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Yes lets arm the Kurds No. Stop arming muslims.
Debate Score:21
Arguments:19
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 Yes lets arm the Kurds (9)
 
 No. Stop arming muslims. (9)

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USA, France, Britain and Germany to arm the Kurds against ISIS. GOOD OR BAD?

USA, France, Britain and Germany to arm the Kurds against ISIS. 

 

The kurdish army, called "those who face death", are locked in a bloody war with ISIS "those kicked out of al queda for being too fanatical". ISIS have stomped all in their path, in Iraq, on the way to setting up their dream of a muslim caliphate across the whole region, right up until now. 

The kurds are the biggest ethnic group in the world without a homeland. They have one of the most unfortunate spots on the map, between Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria. Imagine Switzerland without the banks, surrounded by big nations in every direction. Now imagine these nations had eminity to the swiss. 

 

Unlike switzerland of course, the kurds have needed to develop a fierce reputation for their fighting capacity. Unlike a lot of militant islam, they arent really known for being religious zealots. They even have women fighters on the frontline, unlike a lot of muslim nations or indeed a few christian ones. 

Unfortunately for the kurds, ISIS had gotten hold of americas own toys, when they ransacked the basically shit, iraqi army. Kitted out with American military hardware, ISIS has been stomping everything in its path, and has now ran into a bloody war situation with a kurdish army, who are fighting completely out gunned. 

The kurds are known in the west for their kebab shops and 24 hour supermarkets. They have many populations in europe, going back the the first iraq war, when they stood with america against Saddam and got gassed for it. 

 

The kurds have a long history of siding with America in all things, and along with their bitter enemies Turkey, have been noted as one of the most reliable allies of the west in the middle east. 

 

 

Yes lets arm the Kurds

Side Score: 11
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No. Stop arming muslims.

Side Score: 10
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Fuck Turkey! Yeah.. they're in NATO but those assholes are getting more and more radical and may need to be kicked out of NATO at some point soon. The Kurds deserve our help.

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds

We have a few options, not just two. We can arm the Kurds, and risk them turning against Turkey. We can nuke the entire region (ISIS, Iraq and the Kurds) and let God sort them out. That's His job anyway. We can do nothing, wait until the dust settles and then go in and mop up.

Or we can wait for Obama to pick an option and then pick the opposite ;)

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds
Stickers(1037) Clarified
1 point

Of course, we have a ton of options on how to handle the whole conflict, but the crux of the matter is whether or not we arm them. Either we do, or we don't. I still say that it's better to arm the kurds then allow ISIS the chance to seriously mess things up.

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Whatever we do, it will have some unforseen or unexpected consequences. So.... it just doesn't matter ;)

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

Nuking anyone, nevermind our allies, isnt really an option.

Side: No. Stop arming muslims.

You have to make a game of it. You nuke them until they glow, then you shoot them in the dark ;)

Side: No. Stop arming muslims.
1 point

Kurds are probably the most loyal Arabs the US could ever have. I say it was a good move.

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds
2 points

Uh sounds a lot like what we did for Al Queda when Russia invaded Afghanistan and now with two sky scrapers down and thousands dead you'd think we would have learned.

Side: No. Stop arming muslims.
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
1 point

Nah, the Kurds don't do that crap. They are extremely loyal and have been... somewhat... an ally to the US since the beginning.

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds
bemagic15(531) Disputed
1 point

Yeah but we intervene with everything in one day they may get pissed and do something tragic and another war is started because of us being nosy.

Side: No. Stop arming muslims.
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

they aint all the same just because they are muslims...kurds are nationalists, not zealots. they aren't like the greatest nation on earth or something, but they are relatively straight forward, compatible with western mentality, and simple, hard working, fierce fighting, love their nation people. they are muslim, and obviously do believe in it, but at the same time they are very straight up, and personable in how they do things. in the london riots, the kurds were the ones outside their houses and establishments with meat cleavers and baseball bats defending their people, their property and their businesses. then when it was all over, they went back to work.

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds
bemagic15(531) Disputed
1 point

Not because because their Muslims I never said that I'm saying we get in everyone's business where we don't belong religion has nothing to do with it [I maybe Republican but I'm not racist, I know I am rare] I'm saying since the 20th century began we were the strongest country and we also started being nosy getting in no business we belonged in and now we have just getting out of a war that curiosity had no place going. Again not basing this on because they are Muslim basing it on that they a foreign organization that is getting stronger. The Kurds are not only Muslim though, they are multi-culturaled organazation like all modern countries but with a majority of Muslim which typically means nothing we're mainly Christian. All I am saying is arming civilians who will eventually think of us as a thorn in their side another tragedy may occur. Think of The U.S as a friend who helps you overcome depression but then you realize how annoying they are.

Side: No. Stop arming muslims.
1 point

I would not arm them, but help them with other stuff. The weapons we give them, will they probably use against other countries, e.g. Turkey. Then we have the problem and have to help Turkey against the people we helped with weapons..

We must help them, that's for sure. But we can help them with our own soldiers, just protect the civilians and advise the Iraq how to fight the ISIS.

Side: No. Stop arming muslims.
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

do turkey really want to be dealing with isis on their borders instead of kurdistan? it wont happen, but i dont think this is something turkey really want to have to deal with. more and more middle east issues are making Turkey and Kurdistan, uncomfortable allies.

Side: Yes lets arm the Kurds