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Trump is sayng what I have said many times. He says, don't drink & never become addicted.
Donald Trump's brother died from alcoholism, and guess what? He does not blame the alcohol, nor the gene that might make some people more susceptible to alcoholism. Trump says it like it is. He says choose not to drink! He told all his children many times not to drink, take drugs, or smoke. Common sense!
I love hearing people speak the obvious truth. This honesty was once common place in America. This Progressive political correct no fault mentality is truly responsible for creating more harm and addiction to millions of people every year.
How many times do we now hear from those on the Left, that it is not your fault if you become an alcoholic, or drug addict, etc. They say it is a diseases and not your fault!
TALK ABOUT PURE NO FAULT DENIAL OF THE SIMPLE TRUTH. Those on the Left are so insecure with any mention of personal responsibility and accountability, that they would sooner watch our children destroy their lives rather than speak the truth of the many benefits of moral responsibility.
It most definitely is your choice of maybe becoming an alocoholic the very first time you choose to drink. No one forced you to take that first drink, and by choosing not to drink means you will NEVER become an alocoholic.... so therefore it is not a disease. You do have control over your life and addictions.
Yes, maybe some people have a gene that would make them more receptive to alcoholism. Who knows? If that is true, this gene is not a disease and will never harm you if you choose not to drink. THIS IS COMMON SENSE LOST ON LIBERALS!
This same political correct denial of the consequences from irresponsibility is witnessed in most areas of our culture.
Look at the number of broken homes with children being raised with no fathers in the house. HELLO? This simple fact is responsible for most of our nations problems whether it be welfare roles filled with unwed mothers and their children, or kids joining gangs looking for some semblance of a family, or kids getting hooked on drugs, alcohol, cigarrettes, etc.
Why is it the Left refuses to speak to moral values that would protect our children from harm? Ask yourself why they are so totally insecure, and refuse to speak to personal responsibility. They hate the thought of being blamed for anything! They want no one ever saying that they chose to do irresponsible things, and that it was THEIR FAULT.
Aids was a perfect example of denial to ones personal responsibility for getting Aids. It was a disease that could have been better controlled. The Left watched as millions of people died, and sayng little about the personal choices causing it. They mostly spoke of finding a cure rather than also speaking to the personal irresponsible choices spreadng the disease.
They should have been constantly telling everyone how not to get aids. They should have said you will most likely never get aids, if you don't have sex with someone you don't know is committed to you, or if you don't take illegal drugs, and if you make sure the blood you get in surgery is safe. Its that simple. If you choose to sleep around with strangers, or take illegal drugs, you are playing russian roulette.
Yes, many people got aids when it was not their choice or fault, but rather they acquired it from others who were irresponsible. Those who were selling their tainted blood for money to buy drugs should have been shamed. Those who cheated on their spouse should have been shamed, but as always, the Left refused to speak to irresponsibility.
The insecure Left would watch our children destroy their lives with their refusal to admit our accountability for our own choices. It's the no fault generation and the saddest thing about it? They still refuse to admit it after witnessing the results for decades.
Democrats refused to simply tell Black people that the broken family is the core problem in their communities. It's not the white man!
Now those on the Left will always make the same pathetic excuses to why they refuse to shame irresponsibility. They say there are people who will live irresponsibly no matter what you say to them. YES THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SELFISH IDIOTS BUT GUESS WHAT?
We need more common sense in our nation and maybe Trump will have the guts to speak the simple truth.
I agree to the general principle that people are responsible for their own actions. Who we are is in fact the sum total of all the decisions that have been made in our lives.
I also believe we are human beings. People make mistakes and then if they're smart they learn from them.
Sometimes people need a little help along the way. My objection to people who boldly declare "it's your own dang fault" is it's cold and heartless and fails to acknowledge the complexity of human life.
Good for Trump to not drink. Personally I do drink, but not to excess, not to damage myself or lose control. And why? Because I do hold myself personally responsible for what results.
This personal responsibility, by the way also ties to how we talk and treat other people. I try to follow the golden rule. I don't believe Trump can honestly say that. Nor do I think the conservatives on this site fairly could.
I nearly always agree with everything you've posted and this is no different. Some people do need a little help along the way, and sometimes addictions just happen. A few examples.
My father smoked. A lot. He was born in a time when it was the "cool" thing to do and the health risks weren't known. As he got older his addiction was full blown and he needed help to get it under control. He ended up passing away from that addiction before much help was available and honestly he didn't want to try to stop to begin with.
Another example. I destroyed my back a few years ago and they put me on some serious pain killers. The path to addiction is so very easy to take if you aren't careful. Now after only a few times using the medicine a few years ago I take great care to mention to my doctors that I can't be prescribed any form of opiates for pain. That doesn't mean I don't some days think of ways to get my hands on the drugs or wish I could get that glorious feeling again. It's a hard fight and not everyone has the support structure they need to be able to fight an addiction.
