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Debate Score:139
Arguments:83
Total Votes:175
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Was Jesus White?

So eurocentrism bullshit at play again and me bashing europeans again :D

Jesus, white or not?

Also add what colour you think he is...

I've heard MiddleEastern (most likely) Black (lol), Chinese (lol), Indian (lol) etc.

 

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Side Score: 59
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No

Side Score: 80
2 points

People of middle eastern descent are considered caucasoid by social anthropologists. Thus, he was white.

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
4 points

white?

Really?

North west Indians are considered caucasoid. Does that make them white?

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6751) Disputed
1 point

Is white white? I am caucasoid, but my skin color is a pinkish-reddish-tan shade of light brown.

Side: yes
2 points

Middle Easterners count as white. So I would have considered him white.

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

Since when have middle easterners counted as white?

There may be some whites in the middle east. There may even be light skinned middle easterners. They're not white though - otherwise they would be europeans, a different skin tone.

Side: No
Volker(89) Disputed
2 points

They look Mediterranean. Most Middle easterner are defnitely closer in appearence than Blacks or East Asians or even Southern Indians. Most of tehm could pass as Italians or Greek.

Side: yes
2 points

You see, everyone has a bit of white in them, and even thought Jesus might not be white racially, his cum most likely was. Just kidding.

Side: yes
1 point

You weren't kidding you ment it and it's most likely it was :P

Side: yes
2 points

Jewish people are considered white today. Jesus was a Jew. Therefore, by the standards set in today's world He would be considered white when He walked on the earth. However, He is God and God cares about the heart, not the color of the skin.

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

Jewish people are considered white? That's because those Jews had been living in Europe for a very long time. The Jews of Israel are mostly migrants from various parts of Europe - who are white.

Back in Jesus's time there is no way that Jews were even close to being considered european.

Side: No
TERMINATOR(6751) Disputed
1 point

White does not mean European - even people born there are Caucasoid.

..-. ..- -.-. -.-

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

You have no proof of anything you said anywhere in your reply and the arguement is completely lacking any devices of logic. How on earth did you get an upvote?

It must have been god ._.

Side: No
1 point

Ok he was white.

I used to have pallistinian friends who immagrated to San francisco and I had to work with some.

They were WHITE. Almost white as snow.

And in the Bible it says Jesus's Mother "Being of fair skin"

Fair skin means white skin everyone knows that.

Just everyone back then was white some whiter than others.

Side: yes
princessplop(-2) Disputed
3 points

"being of fair skin"-does not mean white skin. It means of lighter colour. So that doesn't mean she's white. Sometimes that statement means beauty or unblemished. And what part of the bible is that from? can you give me the exact reference of it? And what version of the bible have you read this from? the wikipedia version?

Jesus came fom the middle east...people there need dark skin (larger content of melanin) to protect it from the suns UV rays. Unless he was albino (which was never stated) Jesus was not white. Which doesn't make him any less or more of a person. Like God, it is better to think of Jesus as genderless and colourless..better then us because they cannot be classed.

Side: No
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

Ok have you been to Israel or any of the surrounding areas?

I have! People there are WHITE majority of them but that place is also a melting pot for all types of skin colors.

Also the first century Middle Easterners looked different from today.

They were whiter back then than they are now.

""being of fair skin"-does not mean white skin. It means of lighter colour. So that doesn't mean she's white."

According to fucking who? You?! That's not valid bud.

"Fair" Also means clean, pure, and beautiful.

I don't know about you but when have you seen a "beautiful" Arab/Palestinian/Indian/Iraqi/Afghan? In this century?

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

Lol I knew you'd say Jesus was white.

Palestine is in Asia. He was Asian.

Hurts doesn't it?

Side: No
Sulith(508) Disputed
2 points

"Palestine (Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל‎, Eretẓ Yisra'el; formerly ארץ–כנען, Eretẓ Kena'an; also פלשׂתינה, Palestina; Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn) is a conventional name used, among others, to describe a geographic region between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River, and various adjoining lands."

I said people from that region are white.

Just because your from India or whatever shit hole part of that world it doesn't mean you know the worlds map. Surrounding that area.

Also, the middle east may be in "Asia" but people there are NOT considered "Asian".

Side: yes
negrato31(85) Disputed
2 points

uh he was jewis h which is a non white ethnicity homei get your facts straight

Side: No
1 point

Let's think about this: No-one living today existed 2,000 years ago, when Jesus was presumed to have been born, therefore, no-one can honestly say that they have physically seen him as a white OR black man. Photography wasn't even heard of at the time, so no pictures could have been taken of him. Adding to that, relying on 'drawings' of Jesus is a pointless cause. These drawings could simply have been the interpretation of Jesus from one man's/woman's point of view.

Consider the following problem: If the virgin Mary was white, how could she biologically give birth to a black child? If the virgin Mary was black, how could she have biologically given birth to a white child? My point in this is that we cannot even tell which exactly Mary was, therefore, it is even harder to guess which exactly Jesus was.

