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No, he was just a preacher. Yes, he is God.
Debate Score:107
Arguments:48
Total Votes:170
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 No, he was just a preacher. (26)
 
 Yes, he is God. (22)

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Was Jesus supernatural?

Conduct the miracles or not?

No, he was just a preacher.

Side Score: 55
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Yes, he is God.

Side Score: 52
2 points

If you look at the work that Jesus did, and compare it to the Healers of that time, you will discover that Jesus was a healer. He was very accomplished in his craft, and I believe he was very advanced for his time. Supernatural, no, Preacher, more than likely. But, remember, during that time it didn't take much to 'impress' the masses, as many were uneducated and ignorant. There was no explanation for the many natural phenomenons that occur. For an extremely intelligent, and gifted man like Jesus to be considered the son of God would not have been difficult to convince.

He was an incredible man, a man with a vision, a way of life that was born out of love and respect for his fellow humans (not man, but humans). I believe he had an important message to teach the people, and the best way to achieve belief during that time is to claim yourself a god, or claim you were from God.

His message was one that we should remember, and live by, today. Love one another. Respect one another. Be kind. But he was only a man, just a man, flesh and bone.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
0 points

I agree with you. Additionally, during Jesus' life, the title of "Son of God" was a common title given to well-respected people. A few of Jesus' contemporaries also held this title, so the title was not mutually exclusive as it is today.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
1 point
This is a hard question to ask...and the answer depends solely on one thing...do you believe in God or not? Furthermore, there is no possible way to prove that "Faith" is not simply a characteristic that humans have always has a way do deal with the fear of dying as well as a way to control the masses. Every religion (even those that are non-mono-theistic) has the same results....a way to create guidelines for an organized society. For this reason, I have no problem with people resorting to faith, however, it is the insistence of people who do believe to force there beliefs on others that bothers me about. Another trait that many religions share. And of course, that is a result of people's need to fit into groups with other people to feel comfortable. The truth is, Jesus was a man, a very well documented man.
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
bwind3(73) Disputed
0 points
"very well documented man" ? - what little we know of the man was written down after decades of being passed word of mouth.
Morality or guidelines, would easily exist without faith, and I'd bet certain societies would rather that faith hadn't been a controlling force. ...but yes, its true, those that proselytize are annoying.
Side: Yes, he is God.
blammo(186) Disputed
1 point
I am just curious, how are you opposed to what I am saying then?
Side: Yes, he is God.
Kaira(54) Disputed
1 point

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Jesus has been documented in official Roman texts.

On your proselytizing sub point, yeah, I've actually had a couple of people wait in front of my home to talk to me about religion. It's very annoying.

Side: Yes, he is God.
0 points

I do have a problem with people resorting to faith because it is lauded by many despite being ignorance by definition. E.g. 'I don't know if there's an afterlife, I can't prove it'll happen, I can't test for it, science - that which has brought us every concrete advancement in human history suggests it's not there but I have faith it is'. People can of course believe anything they wish but there seems a short road between a benign, mental peccadillo and rancorous claims and pronouncements. Additionally, faith-based claims are easily fueled by indoctrination and a narrow educational scope - both of which seem positively encouraged by the faithful.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
1 point

Dear Children,

One day you will learn all there is to know about a man named Santa Clause. On that day, remember everything adults have told you about another man named Jesus Christ.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
Jouten(1) Disputed
1 point

Aha the idiotic "Jesus does not exist because Santa Clause doesn't exist" argument.

Ok 1. There WAS a man namely Nikolaus from Myra who did good deeds and endowed poor people. Just because american idiots turned him into an old fat guy with a red coat (which is by the way a trait from St. Martin from Tours) with flying reindeers that can warp around the world in no time to endowe all children on this planet, doesn't mean he didn't exist. It's sad that uneducated fools like you turn the good deeds real persons did to humanity are into rubbish. Shame on you. It is you guys who ask why the world is evil, but you don't realize that you are the one that makes this world evil with your doing

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

Yea, he must've been some eccentric human if he were able to gain sizeable support for the fact that he was a God.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
1 point

Jesus? Which Jesus? I know a Jesus Ramirez and a Jesus Acevido and some guy Jesus worked on my car a few weeks back. Think I even know a Dr by name of Jesus. None of these fellas are supernatural. By definition, no human can be. If they're supernatural, they're not human. if they're human, they're not supernatural. So answer your own question.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.