This "well it's your own fault for trying it to begin with" is utter nonsense and lacks the basic fundamentals of compassion that people SHOULD have. If you haven't walked in their shoes you can't accurately judge so just try to be a decent human being.
There in lies the problem with people on the Left such as yourself.
You care more for offending those living irresponsibly, than you care for all the people whose lives have not yet been ruined. People like you refuse to warn them of the irresponsibility of certian choices that could harm them and others.
Your answers are mainly focusing on safe sex, safe drug needles, etc. rather than saying don't be sleeping around with strangers, don't be having one night hookups, don't be taking illegal drugs, getting addicted, spreading Aids, etc. etc.
It's not just educating people how to safely be irresponsible. It's teaching them NOT TO BE IRRESPONSIBLE!
This is one of the core problems I have with Progressives. They care so much more for those who have already ruined their family's lives with irresponsiblity, then they care about thse who have not yet done so.
My goal is to go back to a culture that cares for the people BEFORE they screw up their lives. The goal should always be to prevent the irresponsible choices in the first place!
I also have empathy for those who chose to make irresponsible choices (mistakes as you call them) and created many hardships for themselves and their families. We have safety nets for these people, but what I want to focus more on is teaching our children the dangers of irresponsibile choices, BEFORE THEY ARE MADE!
Gee, what a novel idea. Imagine all the lives helped if the parents were not drug addicts in the first place. Your priorities is putting bandaids on the dysfunctional families after the fact. Case workers make terrible parents.
I wish Liberals were not so insecure to fear being shamed from irresponsible choices they may have made.
One of the biggest problem in this nation is insecurity. Americans are becoming a bunch of dysfunctional political correct basket cases living in fear of someone shining a light on their irresponsibility.
We need to go back to a time when people were more humble and willing to admit their faults rather than judging anyone speaking to irresponsibility.
Progressives are teaching our children that they are perfect just the way they are rather than admitting we all have room to grow and improve.
Nonsense. You respond to my expression of compassion for humanity with anger and mockery, which is a reflection of the person who you are.
Furthermore, you group anyone who disagrees with you as left or progressive. You are utterly unable to view any middle as existing. Which means you've labelled the entire world as the problem accept for the segment of extreme conservatives just like yourself.
And as should be expected you see zero value in my nods to personal responsibility, you simply smear it into the same rant against people who would say the opposite.
Your nods to personal responsibility ARE ALWAYS followed by........ why that should not be the focus. You sound like every Liberal I have ever debated.
YOU ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO SPEAK TO THE IRRESPONSIBILITY IN OUR NATION WITHOUT ENDING IT WITH LIBERAL BLEEDING HEART ANYTHING GOES NO FAULT RHETORIC!
Try it just once. Take your first sentences agreeing with the breakdown in our moral vlaues, AND END IT! Try it just once in your life.
If you agree we need more responsibility in our nation's culture, DON'T BE ASHAMED OF SAYING IT WITHOUT ALWAYS SAYING .....BUT
No, my comments are thoughtful and measured while yours are harsh and spiteful. I don't write and speak like you because I will never be you. And that doesn't make me a liberal or progressive or immoral, it makes me like the rest on this site who simply disagree with what you stand for and how you promote it.
You are showing what a judgemental hypocrite you are. You have insulted me a number of times with your superior self absorbed so called compassion for all those people hurting our children by living irresponsibly. You lack the very compassion for our children you say you possess for others.
That's the problem with ultra Liberals like yourself. YOU ARE BLIND TO YOUR OWN INTOLERANCE AND CLOSED MINDEDNESS OF CONSERVATIVES WHO DARE TO CARE FOR SO MANY OF OUR CHILDREN WHOSE LIVES ARE HARMED BY THOSE LIVING IRRESPONSIBLY.
I know I will be banned for this but this argument is dedicated to your love and admiration for honesty.
I, like my fellow French, am not a very big fan of political correctness. I am sure you've heard about our beloved Charlie Hebdo: symbol of our freedom of speech. Although, they suffered a violent attack in 2015, it did not stop them from daily sodomizing political correctness.
Anyway, so, my response to Trump's and your words : "If you don't drink, you will never become an alcoholic" is "Here lies the Seigneur de La Palice: If he weren't dead, he would still be alive."
Do you know what a Lapalissade is? It is similar to a platitude but more subtle. Trump is the king of lapalissade.
Putting that aside, yes if you don't drink you will not become alcoholic. Also, if you don't have sex, you won't get pregnant. I agree that there are kids who don't know this... I also agree that they should learn about the consequences of their actions. That every actions has its risk that could be life changing or fatal.
