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Yes she was It's absolutely absurd
Debate Score:53
Arguments:59
Total Votes:56
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Was Mary forever virgin?

As a christian, i believe the bible story is not a myth.
And atheists should assume so.(no deviation or banned)
I personally find it absurd that the catholics still say mary was a virgin AFTER the birth of christ.
I always hated it when i was forcefully made to call mary a virgin in catholic prayers, and even the part which pisses me off is when i had to say "HOLY MARY, MOTHER OF GOD, PRAY FOR US SINNERS, NOW AND AT THE HOUR............" back when i was in a catholic boarding school.
When in the first place, mary wasn't even part of the plan. It was for the sake of joseph, mary had that priviledge.
Why?
Because, the prophecy says jesus shall come from the line of david, and mary was not a descendant of david but joseph was.
But because joseph couldn't have given birth as a man, the priviledge moved to the woman he chose as a wife.
This means it could have been any woman even other than mary, as long as joseph had intents of making her his wife.

And about the virginity..

The bible says jesus had siblings, thus; of the same mother and father.
Those siblings of jesus did not come forth in the immaculate manner jesus did, this implies that, mary and joseph then did have sex after the birth of christ.
So i don't get it why these catholics insist on mary's virginity.
It is so absurd, illogical and irritating when you think about such nonsense being insisted no matter what.

http://pulse.com.gh/international/catholic-church-mary-had-sex-with-joseph-before-jesus-was-born-nun-id6170506.html

Yes she was

Side Score: 30
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It's absolutely absurd

Side Score: 23
3 points

Yes of course. Well she would have been had she said NO.

God;- Mary, have you ever had sexual relationships with men?

Mary;- Absolutely not, under no circumstances, categorically no, well apart from that one time with Joseph about nine months ago.

Side: Yes she was
2 points

I'm not religious... but I was taught that she had other sons afterwards.

The point I want to get at is, does it even matter? Who cares? If she existed she is long gone and we cant ask her now.

Side: It's absolutely absurd
1 point

You say ...... I personally find it absurd that the catholics still say mary was a virgin AFTER the birth of christ.....

Leaving you once again in the very embarrassing position of explaining why the birth of Jesus had to be a 'Virgin ' birth ?

What is it about a natural birth that so upsets Christians, you're after implying that Mary enjoyed sex AFTER the birth .

Why do you post up a long winded debate topic and threaten people with a ban if they they don't agree with your bullshit

๐Ÿ‘‰ ๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ’จ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ‘ˆ

Side: It's absolutely absurd
jeffreyone(1383) Clarified
1 point

I didn't say i will ban people who don't agree with me but people who deviate(which you almost did with the new argument you tried raising)

Now let me clear that up.

I don't know how thick your head can get but am almost used to it.

"Leaving you once again in the very embarrassing position of explaining why the birth of Jesus had to be a 'Virgin ' birth ?"

This topic has got nothing to do with jesus's virgin birth.

It only try to destroy the point that mary was still virgin AFTER jesus's birth though she had other kids after jesus's supernatural birth.

I keep on Capitalising 'After' but you are still too blind to see the point am trying to make with that.

I also expert cartman and megamind to come deviating, Just maybe, i will have pity on them, they just can't help it(always deviating)

Side: Yes she was
1 point

He's a drunken Irish former Catholic turned atheist...you're wasting your time with him.

He has nothing better to do than be a vulgar as he can be, thinking he is exonerated in death and has the right to exist outside of Hell.

Side: It's absolutely absurd
Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

So yet again one is to take from your inane rant that no argument is allowed ๐Ÿ™€

๐Ÿ˜‚ The supernatural birth of Jesus ... got ya ๐Ÿ‘Œ Mary made love to a ghost ๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿ‘ป๐Ÿ‘ป

You say ๐Ÿ‘‰ I don't know how thick your head can get but am almost used to it ๐Ÿ‘ˆ

๐Ÿค” Yes , but you see here is the problem we all cannot be a ' Ghanaian genius ' ๐Ÿ‘ฑ๐Ÿฟ๐ŸŽ“ your recent ' ground breaking work '

I hear has caused a sensation ๐Ÿ˜ณ In Ghana .

