Was Gov. Sarah Palin the right choice for McCain's VP running mate?
McCain announced today that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will be his Vice Presidential running mate, in an apparent attempt to steal Hillary supporters from Obama. Do you think this was the right choice?
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From a purely political point of view, McCain's choice of Palin was a masterstroke. He had slung the entire kitchen; range, sink and refrigerator at Obama and had closed the stupid daily polling figures. So what next? Pawlenti? Romney? Ridge? What does any of them do for McCain who has already used up his best stuff? Going back to the race/gender issue and using Hillary Clinton as a smoke screen to put an ideologue on the ticket to satisfy the red-meat base was brilliant.
The POW hero and the Hockey mom.
They will talk her up as a "maverick" to re-bolster McCain's BS reputation for being the independent guy he used to be... before he gave his gonads to Bush in SC eight years ago and never took 'em back. She fought against her own party... to turn down money for a superfluous pork barrel bridge that had been thoroughly scorned by the entire news media.
Ignore for the moment that in order to win, the GOP needs to have a ticket that swears it will fight its own party, the party that has been in total control of the government for most of the last eight year. Grrrr....
This maneuver, by the Karl Rove crew running this campaign, is going back to the Lee Atwater playbook, which is to divide the country in half and win 51-49 per cent by any means necessary.
For right now, and if they are very lucky, for the next week, the GOP convention will drive the news cycles. McCain's campaign has to hope this will ignite the conservative base and that base will now get behind McCain without having to hold their noses.
I think that Sarah Palin is a worthy VP choice for McCain. It has been said that both Democratic and Republican candidates have a lack of experience, but I believe there is something to be said for not having been in Washington for too long. It seems that, eventually, most politicians begin to morph together and lose sight of their original viewpoints after a while.
Palin is pro-gun, pro-life, and supports drilling in ANWR, all things I agree with. She also has gotten rid of a lot of corruption in Alaskan government and if I had the chance to vote for her in '06, I would have.
Governors have shown to be more successful presidents than senators anyway, and I think that being mayor and governor could be enough experience for someone with enough common sense and an awareness of the world around her.
Governors are more successful presidents than senators? Really? Are you aware of who is currently president?
As for the Washington thing you might be right that it corrupts people, but what it also does is allow them to think about issues on a national and international scale. Being governor does not prepare you for this kind of responsiblitly.
I agree that maybe her experience "could be enough experience for someone with enough common sense and an awareness of the world around her." but in the few interviews she has done we can clearly see she absolutely DOES NOT have an awareness of the world outside of her state. If we were looking for a someone who could repeat talking points then she would probably be perfect for the job but certainly not VP.
Please enjoy this video that I believe goes right to the heart of Palin's inexperience
You're pro-gun. So you want people like the Virginia Tech psycho path who killed so many innocents, to have an even easier access to guns? You pro-life. Personally I would want my wife to keep the baby rather then have an abortion, however I refuse to make the choice for a woman, and tell her what to do with her body. It is her choice and I won't impose my personal view onto anyone. As for off shore drilling, while it is a good thing, America has 3 % of the world's oil. We use 25% of the world's oil. We cannot just drill our way through this problem we must look to clean resources. And since when has common sense, been the primary factor in being a vice president?
Sarah Palin is a decent choice. She brings a different and refreshingly new perspective to the Republican side. With the time she served as a two term city council member, mayor of Wasilla and Governor of AK and a host of accomplishments in each position, she has accomplished a lot in the "little" experience she has had. Compare this to Obama, who wishes to be President of the U.S, who served 8 years in the IL state senate and 2.5 years in the U.S Senate of which he has spent nearly the entire time campaigning. So is his experience really that much more relevant? What kind of experience does he have that makes him so qualified? Serving on the Health, education, labor and pension committee or Environmental and public works committee in the U.S Senate, not too impressive.