I don't necessarily believe that the Left take away responsibility. I believe that they are refusing to judge. The result is the same though. It does make them soft, I agree.
Their point of view is more like "who am I to judge someone's choice?" I am not saying there is any excuse for alcoholism but there is a reason. People don't do things for no reason. That is absurd and could you imagine. Our World would be chaos.
AIDS can be transmitted by a mosquito. Why should we not find a cure for AIDS? I didn't really understand that argument. Why are you reproaching the Left for insisting on finding a cure for AIDS?
And finally: no sex, no drug, no cigarettes, no driving, no walking, no swimming, no surfing, no kissing, no hugging, no running, no reading, no skating, no hiking, no breathing, no flying, no eating, no studying, no spending, no science, no religion... Everything has a risk. Responsibility isn't about not doing the risky things. Responsibility is being aware of the risks and managing them reasonably.
First off, I NEVER SAID WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING OUR BEST FINDING CURES FOR AIDS! Stop being deceptive! I said that was their main focus rather than also doing all in their power tryng to prevent the spread. The irresponsible choices spreading Aids should have been shamed NON STOP!
Second, you are so blind if you don't think the Left judges people. They are the biggest judges in the world against Conservatives and Christians.
Maybe you miss the numbers of Liberals on this site who judge me with every conservative debate I create.
The hypocrisy of the judgementa Left is one of their biggest denials. They are such narcissistic people living in delusion of their own supposed compassion for people. That compassion is only shown to those living irresponsibly. There is no compassion for all the future victims of that irresponsibiity. The children?
Progressives are anything but compassionate or forgiving to anyone who dares speak to moral values.
They hate the very mention of moral values. They have ZERO TOLERANCE for anyone speaking to moral values.
I say again, and maybe you possess the intellect to get it, that Liberals sentence millions of children to troubled lives by not shaming all the irresponsible people.
I didn't say they were not judgmental. At least it is not what I meant. On that aspect, they are just as much as republicans. I was saying that on the issues you pointing out, they decided not to be judgemental.
I say again, and maybe you possess the intellect to get it, that Liberals sentence millions of children to troubled lives by not shaming all the irresponsible people.
What do you mean by shaming? Could I have an example of shaming?
If you have ever been a parent, do you ever shame your child for bad behavior?
If you were in a public place and your child called some strange lady fat, or made fun of some special needs person for sounding funny, what would you do?
Would you make him feel ashamed for what he said, and thereby teaching him valuable lessons so he never says those types of things again?
Most good parents would shame the child so as prevent future repeats of such insults.
By shaming those who were living promiscuous lifestyles and spreading Aids, we could have spared lives.
By shaming one night hook ups, that create unwanted pregnancies, we might cut down on the numbers of fatherless children.
By shaming those who take illegal drugs, we might cut down on addicts who are such a burden on our families and society.
Are you starting to get the obvious point? The point Liberals hate to admit. Shaming irresponsible choices or behavior does help prevent future occurences of the same behavior.
The only question is...... why do Progressives so fear hearing worlds of accountability, responsibiity, morality, etc.?
I have given that answer many times. The majority of Liberals are at war with our nation's Christian heritage. Because of this, they hate it when people speak to morality or responsibility, because these things represent what our traditional American values system spoke to all the time.
Progressives have a mentality whereby people can live any irresponsible lifestyle they want without anyone shaming their choices.
No one wants moral laws, or big Government telling people what they can do in their bedrooms. What Conservatives and Christians want is to shame behaviors that hurt our children, and our society with huge social costs.
You are pointed out something that people ( I would not generalize and say progressive because I don't have statistical or factual proof) do not like discussing morality. It is a very interesting point. Why?
Maybe it is the Christian thing. I hope not because that would be a very stupid reason to fear the discussion of morality.
I believe that morality very much depends on culture. Since, the United States is a cultural melting pot, people are going to have different moral values. Unless you believe that there are moral values better than others, discussing morality is difficult. That is probably why some people feel uneasy when talking about morality. I agree that when living a society there should be rules based on shared moral values. For the moral values that are not inscribed in the law, what should force people to follow your moral values?
There is also something about morality that turns our world black and white. Is having a lot of sex bad? Yes it dangerous for your health and those around you if you don't protect yourself. No, it is not if you protect yourself. Is drinking bad? Yes, if you drink too much and everyday. No, if you do it sometimes. Like there is no harm drinking a glass if wine with your meal. The only thing I see as black and white is : Is smoking tobacco bad? Yes, it kills you. It could influence your children. It can end your pregnancy. The only possible no i could think of is that it relaxes you? I don't know. In that sens maybe discussing morality is difficult and maybe even useless because:
(1) Morality is cultural and therefore completely relative.
(2) Morality does provide a solid basis for decisions. But in life, morality is absurd. Life is not black and white. Can you say killing is bad and also support the troops?