One thing that is easily noticed among religions is that they depict Jesus as a white man. To emphasize this, Jesus was dubded the son of God, who was also depicted as a white man. Consider this next problem: If Jesus was the son of God, would that mean that he would be identically coloured to God. And if so, would that be influenced by Mary's DNA, or would Jesus simply be portrayed as an identical child of God?

One theory suggests that Jesus is the physical form of God (God as a mortal man on Earth). This again circles itself in more questions.

To be honest, and personal, I would say that it is impossible to know. Of course people can tie this to the fact that Jesus was born as a Middle-Eastern man, and that he should therefore be of similar appearence to Middle-Easterns, but looking back at my previous argument, how do we know that he was not of identical appearence to God, and if so, would he be fully white, black, or a mix of the two?

This is an incredibly sceptical debate, which in my view, cannot be accurately answered.

Side: Impossible to say
Kinda(1649) Disputed
0 points

And so you have led yourself to the whole point of this discussion. Why is it that Jesus was depicted as white? Eurocentrism.

God is only depicted white by whites. Jesus is only depicted white by whites. Mary is depicted white by whites. In truth Jesus nor Mary were white. They were middle eastern. God has no race. Nor would his DNA (is he had any) be similar to mankind. But I don't really think God's DNA is relevant in this debate. lol.

He isn't black either. I don't know where you got that from.

Side: No
SMCdeBater(242) Disputed
0 points

If you examine my case closely, Kinda, you will notice that I gave no mention to "God's DNA." I stated that it is incredibly hard to tell if Jesus would be primarily influenced by Mary's DNA, or if he would simply be portayed in the image of God (this does not relate in any way to God's DNA).

The concept of Jesus, Mary or God being black may seem ludicrous to most individuals, including yourself, but there are SOME who may actually believe in the possibility that one, two or all of them may have been black.

Take for instance the movie 'Bruce Almighty,' here we see that God is depicted as a Black man, so therefore, you need to accept that it is within the belief of others that there is a possiblity that God was indeed black. This then ties together with the question that I gave above. Will God or Mary influence Jesus' appearence?

This concept has 0% to do with DNA, I don't know where you got THAT from.

Side: Impossible to say
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
0 points

Well, I don't mean to insult you because I like some of your arguements.

But you do realize you just spent 6 paragraphs basically explaining the question right?

Side: No
SMCdeBater(242) Disputed
1 point

iamdavidh, you're looking at my case to simplisticly.

I was basically looking the this topic from a wider point of view. In other words, I was re-defining the topic and adding my own point of view.

There's no insult, you were just looking at it the wrong way, no big deal.

Side: Impossible to say

Jesus was from the Middle East. Generally, people from the Middle East have a Middle Eastern complexion. (duh.)

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

So middle easterners are white?

:0

Side: No
2 points

Finally, someone who actually tries to make educated conversation.

Side: No
johnnyboy46(211) Disputed
1 point

Touche. What I meant was that since Jesus was born in the middle east, he should probably be of darker complexion. The belief that Jesus was white is a white supremecist statement.

Side: yes
1 point

he was most likely a tan white man since he was out in the sun a lot of the time

Side: yes
0 points

As long as it makes you live spiritually comfortable, the color it's up to you.

Side: yes
TERMINATOR(6751) Disputed
1 point

If you believe that Jesus actually existed, you must realize that he did have a color. He was Middle Eastern and, one would logically surmize, was the color of a middle easterner. A person of the Middle East is technically a caucasoid and thus, Jesus was white. However, it is not up to the individual believer to decide what he was. Next, I'm sure somebody will be saying 'Is God a woman?'

Side: No
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
0 points

I reject this line of thought wholeheartedly. It is a slippery slope.

The people who believe he really existed (I do not) must then really believe he was a person.

As such he must have had skin of one sort or another, it's a biological imperative.

It's okay I guess to just "have faith."

But when a majority of these superstitious people start believing that "whatever makes you spiritually comfortable" is okay, well we'll start electing people like Palin and be catapulted back to the guilded age.

No. If that person existed, he did have a skin color. And it is not okay just to make this person whatever makes you feel comfortable.

This "personal Jesus" bs drives me nuts. It's not just whatever whoever feels like it should be. Otherwise, my Jesus was a gangster who wants me to rob banks and kill people.

Hey, it's what makes me feel "spiritually comfortable."

Side: No
1 point

answer please. I gave a very complex reply. If you are going to downvote you will have to back up your argument. Things like this are the reason a lot of the good debaters have abandoned CD.

Side: No
0 points

I agree with this completely.

Portraying a 'personal image' is more of the 'heaven concept.'

To make that a tad clearer, some people believe that when we die, we go to heaven, but rather than finding a land sitting big fluffy clouds, we find our own personal idea of what heaven is. I.e. Chocolate Lover's may find a land of Chocolate, or perhaps a man who loves his family will find them all waiting for him at his home.