He was a very persuasive preacher and carpentry with a charismatic demeanor and charm.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
1 point

Neither, he was fictional. This question assumes a false premise.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
1 point

I'm posting on this side because it's closest to what i believe. He was a teacher and a way-shower. He uncovered the divinepath of Man and tried to teach it. His word has been distorted by the churches of the ages.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
1 point

One more thing, there is no 'supernatural' EVERYTHING in the universe is either natural or man-made.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
0 points
No, there is nothing supernatural in the universe.
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
-1 points
If he existed at all, he was a politician and a preacher (*went to the 12 local municipalities and gathered a few fellas to follow him...working his way towards King or something...)
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
-1 points
We just don't understand everything of what is natural, but there is nothing in the universe that is not natural or supernatural.
And if there would be something, than we can't understand what it is.
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
-3 points
Kaira(54) Disputed
3 points
I don't understand this argument. Are you saying that because Jesus has been purported to have performed miracles, he is only a preacher and not supernatural? Aren't miracles supernatural?
Side: Yes, he is God.
3 points
Yes, Jesus is the human form of God who came down from Heaven to absolve us of our sins and provide us a means to enter in to Heaven to be with him. However, in order to enter in to Heaven you must believe in Jesus, because Jesus tells us in the Bible that "no one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6)".
Side: Yes, he is God.
niladmirari(30) Disputed
3 points
This is a very difficult subject to debate properly. Any other subject, let's say some medical science related topic, would require consulting more than one source for your information. If you think about it, would you take a prescription drug that only one book said was good? Or would you need many different sources (journals, studies, etc)? Now think about the airbag in your car. Would you rely on it without knowing that many, many different tests, studies and experiments were done to prove its efficacy? Or the car seat for your children? Or, or, or...
Your statement says, in more words, that jesus is god, the bible tells me so, the bible is the word of god, so it must be true. If you are going to take the bible literally, why don't you have a whole bunch of wives? Maybe sacrifice some animals, too? I think that the bible is worth more as a piece of literature than as a book for leading people in their beliefs. So, to answer the original question, he was just a preacher, fictional or otherwise.
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
question(12) Disputed
2 points

How can you use a storybook as your proof? Why that one, and not the stories by the brothers Grimm, or the texts of the latter day saints?

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
jessald(1915) Disputed
1 point
The Bible is not a reliable source of evidence.
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
2 points

Yes, and it's even more unreliable to prove something with the same source that the thing was from.

E.g. I know pigs can fly because it said so in the book that described a pig flying!

Supporting Evidence: It's the circular reasoning fallacy. (ksuweb.kennesaw.edu)
Side: Yes, he is God.
3 points
Jesus's birth was predicted many years before he was born, including the fact that he was to be born of a Virgin and in Bethlehem. That's definitely SUPER! And so many people loved him that today the calender revolves around him ( and around no one else). He alone died for the love of us. That was NATURAL for some one so SUPER... Altogether Jesus Christ is the SON OF GOD( the part of God that came to earth in person) and HE is our SAVIOR... Can you see that that is truly SUPERNATURAL? Today, that kind of love is still Super Good News ....NATURALLY !! Who needs Superman when we have a personal, loving SUPERNATURAL GOD, in the Father, the Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit ??? In HIM we have all we need for a true happily ever after !!
Side: Yes, he is God.
question(12) Disputed
0 points

Actually, the bible was written to match the old prophesies, and the only proof that he was born in Bethlehem of a virgin is the current version of the bible, so not much of a proof. There are versions that were discarded that said that he was born in Jerusalem. And doesn't it seem weird to you that you would have to go to your ancestor's town to be counted? That's just a crazy story put in to match the prophesies. Everything else you say is unsubstantiated.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
3 points

Yes, he is most certainly God. Are all the magic acts mentioned in the Bible necessarily true? Probably not, most of that seems to have been added much later, as Christianity separated from Judaism. But clearly the people who met him, especially in Mark, the first of the Gospels to be written, certainly those people felt he was in fact the son of God. But I'll take many of the stories in the later Gospels with a grain of salt, though they undoubtedly contain much truth not necessarily in the details. See John Spong, Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, among his many other works.

Side: Yes, he is God.
2 points

You do not have top be the son of god to perform "mericals"

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

no he was a super-Hero

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

A very interesting topic. One must ask 'who did Jesus claim to be?' The mere fact that He claim to be God was the one fact that that had Him crucified. So you must ask yourself these questions. 1. Jesus was evil? Was He totally evil with ulterior motive. This would be difficult to comprehend with all the good and healing He did. 2. He was deluded? Like calling himself the 'Queen of England' or 'God' when he clearly wasn't. And the last question 3. He was who he claimed to be? He claim to be God and not once did He deny it.