You have been conditioned well by the Left. For any person to say society should not lifting up common sense moral values is ludicrous and the reason why our families are so broken.
Society should merely be showing how they are common sense - it has no duty beyond that.
Any further shaming attempts are just annoyances. You really believe we can improve morality just by shaming people into thinking they're wrong? That any attempts to deviate from the norms decided by your ancient masters ought to be shameful?
To add to that, there is another misinterpretation (you're conditioned rather well.) The liberal approach is to let the deviations see their results themselves and learn from it. You are, of course, free to explain whatever you understand to others, but not to force it.
Families would be broken by any clashes - it is idiotic to blame any one hand for the sound of clapping.
Your's is the no fault progressive mindset. It's no one's fault and is just annoyance when people shine a light on your indiscretions. It's none of our business no matter how much harm to families and society, right?
You say just let us destroy our children's lives and we might someday learn from it?
LOLOLOLOLOL, funny how your anything goes mentality is ignored by the Left when it comes to political correctness. Then you are all over every single little thing you believe is not politically correct.
Not like you conservatives want to stick in the stone age (before fire).
You'd be the hypocrites for using advances before your birth and then discouraging any attempts of more.
Your morality is merely to follow your masters like zombies, and to punish any attempts you find of deviation.
But, you know, I'd let you continue on the path and destroy yourselves if you weren't forcing these things on others. That's outside the limits - it doesn't matter whether calling it political correctness makes you feel better or not.
Yes, it was obvious months earlier that he would win. You could have seen it on his face, that he has come here and will be winning. If he were a bit smarter, the margin could be greater.
Those would be your attempts at political correctness, or rather, what has become of it, that ought to be criticised. Letting people make their own decisions does not equal to having them behave as irrationally as possible - they must first learn to think, or destroy themselves.
If the conservatives don't let the first option be available, then the second one is also fine. They'll be the ones to learn the lesson, much better than they could by being shamed.
We both have the same end in mind, but my means are more effective and stable.
(Also, you're the one praising him here, just like you would have been conditioned to praise your masters.)
I praise the American people who did not elect a corrupt criminal Hillary Clinton. The Democrat Party believed the electorate had been conditioned to elect a Liberal no matter how corrupt they are.
THE DEMOCRAT PARTY WAS WRONG! I've never been more proud of the Americans who refused to vote for these extremist Liberals.
No, because our nation's debt has doubled, our manufacturing moved overseas, our welfare roles swollen, our famiies broken.
Sure the people finally wake up to the obvious failures of this extreme Liberal Democrat Party but our nation and it's people are damaged for decades in the mean time.
My answer is to use the brain we all possess and think before touching that hot iron. Think before electing that extremist and just maybe we can be spared all the misery from the obvious damage from this no fault culture.
It is about having people learn about faults by themselves, rather than believing their masters like zombies.
They have filled your ears with bad things about us. Because they know that if you listen and think, you won't obey them so enthusiastically. That's why shaming is among their favourite methods.
I'd rather make people be forced to think properly. That's how progress takes place. You want a tyrannical master to have your values frozen in time - just like in Islamic State.
We are through here. You have no idea what you are talking about. I never sid Government should be forcing anything on anyone. I said our society as a whole should be shaming irrsponsible behavior.
THAT'S CALLED SANITY! It's not forcing certain behavior. It's shaming irresponsible behavior that hurts us all!
We have a right to shame behavior that costs us all money through our taxes when bailing out irresponsibility through welfare programs, school loan bailouts, etc. etc.
You would censor those who pay the bills of the irresponsible. I believe you are probably one of theo people who want others to constantly bail you out.
We the tax payers have every right to shame people who cost us our hard earned money!
As I said, I'd let you all go extinct by yourselves if it weren't for you forcing these things on others.
As to having rights by your role, you are merely pawns in the passage of history. It is not under your natural rights to hamper its progress.
Your tax is a contract, for your protection against many things. If anything obstructs your protection, then you can invoke the contract.
With that, I ask again, what do you think 'shaming' consists of, such that it violates no one else's contract to protection and is entirely different from forcing any behaviour?
Do fools think we shoud not shame cruelty to animals, bullying kids, racism, smoking, drunk driving, speeding, etc., etc.
Are you a fool or are you a total hypocrite who agrees with shaming some things but not others.
Gee, kids have been bullied since time began and no one ever wakes up one day and sees the meanness. GO FIGURE!
People have been drunk driving since we built cars. I guess we should not shame that behavior either. We should just let all people live as irresponsibly as they want and according to idiots, we will all wake up one day and learn from the bad things people do.
You can do that. Something better than you will replace you, and I'll be having the last laugh.
That's how it works, because that's how it ought to work. The best you can do while conserving those ancient ideals is to delay the history a little. Not really worth the stakes.
