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Voter ID Laws, Intended to Disenfranchise the Poor

I'm sure you've all heard it being parroted over and over again in the “news.”

 

One side of the debate argues that people should be required to show a picture ID before voting in order to prevent fraud.

The other side of the debate argues that this is an attempt to prevent poor minorities from voting due to not being able to acquire a picture ID.

 

Are voter ID laws intended to disenfranchise the poor community?

Yes they are

Side Score: 1
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No they're not

Side Score: 26
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CNN Parakeet: “Yes, this is an attempt to keep poor minorities from voting because they commonly vote democrat. It’s not intended to stop fraud because voter fraud doesn’t exist.”

Side: Yes they are
1 point

:) I didn't look at both comments. I had a huge rebuttal typed out then I seen what you did.

Side: No they're not
Coldfire(1014) Clarified
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No worries, those were just some examples of what’s being mindlessly regurgitated by people on either side of the debate, feel free to disregard them. In fact, I would encourage it; I prefer if people think for themselves.

Side: Yes they are

Last year I made less than 10k, I am single and I have two kids I am ~poor~ but I managed to pay for the renewal of my drivers lic. If a person can not get the paper work involved for an ID card, such as passport, birth certificate ext.. Then maybe they shouldn't be voting in the first place. People who not born here or have a criminal back ground are forbidden to vote. As this is a US Civil Right that can be taken away. Showing proof of who we are is not just important but it is needed in a big way.

We have children being put on busses and coming over the Mexican border at an alarming rate. These poor kids have no idea what is going on. If these kids can stay here, then there are many many more adults who are here with out the proper paper work. These people at this time could walk in and vote. This is not about money!! This is about keeping things legal and true.

Side: No they're not
3 points

If you can't show your birth certificate or a valid ID, then you shouldn't be voting in the first place.

Side: No they're not
3 points

I do not believe that is the intention of the law but is a possible consequence. When you attach a price tag to something inevitably that something is put of reach of some people.

My concern is why are we creating more regulations when no need has been shown (I am aware of partisan sources claiming otherwise but those claims seem to fall short of showing any voter fraud when examined) or the threat of voter fraud is higher in cases of mail in voting rather than in person. The proposed voter ID laws do not seem to be a solution for the most viable method of that supposed problem.

I am not a fan of regulating things as knee jerk reactions, even less so when the proposed solution does not address the issue and has negative results that can be shown as opposed to a problem that hasn't.

Here is a list of research on the subject of disenfranchisement. Same site has stats on actual voter fraud as well.

http://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/research-and-publications-voter-id

Side: No they're not
3 points

They're intended to prevent voter fraud. I suppose libraries are disenfranchising the poor by not allowing the check-out of books without ID too then...

Side: No they're not
3 points

In my state, it costs $10.50 to get a state issued ID, and its good for 5 years. Not that I'm encouraging panhandlig, but a day's worth should cover that. Unless this is a rarity and most states charge like $100 a year, I find this premise to be pretty weak. The bigger deal would seem to be waiting for it.

That said, if they were to make it mandatory, than one could argue that they shouldn't charge for the IDs anymore.

Side: No they're not
1 point

A panhandler could only scrape together 10.50 in a day, where you live? Your citizens must be very wise, here the average pan handler could make more than the average server at an okay semi busy restaurant. That's $50+.

Side: No they're not
2 points

I never said that was all, just that it should prove perfectly sufficient. :)

Side: No they're not

Even they are, who cares? Only people who are productive members of society and contribute to its maintenance should be allowed to reap the benefits society has to offer. ;)

Side: No they're not
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FOX Parrot: “It makes sense to require people to prove they are who they say they are before voting. This is not an attempt to disenfranchise anyone; it’s an attempt to prevent fraud.”

Side: No they're not

I see nothing wrong with voter ID laws because I feel it's fair to prevent fraud. Here's why: Voter ID laws help prevent fraud in voting. By having to prove you are who you say you are, fraud is not allowed.

Side: No they're not