Then again, some people DO get the idea of heaven as a land sitting on big fluffy clouds, such as is on this episode of The Simpson's that I extracted from Youtube (as seen below).

Anyway, getting back on topic, Jesus is Jesus, God is God, not an Elephant or any other strange ludicrous form (in my P.O.V anyway).

The Simpson's - Heaven
Side: Impossible to say
4 points

Even "white" people aren't white. By my reckoning, they appear to be a yellowish pink.

I don't believe Jesus was yellowish pink. Considering the climate, his skin was likely more heavily pigmented.

Now if you are asking about his racial identity...well, I have some bad news for you about that as well. Race is a sociological construct, not a biologic fact. There is no White Race, no Black Race, no Red Race, and no Yellow Race. The fact is, there is no such thing as "race", biologically speaking.

Today, most scientists reject the concept of race as a valid way of defining human beings. Researchers no longer believe that races are distinct biological categories created by differences in genes that people inherit from their ancestors. In fact, there are more biological differences within a supposed racial group than there are between people of various racial categories.

But, ya sure. Better your god be white, like you, right? White folk ain't' gonna be worshiping no sand nigger now, are they?

Supporting Evidence: Yes, Jesus was indeed a (madhabirfy.blogspot.com)
Side: No
dacey(1036) Banned
2 points

Who cares what color he was!

OR what race he was?

He was about unconditional universal love was he not .

Was he not accepting of man , woman or child regardless of race or financial status etc.

Do you think that he would not be pissed off at all here for damning what he actually stood for.

Either way for all who boast of Jesus they ought to pack shit that they are wrong.

Ive seen black , asian ,europeon , Jesus statues.

All false worship is blasphermous.

Side: No
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
3 points

1. we don't know, because we never met him. He might have been a total douche.

2. He's dead, so he's incapable of being pissed at anyone.

3. You're completely insane. You know that right?

Side: No
3 points

he was olive skinned, like the Ahmadinejad. you can probably compare his skin to alot of mexicans that you would see on the streets of america today.

Side: No
SMCdeBater(242) Disputed
2 points

"he was olive skinned..."

How do you know this? Did a friend tell you this?

"you can probably compare his skin to a lot of mexicans that you would see on the streets of america today."

Since when does Jesus look Mexican? Did a friend tell you this?

You have no way of legitimately supporting your points, without being contradicted by my arguments in my posts on the left-hand side.

Side: Impossible to say
2 points

Nope.

Not sure of the exact tone of his skin. Probably pretty dark but I mean, he was no European.

Side: No
2 points

He was olive skinned he was neither white nor black he was actually mediterrainean.

Side: No
Kinda(1649) Disputed
1 point

Palestine is in the mediterrainean region?

Well that changes everything!

He wasn't born in Bethlehem

He was from SPAAAARRRTTAAAAA!!!

......

Side: yes
2 points

It's hard to tell because I don't really know about the migration patterns that have occured since.

However logic and reason would tell me he was not european - but at best fair skinned.

Side: No
2 points

Jesus cam from a region where there was a large jewish population and is directly related to King David who was a jew

therfor Jesus Christ was jewish

Side: No
1 point

Obviously not.

It is fucking funny how Europeans for all these years have worshipped somebody who's technically a middleeastern.

:D

Side: No
1 point

My guess is he never existed, and this story is a new version of the old story of this Egyptian god who was also immaculately conceived of a virgin, whose Earth father was a carpenter, who went around healing people, and who eventually died for other people.

Lot's of coincidences there, not to mention that group of people from whom Jesus supposedly came would have been slaves in Egypt at the time of the stories about this other Egyption god.

And the fact is, we can't even keep our history straight for a decade with the internet, they were just all telling eachother shit, none of that silly book was writting until around 500 CE

Logic tells me he's an old wives tale people decided to take a bit too seriously.

That said, if anyone cares, there were tons of people named. "Yeshua" or whatever his real name is (I'm going on memory) before Europeans mistranslated and turned it into Jesus. It meant "the way" or something, and you know how moms get about their first sons.

So there were tons of Jesus's running around at that time. Sure, maybe one was actually crucified, why not.

But if one of them was, he wasn't magical I'm pretty sure, just some dude.

All of that said,

He would have looked Jewish, but with a nicer tan than most American Jews probably.

Side: No

If he was Israeli decent, it is very likely that he was not white.

Side: No
SMCdeBater(242) Disputed
1 point

What if he was exactly like God? How could you tell???

It wouldn't be possible, as you would need to know the skin-tone of God, or God's favourite skin-tone.

Side: yes
1 point

Chances are: Jesus didn't exist. Not even historically. None of the gospels that wrote about Jesus never met him. He's nothing more than a fictional character in a story book.

Side: He didn't exist