Three hundred prophecies came true in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Statistically this is equivalent to covering the earth in two inch tiles and coloring only six

of them red. And in your lifetime being only allowed to uncover six and in only covering the six red ones.

No one person has changed the courses history like Jesus. He split time (BC / AD) and intervened into human history and He claimed to be God.

In the words of Dr S.M Lockridge ....Do you know Him?

"He's incomprehensible.

He's invincible.

He's irresistible.

I'm coming to tell you, the heavens of heavens cannot contain Him, let alone a man explaining Him."

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

Who could NOT believe in Jesus? Whom did the people follow back in the time? Noone? The existance of the christian community is proof enough that Jesus existed.

Now there is only to debate if his miracles were true or not.

Assume that he never did any miracles, why did the people follow him? If he was nothing but a lier, why did so many people DIE for Jesus? All apostles died for their belief. Shouldn't at least they know if Jesus lied or not? Or was Jesus that of a good actor that he could fool all the people following him this many years? And if so why would he, if accused to death not take the chance to deny all he did, when he was given the chance. He just needed to say "I am not the son of god" and he could have lived happily after. But he did not. Nor did anyone who once followed him ever believe that he would be a liar.

It just makes no sense that if Jesus existed and that 2000 years after his death millions of people follow his teachings if he was a liar beforehand.

Many of you people might know Tolkien. Perhaps fewer might knew Lewis. But what many people do not know is that Tolkien converted Lewis, who was atheist to christianity. I can't find their conversation, but if anyone can please post it.

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

I'm not even trying to argue, I'm just going to explain why i think Jesus was supernatural and by all means pick me apart if you want. I'm open to be proven wrong i just can't understand how Jesus could of possibly convinced people he was more that human without doing things that were superhuman to prove it to the crowd. I don't even know if he was God but historically speaking there is more proof of him being supernatural than any other person in history that's my opinion. You have to consider how the public reacts to a historical person and then figure out what that person did to create such an image. Ok here is a fact, in all the written material about Jesus within the first few centuries after he was alive, you never uncover a non-supernatural Jesus. Now that doesn't prove that it's true that he was supernatural, but it makes you ask yourself the question - what on Earth did this guy do to make so many people believe that about him? Ok that is strange to me that some peasant can build this image about himself and i'm left with the puzzle of what he did to have people think that about him? To me it seems like a cop out to just say, "Oh the apostles wrote it down and everyone ate it up." Come on now, go out and write a book about how Ronald Reagan performed a bunch of miracles 30 years ago (that he never performed) and see how many people eat that up, the memories of 30 years ago are way too fresh to alter (and that is true even if you took video cameras away).

As far as I can see it Jesus falls flat on his face unless he can perform miracles. I mean look at the patterns of history, Jesus broke every rule when it comes to brainwashing the masses and starting a fake religion. Prophet rule 101; Keep everything ambiguous, don't EVER point to yourself or your actions as the source of power in your religion, or point to yourself as the gateway to the afterlife, don't ever claim to be one in the same with God almighty unless you can prove you are superhuman. It's very simple human nature, if you make claims of deity people will screem "Prove It", but if you keep it ambiguous and claim to just be a mortal messenger for God (A God who lives up in the sky and can't be seen)...well then you can twist words all you want and fool everyone. You can tell people all day long that "God wispered this or that into my ear..." That's how it works!

You don't claim to be God in the flesh because people will call you on that. So what i can't resolve for myself is how Jesus built this belief that he was this superhuman man with mere words (and without actions to prove his ridiculous claims). Even the smoothest talker in the world can't be foolish enough to start saying things Jesus said and expect to be believed, you have to be realistic in what you can successfully lie about. Twice in the Koran Mohammed backed off when he was asked to perform a sign of his deity, he said i'm merely a prophet, i'm merely a man." THe great 'Allah' who lives up in the sky is God (he said). Mohammed was brilliant and he knew he had to skirt this challange. How the hell does Jesus get away with taking these challanges head on? Jesus convinced a boat load of people that he was God incarnate, how the hell do u do that without miracles at your back?