Congrats on the title ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ” On the origin of Hamburgers ๐Ÿ”

Which sets out the case ' beautifully ' that humans are worryingly ๐Ÿ˜ณ Evolving into ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿ™€ ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Also congrats again ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ on ' coming out ' on a public forum I was very emotional as I read the ' good news ' ๐Ÿ˜ช ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ i hope you and ๐Ÿ‘ฑ๐ŸฟAnd him ๐Ÿ‘ฎ are very happy together ๐Ÿ’ƒ๐Ÿ’ƒ๐Ÿ’ƒ

Did you tell the parents yet ๐Ÿ˜ณ

Side: Yes she was
1 point

............................ Mary was a virgin before the birth of Jesus

โ€œBehold the Lord Himself will give you a sign,

a Virgin shall conceive and bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel.โ€ .... Isaiah 7:14

............................ not a virgin after

And Joseph awoke from his sleep and did as the angel of the Lord commanded him ..

and took Mary as his wife .. but kept her a virgin until she gave birth to a son ..

and he called his name Jesus .... Matthew 1:24-25

Side: It's absolutely absurd
AlofRI(3294) Disputed
1 point

BEHOLD! The lord himself did not write the Bible. BEHOLD! It was written centuries after the alternative facts! BEHOLD! The Bible's PARTS were originally written in either ancient Hebrew or Aramaic, on stone, Papyrus, etc. sometimes only fragments of which survived. This was interpreted and written several times BY HAND (many people don't write legibly), then translated into ancient Greek and copied several times by hand (legibly?), then again translated into Latin and copied by hand (hopefully legibly), several times and then "translated" (again), into Elizabethan English and printed! (With opportunities for error and confusion at every single stage!) Now it reads like a bad acid trip, and I suspect it always did!

How anyone can believe it word for word after all that I cannot imagine.

If only the original author would show up and (hopefully S/HE/IT can speak English) and un-confuse this confusion, I'll consider the facts (not the alternate facts we may have today)! Follow that author? Not unless s/he/it can justify s/he/it's cruelty I see every day ... sorry, I'd rather be punished for my humane feelings. Hmmmmm, there MUST be a "humane religion" someplace! This one is soooo unlike ... what is he called? ... Jesus.

Side: Yes she was
AlofRI(3294) Disputed
1 point

BEHOLD! The lord himself did not write the Bible. BEHOLD! It was written centuries after the alternative facts! BEHOLD! The Bible's PARTS were originally written in either ancient Hebrew or Aramaic, on stone, Papyrus, etc. sometimes only fragments of which survived. This was interpreted and written several times BY HAND (many people don't write legibly), then translated into ancient Greek and copied several times by hand (legibly?), then again translated into Latin and copied by hand (hopefully legibly), several times and then "translated" (again), into Elizabethan English and printed! (With opportunities for error and confusion at every single stage!) Now it reads like a bad acid trip, and I suspect it always did!

How anyone can believe it word for word after all that I cannot imagine.

If only the original author would show up and (hopefully S/HE/IT can speak English) and un-confuse this confusion, I'll consider the facts (not the alternate facts we may have today)! Follow that author? Not unless s/he/it can justify s/he/it's cruelty I see every day ... sorry, I'd rather be punished for my humane feelings. Hmmmmm, there MUST be a "humane religion" someplace! This one is soooo unlike ... what is he called? ... Jesus.

Side: Yes she was
jeffreyone(1383) Disputed
1 point

Anytime you get the opportunity to talk, you spit baseless bullshit.......and it is evident you have no clue

Side: It's absolutely absurd
1 point

Mary was a sinner, that's why she had to go up to the temple to make a sin offering

Side: It's absolutely absurd
1 point

Boi how did she have sons??? I mean man dude seriously???

Side: It's absolutely absurd
jeffreyone(1383) Clarified
1 point

Mark 6:3 โ–บ

Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren't his sisters here with us?" And they took offense at him.

Matthew 13:55 โ–บ

Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brothers, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas

56Aren't all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"

Side: Yes she was