand that this is an example of a sentence adverb, not an adverb of manner or an intensifier. That means that it applies not to a single verb, adjective, other adverb, or preposition, but rather to the entire sentence as a single syntactic constituent.”
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So we would look at the LEFTIST from the STATE OF WASHINGTON as if the IDIOT might know something ! OKAY IDIOT do tell how many INNOCENT PEOPLE are in JAIL and PUKE up some facts for us if you will !!!!!!!!!!!!!
People who support abortion but hate the death penalty, are fucking hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
