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Venezuela practices what the dictionary says Socialism is
socialism noun so·cial·ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \ Definition of Socialism 1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
But, is your library socialism? Is it the trash collectors? Is it your food bank? Is the parks and recreation department?? Is it your fire department??
It's true.. These are not HUGE all in type socialism like you're alluding to, involving everyone and everything. You know, like Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea and many other failed socialistic states..
These programs, however, are LITTLE, TEENY, TINY pieces of socialism working well within the framework of a capitalistic nation.. In terms of socialism, size doesn't matter..
No. The Library doesn't produce anything, and some libraries are privately owned.
Is it the trash collectors?
No. The trash collectors don't produce anything, and some providers are privately owned.
Is it your food bank?
Food banks get their food from donations, a capitalist concept. Socialists would just take your monetary good without permission.
Is the parks and recreation department??
Parks don't produce any goods. They also are not obligated to let you on the grounds by any law.
Is it your fire department??
The fire department doesn't produce a good, relies on volunteers, and many are privatized because privatization is cheaper, more effective, and more efficient.
But, is your library socialism? Is it the trash collectors? Is it your food bank? Is the parks and recreation department?? Is it your fire department??
Notice the dictionary mentions nothing about public services because public services have nothing to do with Socialism.
It must really bug the hell out of you that some chump who fled the Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela...etc, knows more about Socialism than a 28-year-old 10th-year undergrad in gender studies from Santa Fe with a verified Twitter account.
Hmm.. Actually people in Venezuela do own their own property. I guess they're not socialist after all. Simple people need simple definitions I guess.. This time its not served you well.
Hmm.. Actually people in Venezuela do own their own property. I guess they're not socialist after all. Simple people need simple definitions I guess.. This time its not served you well.
Arag you got u some proof of the accusation u made ?
In 2015, Venezuela had over 100% inflation—the highest in the world and the highest in the country's history at that time. According to independent sources, the rate increased to 4,000% in 2017 with Venezuela spiraling into hyperinflation while the population poverty rate was between 76% and 87%.
“In Venezuela, just as it’s very difficult to say that there exists freedom of speech, it’s also hard to say that private property exists.
In theory there’s a constitutional norm protecting and defending private property, but in practice there’s no kind of judicial guarantee, because the Supreme Tribunal of Justice hasn’t issued a single sentence in the past nine years reversing the expropriation, occupation, or seizure of land or property. This doesn’t happen within a democratic society, and it shows us that there’s no guarantee for property, nor for any other human right.”
Yes I am sure the state can take away peoples property. Did you know this happens in many other countries too? Look up compulsory purchase order in the UK. The fact is people can and do own their own property.
Yes I am sure the state can take away peoples property. Did you know this happens in many other countries too? Look up compulsory purchase order in the UK. The fact is people can and do own their own property.
Following the 2008 economic crash, banks took away 1.2 million homes from American families. Why is it OK for banks to make people homeless but not OK for the government to make people homeless?
Have you ever heard of the phrase, "double standards"? Alternatively know as the core Conservative political philosophy?
In both the UK and Venezuela there is both a de facto and de jura right to property enforceable against other individuals. In both cases, if the state wants your land though you can have your right removed.
Their economy is dominated by their state owned oil industry.
No, it is not. Petroleum exports amounted to less than 16 percent of GDP in 2014. Read a fucking book. Preferably one which wasn't written by the American CIA.
Buoyed by a strong oil sector in the 1960s and 1970s, Venezuela's governments were able to maintain social harmony by spending fairly large amounts on public programs including health care, education, transport and food subsidies. Literacy and welfare programs benefited tremendously from these conditions.[39] Because of the oil wealth, Venezuelan workers "enjoyed the highest wages in Latin America".[40] This situation was reversed when oil prices collapsed during the 1980s.
So what caused each of these stunning socialist successes to eventually collapse? Well, the simple answer is that the capitalists who watched as the proletariat received free food, housing and healthcare by the millions, were fearful that citizens in other countries would catch on to the benefits of communism, and would seek to nationalize industries and end wage slavery. In addition, other capitalists looked on with greedy eyes as the natural resources of these countries were distributed to the proletariat. So, out of greed and fear, capitalists set about sabotaging these regimes by undermining their economies. In the case of Venezuela, oil companies and pro-capitalist governments collaborated to crash the price of oil, Venezuela’s main source of income. As a result, their economy has collapsed, and the consequence is what we see today.
Hmm.. Actually people in Venezuela do own their own property. I guess they're not socialist after all.
Venezuela is definitely a capitalist country. Conservatives like Bronto and Amarel are simply cheats and liars. The PotatoSalad, Spuds and ViceVega accounts all definitely belong to bronto (you can tell by the fake upvotes on their posts).
There's a great article about Venezuela's economy here:-
Notably, this anti-socialist narrative ignores the fact that Venezuela's economy continues to be more than 70% privately owned.
Article 112 of the Venezuelan Constitution guarantees ownership of private property. Venezuelans literally have as much legal right to own personal property as Americans do. If the government itself manipulates and sidesteps the law then that is not the fault of the Venezuelan legal system any more than it was the fault of the American legal system when Bush lied and cheated his way into two Middle Eastern profit wars.
Inflation in the embattled South American country could reach one million per cent by December, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned this week, reflecting an economic crisis comparable to Germany’s after the first world war and Zimbabwe’s at the beginning of the last decade.
The prediction marks a drastic jump from just last April when the IMF predicted inflation would reach a mere 13,000%.
Venezuela, which has the largest proven oil reserves on the planet, is in the midst of a five-year crisis that has left many of its people unable to afford food and medicine, with shelves bare in supermarkets. Crime rates continue to set records, with local residents fearful to leave the house at night.
NOM tell me again how the Socialist Nirvana is working ?????????
You’re hilarious Nom. Now tell us about the Soviet Capitalist Revolution.
“The ruling party's economic policies have expanded the state's role in the economy through expropriations of major enterprises, strict currency exchange and price controls that discourage private sector investment and production...”
“Under President Nicolas MADURO, the Venezuelan Government’s response to the economic crisis has been to increase state control over the economy and blame the private sector for shortages. MADURO has given authority for the production and distribution of basic goods to the military and to local socialist party member committees.”
LMFAO! Oh yes, the American CIA is internationally recognised for the quality of its "facts" about socialism and/or Communism. You're clearly just retarded, aren't you? You want "facts" about socialism so you source the literal arch nemesis of socialism. What a joke.
And you're a corrupt, dishonest little cretin Amarel.
Now tell us about the Soviet Capitalist Revolution.
Wtf? The Russian revolution happened in 1917 you fucking IDIOT. It is 101 years later.
Even FOX NEWS, very possibly the most biased source on planet Earth, concedes that Venezuela is capitalist. Ring THEM up and tell THEM they are hilarious, you utterly retarded Nazi imbecile.
Yet creating a socialist economy is one of Chavez's most elusive goals — a stark example of the disconnect between the president's rhetoric and the reality on the ground. In fact, the private sector still controls two-thirds of Venezuela's economy — the same as when Chavez was elected in 1998, according to estimates by the Central Bank.
