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They HID like cowering dogs Armed TEACHERS would do better
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Turns out, 4 ARMED COPS showed up at the shooting.. What did THEY do??

Hello:

The argument that GOOD GUYS with guns will SAVE the day, doesn't appear to hold up under REAL life conditions.

excon

They HID like cowering dogs

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Armed TEACHERS would do better

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If the cops are "cowering dogs", I demand to be able to carry a weapon seeing the cops won't be protecting me. How do liberals expect cops to take a billion guns away from people in the U.S. if cops can't even take on a kid?

I bet it'll take them 1,000 years just to disarm MS-13, the Bloods, & the Crips. Hell they might disarm the cops & start policing places like Chicago themselves. Oh wait.

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
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It’s strange that when a cop does his job he is considered a murderous villain, but if he is a coward who fails to do his job, he is considered a good guy with a gun.

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
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@Amarel

but if he is a coward who fails to do his job, he is considered a good guy with a gun.

Yes--in this instance, there was an incompetent person(s) with a gun

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Incompetence would imply the deputies in question lacked the skill to go where they needed to go. Cowardice is more likely the cause of their inaction. A coward with a gun is not a good guy.

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better
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Super Stupid would you like to know where Sheriff Scott Israel is from ?

Israel comes to law enforcement through his family. He was raised in New York City, where his father was a homicide detective with the New York Police Department, the Miami Herald reported in a 2017 profile. On a visit to Florida in 1979, Israel on a whim filed out an application with the Fort Lauderdale Police Department. By the mid-1980s he was working as a narcotics detective.

Would you even wonder if the Progressive was running a PC correct police department ?

In office, he has been particularly outspoken about gun policy. In 2013, the Florida Sheriffs Association released a statement supporting the state’s stand-your-ground law following the 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin. Israel, however, broke from his fellow law enforcers, advocating for a narrower version of the law.

“The stand-your-ground law effectively tied the hands of the law enforcement investigation in George Zimmerman’s fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin — and it will continue to do so until this law is fixed,” he wrote in a commentary for the Sun-Sentinel.

Don't talk bad about your own party Super Stupid does not bode well for any insane comment you have !!!!!!

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
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Hello:

The argument that GOOD GUYS with guns will SAVE the day, doesn't appear to hold up under REAL life conditions.

excon

Are you back to the Obama talking point that the cops sworn to protect and serve acted stupidly there Dummy ?

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
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Let's go back to Old Crazy AL. Now that Dummy ranks right up there with you but i know he has surpassed you in stupidity !

And i quote Bowel AL - "It is likely that, had they heard hand gun fire, and not assault weapon fire, they would have entered. Obviously, they considered their chances of survival were quite small against that kind of firepower. Another reason to BAN them!"

Look right there Super Stupid the Good Guys with Guns were more concerned with their own lives then those of the students. What more can be said of the Stupidity of Progressives !

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
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I agree that those cops did not do their jobs to try and save lives inside the school.

Had they been in the school and being shot at by some nut job, they indeed would have returned fire! It's called self defense in order to save everyone's lives.

Teachers with guns could definitely save lives.

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better
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There should be a question mark after this category. It is likely that, had they heard hand gun fire, and not assault weapon fire, they would have entered. Obviously, they considered their chances of survival were quite small against that kind of firepower. Another reason to BAN them!

Similarly, can you guarantee that a teacher would not hide in a closet (like many did that had the chance)! First responders with bulletproof vests DID enter. By then the shooting had stopped. Teachers are human beings also. Many have their own children at home or in school and want to continue to be there for them! Who knows how each one will react when they KNOW they are outgunned! Many will hesitate to pull the trigger on another human being when the time comes, that may cost THEM their lives! Not ALL have an NRA bloodlust, even if they are NRA members.

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Now here we have Crazy AL with some really wild accusation(being he must tow the Party Line and Carry the Water) and i quote AL's blatant ignorance !

"It is likely that, had they heard hand gun fire, and not assault weapon fire, they would have entered. Obviously, they considered their chances of survival were quite small against that kind of firepower. Another reason to BAN them!"

AL you have to be the Most Ignorant Progressive alive !

The 4 officers were more concerned with their lives than those they are hired to serve and protect ? But we shall not forget that the Democrat from Florida said we can't make schools armed camps. Armed officers were there and it was their job to take down the shooter. The entire narrative fed to you by the Trough of Propaganda CNN is now coming unraveled !

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
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The 4 deputies staged outside with weapons drawn. This is much the same as the policy that allowed the Columbine shooting to go one longer than otherwise. It is likely due to outdated policy in the Sheriffs Dept and may have to do with what they considered city jurisdiction.

The School Resource Officer was one of those four Deputies. He resigned, and with good reason. A good guy with a gun, who fails to do his duty with that gun, is not really the good guy for the job. Just as guns don’t kill people, guns don’t save people. But they do give people a chance to save themselves or others.

No school shooter has ever been stopped by a good guy without a gun.

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better
NumberOne(422) Disputed
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No school shooter has ever been stopped by a good guy without a gun.

No school shooter has ever shot anybody without a gun, you backwards imbecile.

Honestly Amarel, it's like you exist only to abuse language.

Side: They HID like cowering dogs
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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The most deadly American school massacre that I cited earlier was primarily carried out with explosives.

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

2nd Amendment advocates do not want to maintain the rights of murderers. They want to maintain the rights of those who would stop them, like the NRA member who stopped the Church shooter in Texas.

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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Number 2 you are aware that the Progressive Sheriff Scott Israel failed his county right ?

And also failed the children of the high school !

Side: Armed TEACHERS would do better