She seems an interesting choice. She is the first woman governor to Alaska, their 11th governor, took strong positions on oil issues for Alaska, balanced a career and family, no small feat, specially with 5 children and put forth serious and reforming changes in legislation, and was very involved with the Alaska Conservation Commission as chairperson and the list goes on. Maybe not huge strides by Washington DC's standards, but it's all relative. As a conservative American women who loves politics, I am delighted to see a strong female chosen as VP to McCain. I am not a soccer mom although my kids do play soccer and not a kool-aid drinker but a free thinker. I think Sarah Palin will be a free thinker as well. No matter what her record, credentials or experience of course it never will be enough according to the democrats.
I have no idea how she is a carbon copy of Hillary?
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Sarah Palin is a great choice for Vice President. She has stood against party politics. She has stopped "the Road to Nowhere." She has experience with the oil industry and alternative fuels. She has dealt with Alaska's security issues. She has lovingly celebrated the birth of her son with Downe's Syndrome. She is raising five children and has said she "wants to get things done" as Vice President.
As an Obama supporter, I think she was exactly the right choice. McCain will get the benefit of receiving at least 50% of the 300,000 voters in Alaska and a shot at the whopping 3 (count 'em - THREE!) electoral votes.
Not only that, she has extensive experience in government. She's the governor of Alaska (pop. 670,000). We can assume from that piece of information that she received at least 115,000 votes. WOW! There's more people than that still living in New Orleans. Not only that, but she's got extensive experience in administering a municipality. I mean, Wasila, Alaska has a population of 8,500. There's more people than that at our high school football game Friday night.
She's a member of the NRA which means she'll probably get the Bubba vote. Oh wait. McCain's already got the "Bubba" vote.
Well, she'll get big oil's vote. Oh, John's already got that too. Maybe she can get all those disaffected women who wanted Hilary to win the Democratic nomination. Those women might be pissed and may even have some grounds to be, but do you actually think those bright females are going to fall for such a cheap trick?
In short, if I wanted to pick a candidate that would ensure that I lose the election, I couldn't have done better. Looks like Karl Rowe missed this one. Guess he's getting old and a little off his game.
Go get 'em John.
McCain's choice of Sarah Palin for his running mate has shook up the presidential campaign. Right or wrong, it has energized religious conservatives and rallied the Republican Party base to McCain's side. Palin, a fundamentalist Christian who has turned whistle-blowing against Alaskan leaders like Don Young and Ted Stevens into a fine art and electoral advantage, is not known for being quiet. A woman with a limited world view, she is the counterweight to the alleged light experience of Barack Obama. Her religious views shape her world views, and that is a delight to some Republicans.
Palin Speaks To Church Audience (www.huffingtonpost.com)
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I'm definitely disgusted with the Republican National Convention and it would appear, especially after Sarah Palin's acceptance speech tonight that she would fit right in with McCain. Both avoid addressing the important issues that Americans so desperately ask for clarity. The RNC, the perfect opportunity to discuss and talk about issues such as the economy, the war in Iraq, pro-life v. pro-choice, and healthcare, neither candidate has even mentioned any of these things yet has just done what Republicans always do which is resort to scare tactics in order to get the constituents on their side. One thing Republicans still have not learned, in running the same tired old campaign, is that Americans wants to know where you stand on the important issues that we have to deal with on the day to day. So in closing... is Palin a good pick for McCain, yes... if he wants to continue the same tired campaign of resorting to scare tactics and avoid the discussion of the real issues she's your VP!