Gee, kids have been bullied since time began and no one ever wakes up one day and sees the meanness. GO FIGURE!
If you believe that unnecessary harm comes from it, then it is a violation of the contract. You can punish such behaviour.
But, seriously, what do you think shaming consists of?
Ancient ideas? LOL, I guess insecure people can't quite hold onto what we know works from the past, and fix the things that don't work.
Speaking to moral values 60 years ago WORKED! There were far fewer broken families, far fewer people needing to live off others, far fewer divorces, far fewer abortions, far fewer drug addicts, etc. etc. etc.
Thise stupid ancient people just did not understand how Progressive thought would make everything better. Just ignore the statistics, throw out the ancient values that actually worked, and allow the anything goes no fault culture take over. Never learn from the past. TRANSFORM IT NO MATTER THE HARM TO FAMILIES!
And when it all comes crashing down around us, there will be fools who will say....SEE HOW IT WORKS? These fools will lack the common sense intelligence to ALWAYS HOLD ONTO what we know works from history.
Progressives are bigoted insecure people who must transfrom every aspect of our Christian heritage NO MATTER the many good things it did for society.
Things like slavery ended because the love of Christians spoke louder than the hate of racists.
There seems to be little more than 'lol' you can say.
Except that we're all hypocrites.
You've been feeding the worthless ideas on borrowed time, and now that is over, are just playing with the blame.
Because you think that irrational zombies form the perfect population.
Speaking to moral values 60 years ago WORKED!
Mine has been working for at least 2 billion years.
Things like slavery ended because the love of Christians spoke louder than the hate of racists.
Great, so you actually have no idea what you are speaking about.
There were far fewer broken families, far fewer people needing to live off others, far fewer divorces, far fewer abortions, far fewer drug addicts, etc. etc. etc.
If you were a bit more rational, it'd have lasted for longer.
You've never been rational, and are now scared of what will happen to your kind because your opponents can wield reason.
ALWAYS HOLD ONTO what we know works from history.
Good to know that you've never progressed from living in a cave. That, considering a majority of American population lives in artificially built houses, you don't actually represent an average person.
We are through here, it matters not what anyone says to you. You are the new enlightened progressive. The rest of us are deplorable and irredeemable.
How stupid of us not to get it. In the world of Progressives, up is down and we should ignore the statistics and embrace the irresponsible. That's as clear as mud. Have a great life.
Those who fail will wipe themselves out without interference, just like you will.
As a religious zombie, you might not understand, but that's how selection works.
I can recommend a book to you (that's rather short, easy to read and in public domain) that shows what a conservative society really works like (though that isn't a part of the description explicitly) - Anthem by Ayn Rand.
I never said that morality shouldn't be discussed. I was explaining the reason why people feel uncomfortable discussing it. What exactly in my reasoning do you disagree with ? Morality is relative ? Or morality depicts a black and white world?
I say again, and maybe you possess the intellect to get it, that Liberals sentence millions of children to troubled lives by not shaming all the irresponsible people.
What do you mean exactly by shaming? Could I have and example?
i think that political correctness and euphemisms are trash and weakens society and make everyone soft. political correctness hides the truth so you don't feel offended. new flash just because you are offended does not make you right and just because you are offended does not mean that you can verbally assault the other person who disagree with you. blunt honesty is one of the most admirable virtues a person can have in my mind
I agree, political correctness is so blind to the fixation of their ideology. They are narrow minded intolerant people who truly believe they have a right to tell us all how to think. They have zero tolerance for Conservative and Christian beliefs.
I realize you are fixated on finding fault rather than ever understanding the OBVIOUS POINT!
So called safe sex (sex with strangers is never safe no matter if you use condoms or not) is the only way the Left ever addresses a problem, whether it concerns pregnancy, Aids, unwed mothers on welfare, etc.
Sex ed. is fine for those who want it but is is only one part of the answer.
Our nation also needs to state the obvious for the sake of our young people and anyone who does not understand the obvious.......
If you don't sleep around or take illegal drugs, you won't get pregnant or get Aids.
If you don't drink, you will NEVER become an alcoholic!
If you don't take drugs, you will never become addicted!
If you don't take out huge College loans or buy homes you can't afford, you will not fall into huge debt problems!
These things were once common place messages to all Americans. IT WORKED!
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to have sex, THEY TOLD THEM DON'T HAVE SEX! Teaching a child how to have sex is giving them permission to do so.
Yes, I understand teenagers should have access to sex ed., but this is not the only answer to the problem.
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to take drugs. They said DON'T TAKE DRUGS!
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to smoke. They said DON'T SMOKE!
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to speed in cars. They said DON'T SPEED!
Can you grasp the simple fact that we as a nation need to do much more than teach the safe way of living irresponsibly.