He was followed around constantly by the Jewish pharasee and all they did was try to discredit him and prove him wrong. How hard is it to discredit some fool claiming he's God in the flesh? People in here are saying "Oh people were so guilible back then, etc." People have been guilable all throughout history but you still don't hear about religious leaders in in the past that convinced the masses that they are superhuman. Mohammed knew he couldn't get away with that, he knew that it didn't make a difference that it was the year 600 and people were 'idiots.' These idiots would ask for proof to outragious claims of personal deity. What you always get are religious prophets claiming to be 'human messengers' of the great unseeable God up in the sky. The apostles can't succeed in creating a religion by pointing to a man that everybody knows, and calling him their messiah, annointed one, gateway to heaven, etc. That's too easy to prove wrong unless Jesus can back it up with miracles. Muhammad would never be so foolish because he knows people would call him on it. So he points to 'Allah' an intangible figure that nobody can put to the test. Come on now, who on this planet can go out into public in an environment of enemies and convince thousands that he is God in the flesh? You can't succeed like that. The only people who ever do succeed in convincing people they're God either do it secretly in a secluded cult like environment where they brainwash a few carefully selected people and seclude them from society (unlike Jesus who boldly took the public spotlight). Or a king, a Pharoh, a Ceasar, etc. In other words a large figure that can not be touched or challanged. Ceasar was God in a lot of people's eyes because they were just raised to believe that Ceasar was a God by definition (like people believe the sun is God, or a statue is God). Jesus fits none of these patterns, he was a peasant carpenter and his ACTIONS somehow had to convince thousands that he was God (and his actions somehow did just that, the question is what actions were they, i believe miracles are the only thing that makes the story fit and add up). And he by no means secretly brainwashed and secluded people into a private cult, he walked the busy streets and taught out in public with challengers everywhere.

At the very least he pulled something off that hasn't been pulled off by anyone else. My question is how does a nobody publically convince tons of people out in the open public that he is God without miracles? You can't do it, people will simply always say one thing no matter the time or place "Prove It!" Somehow this demand from the public to prove his deity was met to the satisfaction of thousands of people, but HOW? If Jesus couldn't perform miracles than he shot himself in the foot everytime he made an outragious claim that he couldn't back up. He should of had everyone laughing at him, or rolling their eyes at him, or arresting him, etc. Him succeeding is a strange mistery that doesn't add up according to the patterns of how religious leaders operate. Jesus and the apostles literally were fools when it came to starting a religion but they somehow broke all the rules and still succeeded. The only way i can understand how they were successful at pinning a lable of diety on Jesus is that Jesus was able to back up the claims, with miracles. It's the only explaination that makes the pieces of the story fit for me. And for these reasons I at the very least conclude that even if Jesus was not supernatural there is still more historical proof that he was than any other person in history. Because if he wasn't supernatural the story just does not fit together, too many things don't add up. But if he was supernatural then the story fits like a glove.

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

Yh Jesus is totally supernatural cos how can u walk on water n not b..let alone all the other things..there is nothing impossible for God and we can ask him for anything..cos he said so and if we believe he has answered that prayer it will b done on heaven as we have believed..

Side: Yes, he is God.
1 point

Yes, he was legit. Son of God. You don't get more supernatural than that!

Side: Yes, he is God.
0 points

Jesus is definitely God. The attached website will answer many of your questions.

Supporting Evidence: http://www.alwaysbeready.com/ (www.alwaysbeready.com)
Side: Yes, he is God.
0 points

Born of a Virgin is supernatural.

Side: Yes, he is God.
-1 points
Faith tells us he is God. Supernatural is the wrong term. God is nature, God is everything. Jesus is God.
Side: Yes, he is God.
question(12) Disputed
1 point

YOUR faith tells you he is god. Since you accept faith, you do not need a reason, which is probably why you've provided no logical argument to back your claim.

Side: No, he was just a preacher.
Kaira(54) Disputed
0 points
What exactly does your personal faith count for in the context of a debate? If, say, a Buddhist believes that Jesus never existed, doesn't this counter your argument? Or, if there is logical proof against the existence of Jesus or God, is your faith repudiated? Or is faith above the influence of reason?
Side: No, he was just a preacher.
chg9389(111) Disputed
1 point

Kaira, I'm not opposed to the idea that God has revealed himself to the entirety of Man throughout time. I only know what I have experienced in my own life. That in no way precludes the experience of God in your life via Buddhism or any other religion. I think we're all experiencing the same God, but like people standing around a mountain range and seeing the same thing differently because of perspective, we too frequently proclaim all other views wrong because it simply does not match our own. As to faith, I can only say what has been said long before: To those who believe, no words are necessary; to those who disbelieve, no words are possible.

Side: Yes, he is God.
-2 points