First, you cede any credibility in my eyes when you list the RNC as one of "the most important issues". I have listened to Howard Dean tell me that no Republican has ever held an honest job and Terry McAuliffe tell me to ignore the clips of Biden and Hillary extolling the virtues of McCain and trashing Obama mere months ago as merely "internal Democratic Party politics". If anyone is playing the politics of fear it is the Dems who keep referring to McCain, the most independent member of the Senate, as four more years of Bush. In my opinion, Obama is a new and improved, repackaging of the same old tax the rich, poverty is an illness we can cure, class warfare approach of Democrats since FDR. McCain doesn't have to address issues anywhere near as much as Obama. No one has a clue what Obama stands for or what he believes. His constant reworking of his responses to any McCain position is a clue that he is developing positions based on polls and not on firmly held principles. We all know who McCain is. Like Obama he is trying to win and says things to appeal to his base for political reasons but he also has a record. We know deep down what he believes in and who he is and that he will serve that way. We have no idea what Obama stands for or believes in or how he will serve. Palin with her "meager experience", short time in public service and sudden appearance as if out of nowhere, is equally firm and stead fast in her statements. That is in striking contrast to the Obama campaign's original mean spirited nasty response to her being named followed by a kinder gentler replacement. Again, we know McCain. Obama still is trying to convince us that he is our kind of guy, no matter how many tries it takes to get the polls to show it is working
I think many are misreading the selection. I don't believe that anyone thinks that Hillary supporters, who are rabidly partisan and anti abortion would ever vote Republican. However Palin is a solid nod to the Republican conservative base who needed an excuse to back McCain. They truly had no choice but McCain however they wanted a sign, a token, a way to back McCain without losing face, if you will. At the same time the majority of undecided moderates in the vast center are women. These voters, unlike the Hillary army are truly up for grabs. In my opinion, this is the rationale for Palin.
That said I wish McCain had gone for a person who would have helped him from the VP office once IN the White House, not someone to help him get there. My personal choice would have been Rob Portman who is conservative enough but not a Limbaugh/Hannity disciple, someone who is pragmatic enough to realize the job starts AFTER you win and is driven to legislate, not pontificate as well as being a budget wonk of the sort needed in the coming years. But he is no thrilling speaker and would have done little to advance the campaign, merely to advance the country as VP.
Of course it was a good decision. Allot of women who are still angry at the fact that Obama won ,plus he did'nt give her a chance as vice president. Ithink that even liberals will vote for her. As a conservative i don't like mccain , but i like Sarah . She is going to be president one day.
Gov. Palin comes from the grassroots of the American society. She is more qualified for the Whitehouse than either Sen. Obama or Sen. Biden. She rose from the PTA, City counsel, Mayor and Governor of Alaska with the same key factor. The close identification with the common people of America is something that we all have wished would happen to the political scene. She is a proven executive with many years of making responsible decisions that have the makings of a great leader. Governor Palin stood up against the "good ole' boys" which had established a firm and corrupt grip on the political scene in Alaska's government. She beat the incumbent Governor from her same party in the primary and went on to defeat a former two term Governor to bring Alaska back to the people. Governor Palin hasn't let her constituents down by aggressively bringing about reform in Alaska's government. Many former state legislators and lobbyists are now serving time in jail. Governor Palin took on the legislation that the Oil companies influence with the former compromised legislators and forged a new bill that was passed. This bill gave back the integrity of the oil development in Alaska with a fair and level agreement. Governor Palin increased the funding for the needs of the special children in Alaska. She cut the excessive spending not only in the legislative process but also from her executive allowances. Yes. Sarah is real. Yes. Sarah is in our corner. She will uphold the Vice Presidency with solid leadership and stand with McCain to bring our country back to the people.
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I think Huckabee would have hurt McCain more then he would have helped. Huckabee appeals to conservative voters more than independents, and John McCain would want to convince people that he could reach across the isle. In a lot of ways, he's an intelegent, experienced, male version of Sarah Palin. He would be better, but then again, who wouldn't have?
He's got to be kidding. This is the great Republican answer to disaffected Hillary supporters? Wow. The similarities between Clinton and what's her name are remarkable: they're both carbon based life forms, and they both have girl parts. Whoa!
Earth to Senator McCain: pick someone that a sentient being in the United States has even heard of for your running mate. I'm sure she's real popular in Alaska, but frankly, you know, now that you're party has made a big point out of making Obama's Hawaii sound like an exotic foreign country on par with Berzerkistan, geez, is Alaska REALLY still a part of the US? In comparison, isn't Alaska just as foreign, say a break away Soviet republic?
This is great. A geriatric president that can't even remember how many homes he owns, and a two-year neophyte vice president with less experience in government than Obama.
But she has GIRL PARTS!!!! That's the big thing.