We must also state the OBVIOUS to people who would choose to do irresponsible things.
We as a nation must always shame harmful dangerous irresponsible choices.
Even if you did get it, you would never admit it. This is why you most times get banned. You always convienently miss the point so that you can insult my message.
Hogwash. You have been indoctrinated by the Left to hate hearing any mention of irresponsibility and immoral choices.
THAT IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THE PROBLEM!
People should once again be shamed for irresponsibility just as the Left does when they shame people who do not take good care of their pets, or shame speech that is not politically correct, etc.
The Left shames people all the time when it comes to issues they care about, but when it comes to important issues of broken families, unwed pregnancies, spreading of Aids, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. etc. they refuse to shame the behavior creating a these problems.
Obviously you have een drinking the progressive coolaide. Try looking at our nation since the Progressive Left started changing our culture.
If you were honest, you would see the numbers of broken familes, the numbers of unwed mothers, the number of gangs, etc. are much worse then when America actually dared to speak to moral values, more so than speaking to safe irresponsibility.
You are 100% wrong about the benefits from the Progressive's way of handling our many social problems in this nation.
You actually don't know how not to get Aids? LOL, it's called living responsibly and not choosing irresponsible dangerous behavior.
Why is it you are so much in denial of the benefits of the personal responsibility of refraining from dangerous behavior? That is everyone's best chance to never get Aids!
it's called living responsibly and not choosing irresponsible dangerous behavior.
But then that's not even a guarantee that you won't get it. If the doctor's office doesn't practice safe procedures and they accidentally use a needle that was previously used there is a chance it can be transmitted. It's very low but it's still a chance.
People working in the health care industry have to be very careful of their patient, bite marks, blood sharing from open wounds, blood splash....all require procedures to prevent and again, it may be a small chance but it's still a chance.
You could be a loyal significant other, be it wife or husband. But if your partner isn't and you aren't aware or suspecting of them they could bring it to you as well. You're not engaging in dangerous behavior but the person you trusted is.
I've already addressed that some people are victims to other people living irresponsibly. There will always be rare instances of contracting dieseases such as Aids(through no fault of their own and another reason why we all hope for a cure), but for now, the inteligent and copassionate thing we should be doing is slowing the spread of the disease through speaking common sense to people.
If we truly are a compassionate loving people who care for other's, we should be shaming the behavior that causes Aids 99.9% of the time.
What ever happened to the common sense wisdom of telling people not to touch a hot iron or they will get burnt?
Should we be focusing more on finding a cure to burns rather than simply telling people...DON'T TOUCH A HOT IRON!
If we truly are a compassionate loving people who care for other's, we should be shaming the behavior that causes Aids 99.9% of the time.
I agree we need to teach better morals, but we must make the distinction of shaming improper behavior from shaming the person, otherwise that is less compassion, more high handed attitude. People make mistakes, it's a part of life. I'd rather see both a cure and educated people.
We have the cure for burns, in fact it's rather fascinating that we have the ability now to see about using stem cells to generate new skin growth over burn victims. Sure don't touch the iron but keep growing as a society to be able to help others who make stupid mistakes.
You see how indoctrinated you have become to hate hearing any mention of shaming people for their irresponsible behaviors. The Left has done a bang up job with their no fault anything goes ideology.
They have made the person who would shame irresponsible behavior as the bad guys.
You care more not to offend irresponsible people for their choices(not mistakes), then you care about their victims who did not deserve what the irresponsible people put upon them.
Look at the miserable lives of children living on welfare with no fathers at home. Those children did not ask for their mother's to be promiscuous with dead beat men who walk away from their children.
Those mothers and fathers should be shamed for the one reason of cutting down on the millions of abandoned children in this nation. Shaming works as we have seen with shaming smoking, shaming cruelty to animals, etc. etc.
Actually I think irresponsible behavior should be pointed out, but compassion trumps the effort to suggest one person is better than another, which is essentially what a person who seeks to shame others does.
Those children did not ask for their mother's to be promiscuous with dead beat men who walk away from their children.
And most of those women probably didn't think the man they were together with would turn tail and run in the worst case scenario, the other scenario is that, you know, the poor guy died, leaving her a widow.
But yes, I think a man that runs from his creation should be shamed. At least the woman is trying to raise her children, OR vice versa, if it's the man trying to raise the child because the woman ran. Yes, that should be frowned upon.
Your one statement I disagree with is when you say if a society shames irresponsible choices from others, it is some how suggesting we are all better than the people getting shamed.
This has been the biggest deception used by the Left to silence any speech concerning morals and responsibility.
This one notion whereby it is judgemental for people to speak of irresponsibile behaviors by others, is the single biggest cause of our degrading culture. I'm not talking about judging people by name, but rather judging the behavior. Huge difference!