"pick someone that a sentient being in the United States has even heard of for your running mate."
There it is in black and pixels - if you're not already a celebrity, you have no business in politics. He should have picked Britney.
Personally I think Mrs. Palin is a great choice, she's dim enough to be a creationist and young enough to help McCain press the 'launch all nukes now' button (on the presidential desk next to the planet earth pin cushion).
From a strategic perspective, perhaps she was decent pick (though Kay Baley Hutchinson or even Carla Fiorna could have been wiser decisions). But in terms of the issues that appear or should be the criteria: no way.
Look at this Charlie Rose interview from a year ago. The interview with Arizona Governor Napolitano (who obviously overshadows Palin in terms of experience and knowledge) concerned the rising trend of female governors assuming office across the nation. In the interview, you see that Palin is unprepared, evasive, and is not specific.
After a long build up about the importance of education, Palin does not answer the question of what her state is doing to tackle the issue. Instead she talks about energy. (Her husband is an "oil man.")
On the issue of health care, Palin states that it is a concern, but makes no stance on the issues. Instead, she says that think tanks need to accumulate their knowledge and be part of a task force. Do we really need a task force? We already know what plans are available and the candidates have already offered their own. She is not knowledgeable to even support McCain's plan.
Imagine the debate between Biden and Palin. A deer in the headlights.
Palin: Evasive, Unprepared, and Unspecific (www.charlierose.com)
McCain has been speaking of Obama's lack of experience all along, and here he brings us someone whose experience mostly consists of less than 2 years as governor of Alaska, a state of less than a million people. If McCain thinks Obama is not experienced enough for the presidential office, I don't see how Palin would fit as a vice-president.
This looks like a desperate attempt to grab some Hillary supporters and I think they'll mostly see through it. Their positions on important issues are, after all, totally different. Her pro-life, anti-gay marriage, pro-creationist record contrasts with Hillary's, for instance...
Most worrying is the fact that John McCain is 72 years old: The possibility of him passing away while in office and leaving the presidency, the economy and the foreign policy to this woman few people knew before today will certainly scare a few voters.
I don't think it's a secret to anyone who's read my posts I'm in Obama's camp. I'm not just saying this in light of that though, I really do think it was a poor choice, stepping into Republican shoes for a moment. The Hilary supporters who still felt disenfranchised after the DNC and Hilary's speach were already either going to back McCain or just not vote. There is literally nothing left to be done to change those minds, I don't believe Palin will pick up a single additional vote for McCain from that group. Also Alaska was already going to vote for McCain, again no additional help there. I don't know enough about Palin's positions on issues to say for sure, but it does appear to be pandering. Something the GOP has tried to accuse of Obama doing. Of course the Obama campaign won't point this out itself, but I believe we'll see that word floating around over the next few weeks in regards to the VP choice, and it will be more difficult to accuse Obama of pandering to anyone as a result. Not that he won't be anyway.
I have to ask myself had Hilary been nominated would McCain have picked up a black man for VP? I miss the 2004 McCain, while disagreeing with him on policies, I still respected him as one of the few honest and straight shooting politicians. I think he's "jumped the shark" and this is another sign of that.
All that said, I think Palin's kind of hot.
Side: Palin poor choice
I agree, I really can not believe that he chose Palin as his running mate. It really seems like McCain sold out here to get a few extra female votes, and was more concerned with picking a good candidate than someone who would actually make a good Vice President. She has no foreign policy experience, very little leadership experience (besides those years on the Alaska PTA), and is relatively unknown in the political arena. This election is shaping up very poorly for the Republicans.
This from DebateMan and I agree! "She has no foreign policy experience, very little leadership experience (besides those years on the Alaska PTA), and is relatively unknown in the political arena. This election is shaping up very poorly for the Republicans."
She's perfect for a man like McCain who thinks he has the foreign policy experience & leadership experience needed and she needn't be well known in the political arena since he is so well known! On this side we have an older man and a much younger female. In McCain's eyes he's just played his trump suit since he picked a female running mate. Here come the Hillaryites en masse...touche!
The Republican side gets weaker by the day with decisions and reasoning such as this. With two months to go he may just as well plan his vacation beginning November 5th. Perhaps he can fly to Alaska and do some ice fishing or harpoon some seals while he ponders his loss. I do believe he's just sealed his fate.
"has no foreign policy experience, very little leadership experience". The same could be said about everyone's favorite Illinois senator. As we've heard for the last 6 months, there is more to a politician than his/her foreign policy and prior leadership experience. If everyone could take a minute and use CD2008 to learn about the canditate's stances and vote based on that info, then we would all be better served.
As to any leadership experience she served two terms on the Wasilla City Council, two terms as the mayor of Wasilla, chair of the Alaska Conservation Commission, president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors, chair of the National Governors Association, and co chair and chair of Natural Resources Committee and 11th Governor of Alaska to start with and more. She doesn't have International experience, but please tell me what Obama, running for president with 8 years in IL state senate and nearly the same age as her has in the way of international experience? A trip to Iraq and brief Middle East tour a few months ago?
Is it the job of the Secretary of State to work as main representative of foreign affairs or the VP's?
Governor Palin is more qualified than Obama or Biden. She has the executive experience in an elected position that requires decision making that is immediately examined. You can't hide behind the other Senator's vote when the heat is on. The Secretary of State is the primary cabinet level adviser who is responsible for the foreign affairs of our government. It is the people around the President and Vice President who helps them make an informed decision. The quality of a leader is to listen to his advisers and the voice of the people. Governor Palin has proven that she listens, learns and actually makes an informed decision.
Side: Palin has more experience than Dem
Shaping up poorly for Republicans!?!?! Really? Dems should be off in a cakewalk this election cycle. Economy. Country against an unpopular war identified with Republicans. Rock Star Dem candidate. Repubs running a candidate reviled by its base . . . and yet they are virtually tied!? How in heck has that happened? The Repubs are driving the campaign with the Obama camp struggling to respond correctly the first time. We all heard of all the money the Obama campaign was raising yet the RNC has crushed the DNC in raising funds. Why is the biggest landslide since McGovern essentially tied up?? If this is very poorly, paint me a Democrat!
The choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate raises more questions than it answers. Yes, it is temporarily grabbing headlines away from Obama's acceptance speech and creating a "buzz." The Arizona senator named a running mate who has spent her entire live in Alaska except for college attendance in Idaho. She a former beauty queen, runner-up to the Miss Alaska crown in 1984.
Governor Palin also has an ethic probe into her attempted firing of her ex-brother -in-law, a state trooper, and has admitted 25 contacts with the relevant authorities to fire him. This shows that Palin might have used her public office to settle a personal score. Palin was the youngest Alaska governor at age 42, and the first born after the state joined the union in 1957. She is young and she is female, and that seems to be why McCain selected her.
The Sarah Palin Story (en.wikipedia.org)
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For the democrats i think so, for McCain no. I would think that women would take offense to this obvious political ploy to bring them to his side. She goes against many issues that women care about as well as democrats. The lack of experience and lack of additional new votes from Alaska she brings to McCains administration would suggest that her only true purpose to his presidential run is to get disgruntled clinton supporters, because of the fact that she is female.
I believe that the reason for the choice of her and the time of announcement were only meant for shock value and to crush with the unanimous support of the media obamas momentum, frankly I'm surprised she isn't offended. The american people may not be the most politically informed lot, but they are also not as dumb as McCain is betting they are. Where one stands on issues is far more important than their sex, race, or orientation and in the end i hope and think McCain will find out the hard way.