Now let me ask you a simple question. Do we as parents refrain from teaching our children right from wrong if we ourselves are not perfect? Of course not! We still teach our children what we know is best for their lives, in the hopes they do not make the same irresponsible choices.
If a Parent took illegal drugs once before, should he not teach his children how irresponsible it is to take illegal drugs?
None of us are perfect and never will be. To suggest we must all be slilent to irresponsibility, if at one point we were also irresponsible, is a recipe for the culture of broken families we are witnessing.
This is what Progressives want you to believe. They are very insecure people who can not stand to have their faults mentioned. They go so far as to deny the irresponsibility of their choices. To them, living promiscuous lives is not even a fault. To them it is just human nature to sleep around while totally ignoring the harm to our children.
Let me give you an example of how this no fault mentality has permeated even our Churches.
These last few decades, I have noticed where sermons in some Churches today are speaking less on moral issues compared to years past. I believe this is happening because many of the Church members no longer like hearing mention of sins or irresponsibility. It may be hitting a nerve with some sins they may have committed.
When we as a people become so insecure with our own personal failures, that we must silence others who speak to these issues, we as a culture will fall.
Here's an example......
In this culture today, there are many people who have been divorced. In years past, a Church member would not expect a Church to refrain from speaking to sins such as divorce, even if he personally had a divorce.
Christians understood that if they had a past sin of divorcing their spouse, this does not mean they should expect the Pastor to refrain from speaking to the sin of divorce today.
Christians understand that we should not be so insecure to have past sins spoken to in Church. Our hopes should be that no one else falls into the same sin in the future.
We as a culture should not silence speech concerning responsibility so as not to offend others. We should always lift up responsible values for the sake of our children and society, and admit when we have chosen to live irresponsibly.
Personal accountability is a lost virtue in today's anything goes no fault culture.
It should always be ok to admit our falures and be willing to see irresponsible behaviors shamed, for the sake of our children.
Do we as parents refrain from teaching our children right from wrong if we ourselves are not perfect? Of course not! We still teach our children what we know is best for their lives, in the hopes they do not make the same irresponsible choices.
Of course we do. But we as parents would not focus on shaming our children over showing compassion if they messed up. Yes, correction is needed, talking to them and telling them what they did is wrong is important but when they are at a low you must show that forgiveness is there, that they are still loved, still valuable and as a unit we will fix it.
I personally don''t have an issue with divorce if there is sufficient reason. I think some people take a quick way out instead of working things through but that's up to them, not to us. We don't know what's going on behind closed doors and we've never walked in their shoes so I can't and won't judge them for it. If they are truly unhappy then they shouldn't be shamed for trying to find a better place for themselves.
You keep bringing more deceptive excuses into your argument. No one ever said we should not be compassionate to those who messed up their lives. I am comppassionate to those who messed up their lives, but guess what? I care more for their victims who never did anything irresponsible. THE CHILDREN?
I am saying we should be shamng the BEHAVIOR! Can you stop being deceptive and saying I want to judge Jane Doe for xy & z?
It's the harmful behavior that society should be shaming! HOW MANY TIMES MUST I SAY IT?
The reason you keep going their is because you know I am right but you must still somehow deny it. This is what Progrssives do.
You can not simply admit that society should be shaming irresponsible behavior that hurts so many others.
I was using divorce as an example of a sin in the Bible to explain how even Churches are becoming politically correct and afraid of shaming sins.
The harmful behavior that society should be shaming....Ok.
Say a husband and wife divorce. On the outside you simply see that the child is suffering. You see the child as the victim. So you shame the parents. On the inside, let's switch it up and say that the woman is abusing the man. He is leaving but the courts nearly always still give most children to the mother, so while he may be fighting for custody, on the outside you see only a single mother. How do you know who to shame in this instance if you don't know the circumstance. What business is it of yours to know their circumstance? Which behavior are you shaming, the behavior of the man who for what it seems left his wife and their children? Or do you feel you have the right to know what's going on inside their private lives to find out that it was a volatile relationship?
We can frown frowning upon certain behaviors, sure. Teaching otherwise, of course and teaching morals, yes. But who wants all of their business laid out to everyone else so they can decide which actions to shame?
Now, there are some instances where, absolutely there needs to be a part of society that says, "wait, no, you made this mess and now you deal with it" but it also starts with teaching that behavior is unacceptable. Example: (and it runs the risk of sounding racist but it's also accurate) There is a large group of black men who have zero to do with raising their family. And it's a problem in a large area in a few locations. That's typically how they grew up, that's typically what they expect of themselves. They need to be taught otherwise. I say taught, not shamed. Yes shaming has its place but the start must be by teaching that these self-serving actions have negative repercussions down the line. We need to teach responsibility for many things, we do need to stop bailing people out willy-nilly when things get rough but that doesn't mean we need to stop helping them.
It's all semantics. You just said we should treach fathers who walk out on their children that their actions are self serving and unacceptable. THAT'S SHAMING!
QUIT TWISTING THE OBVIOUS WITH POLITICALLY CORRECT WORDING. Shaming people is the most important way of educating people!!!!!!!
Never speaking to the self serving unacceptable actions of dead beat father's IS NOT EDUCATING THEM!
You must get over your indoctrinated politically correct fear of speaking to moral values, responsibility for one's choices, etc.
You so fear the simple tool of shaming irresponsible behavior because you have been programmed to fear it. It's a war against common sense Christian values. Those on the Left would sooner see our society crumble rather than speak the truth.
Yes, there are many reasons for divorce and unless we know the detils, no one can be sure whose at fault.
I'm not talking about shaming all divorce, just the ones where one selfish spouse cheats on another and abandons their family for no good reason. We as a a people are smart enough to discern the difference. Again I say, we should shame the behavior, not individual people because as you say, no one knows all the facts.
I'm not talking about shaming all divorce, just the ones where one selfish spouse cheats on another and abandons their family for no good reason. We as a a people are smart enough to discern the difference. Again I say, we should shame the behavior, not individual people because as you say, no one knows all the facts.
I don't 100% agree but I think we agree partially with each other so that's nice.
You must get over your indoctrinated politically correct fear of speaking to moral values, responsibility for one's choices, etc.
My indoctrinated politically....uhhhh huhhh. Wanting to focus on showing compassion to others instead of just shaming isn't PC. If you want to suggest something is all semantics to work for you then why wouldn't it just be semantics for other people as opposed to some nonsense attempt at being politically correct, or liberal or whatever you want to say they are?
Honestly that doesn't even matter, I see where you're coming from, I don't agree with it 100% but at least we can agree that teaching morals and showing compassion isn't a bad thing.
But, you probably don't understand. Everyone already knows that.
In fact, I'd consider him to be trolling by such an advice. Or that he isn't smart enough to guess how obvious it is. The only other case would be that this is the first time this problem is seen in your country and absolutely nothing was ever done to reduce its use.
So called safe sex (sex with strangers is never safe no matter if you use condoms or not) is the only way the Left ever addresses a problem, whether it concerns pregnancy, Aids, unwed mothers on welfare, etc.
Sex ed. is fine for those who want it but is is only one part of the answer.
Our nation also needs to state the obvious for the sake of our young people and anyone who does not understand the obvious.......
If you don't sleep around or take illegal drugs, you won't get pregnant or get Aids.
If you don't drink, you will NEVER become an alcoholic!
If you don't take drugs, you will never become addicted!
If you don't take out huge College loans or buy homes you can't afford, you will not fall into huge debt problems!
These things were once common place messages to all Americans. IT WORKED!
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to have sex, THEY TOLD THEM DON'T HAVE SEX! Teaching a child how to have sex is giving them permission to do so.
Yes, I understand teenagers should have access to sex ed., but this is not the only answer to the problem.
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to take drugs. They said DON'T TAKE DRUGS!
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to smoke. They said DON'T SMOKE!
Parents did not teach their kids the safe way to speed in cars. They said DON'T SPEED!
Can you grasp the simple fact that we as a nation need to do much more than teach the safe way of living irresponsibly.
We must also state the OBVIOUS to people who would choose to do irresponsible things.
We as a nation must always shame harmful dangerous irresponsible choices.
First off, I NEVER SAID WE SHOULD NOT BE DOING OUR BEST FINDING CURES FOR AIDS! Stop being deceptive! I said that was their main focus rather than also doing all in their power tryng to prevent the spread. The irresponsible choices spreading Aids should have been shamed NON STOP!
Second, you are so blind if you don't think the Left judges people. They are the biggest judges in the world against Conservatives and Christians.
Maybe you miss the numbers of Liberals on this site who judge me with every conservative debate I create.
The hypocrisy of the judgementa Left is one of their biggest denials. They are such narcissistic people living in delusion of their own supposed compassion for people. That compassion is only shown to those living irresponsibly. There is no compassion for all the future victims of that irresponsibiity. The children?
Progressives are anything but compassionate or forgiving to anyone who dares speak to moral values.
They hate the very mention of moral values. They have ZERO TOLERANCE for anyone speaking to moral values.
I say again, and maybe you possess the intellect to get it, that Liberals sentence millions of children to troubled lives by not shaming all the irresponsible people.
There is a difference between intelligence and education. You hate people who have an education, not people who are intelligent.
You support the party that votes against condoms and sex education. According to your own logic you are also against condoms and sex education. Also, not supporting condoms and sex education when it is needed means you don't support it. I am against all abortions, except the ones for women.