Side: Palin poor choice
The choice of Sarah (let me check her name again) Palin is about as reactive as McCain could have gone. While his pick seems to have generated enthusiasm among the ultra-conservative evangelical "base" whose stranglehold on the Republican Party is apparently still around, it certainly won't move disenfranchised Hillary voters (if many still exist). Apart from gender, there isn't much that Palin and Clinton have in common (unless we learn that her hubby has a penchant for cigars, wink, wink). If anything, it will help push Hillary supporters closer to Obama/Biden because of her lack of experience and far right social stands. And it's doubtful undecided independent voters, who tend to be more moderate on social issues than Republicans and more conservative on economic policies than Democrats, will be attracted to this move to the right. With that said, McCain had to take a big gamble to try to counter the mounting enthusiasm for the Obama/Biden ticket...he had to react with a more exciting choice than Romney. Perhaps Palin will be impressive on the national scene (the expectation bar will be low for her in the VP debate) but with this roll of the dice , the odds of his running mate helping McCain toward victory seem slim to none.
Some things about Palin excite me, while others disgust me, and like most things, the latter overwhelms the former. Social conservatism and scientific illiteracy are effectively euphemisms for fascism and ignorance. These would be less frightening if McCain wasn't so old, putting Palin a heart beat, or a lack-there-of away, from the presidents seat. In short, her economic and personal qualities are poisoned by her sincere religiosity.
But this question doesn't care about my opinion of her. It's about if she was a good choice for the campaign. I say no, for the reasons of the polemical opportunities that the Obama campaign will undoubtedly cease; and the polemical and actual opportunities McCain has undoubtedly lost, namely "experience" and dejected Clinton fan-girls.
Okay first of all I do not think the correct thing to do is pick the running mate who may give you an advantage in politics. Mcain should have picked a running mate who has experience, not someone who was been quoted saying "I don't even know what a Vice President does". I am of the opinion that he has picked her to try and garner some support from women, I can only pray that women do not switch to his side based on the fact that he has a woman running mate.
Side: Palin poor choice
In a perfect world I agree with you but the old truism is that you have to win to govern. Isn't it interesting to wonder how many politicians made a deal with the devil just to get elected, with all the best intentions, only to get sucked into the sewer once they win? Maybe I shouldn't have watched "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" last night? lol For what it is worth, I think she was picked partly for her appeal to women who make up a lot of the independents but also to secure his party's conservative base. He needed to throw them a bone just to make it OK for them to vote for him. He allowed them to "save face" IMO.
Just wondering . . . Do you also hope that blacks won't vote for Obama just because he is black?
No, I have no idea what McCain was thinking. She's got no experience, and she's dumb as a brick. She couldn't even think of a fricking supreme court decision she disagreed with! At debates, she talks about the same three subjects, no matter what the moderator's question was. All she can talk about is dealing with big issues on a more 'local' level. All I can say is...You betcha McCain coulda done better, Doggone it!
It cracks me up that so many of the responses in support of Palin being the right choice, indicate it was brilliant political strategy. Can you people not even step far enough outside the box to realize Palin is a 73 year old heart beat away from holding the highest political office in the land? What kind of political strategy is it to say "My judgment is lacking to the point of choosing Sara Palin as my VP"? Seriously, I'm trying hard not to be condescending. She may be a great person, hell she may even be a Maverick. But so far the moose hunters is nothing more than McCain's hunting dog. She's being used and it not smart enough to realize it. If McCain was serious about her, why didn't she know his campaign pulled out of Minnesota the day after it happened until a reporter asked her about it? Sound like she's part of the group to you? I don't want a president who's willing to pull these kind of stunts at OUR expense!!!! Get REAL!!!!
Side: Palin poor choice
I am a woman and I say no. There are a lot of Republican woman with years rather than months of experience in states with more electoral votes. I am a Westerner and I say no. Washingtonians are not known for looking to Alaska for our leaders. I am the daughter of a mother who had a child at 44 I say no. The challenge of motherhood later in life and especially if the child has a handicap is large. The child must come first and the presidency requires I am a person concerned about corruption I say no. She is under investigation of imisuse of power.
Side: Palin poor choice
so do you agree that women should be paid less than a man and should be only hired if a man isn't available because the woman could have a baby and quit or have a special needs baby and not be able to focus on their job? Or should a woman sign an agreement to quit if she becomes pregnant? Sarah has a husband willing to pony up to the household needs and children old enough to help and besides, soon she will have a Secret Service Agent to change diapers lol.